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That's exactly what I did as well, I knew that there where scenes that I wouldn't have liked and I simply avoided them.I mean I can't stand to see the characters suffer either, but I'm not going to complain that it's there if I can easily avoid it. I don't even want to see that scene. Even when someone showed the picture of Penny crying in this thread I quickly closed it because I hate it, and I know for a fact that I will never play this scene myself. Thing is I kinda enjoy knowing there's a bad path I can avoid / have avoided. It's relieving to me, like I can enjoy the good path more. I don't even need to know the details of said bad path, just that the path I took is better and that the bad one is entirely and easily avoidable.
I guess making Lauren a slave was indeed a bit much though that's true, having the MC die probably would have been enough... I mean since that's a game over and stuff.
See ? Isn't it just better to enjoy the good path patting you on the head and smothering you in her chest when you know there's a bad path out there that can't reach you as long as you stay safe in the good path's arms ?
Anywho, I got it. Thanks for the explanations.
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Sadly not everyone is the same and many are vocals about, let's call them issues, regardless of the fact that they were warned and decided to see them anyway, it's their fault in my opinion, not the dev.
I mean when it's abundantly clear that a choice will lead to a bad scene or end, deciding to see it and then complaining the fault is completely on the player, imho.
I'm not against bad ends, they are necessary in a story that want to be as complete as possible or it would be like a fairy tale, but it's up to the (presumed) common sense of the player to avoid it.
You said with different words the same thing I said, I agree with you I didn't complain about the bad ends ( or the Lauren one in particular) I just reported what I read about it.But you can avoid it. Some of the optimal choices in both Eternum and Once in a Lifetime make no sense at all which is my biggest nitpick in Caribdis's games. However that is not the case here. it is very obvious that selling lauren to a yakuza boss is a bad choice. Unless you are not reading the story, I dont know how anyone can think selling her is a good idea.
I like the addition of bad choices and the consequences that follow those choices because it adds some weight to the decision making. Maybe showing the rape scene may have been unnecessary and it could just have been a written description however I am not sure that would have carried the same narrative impact.
I dont want Caribdis to waste development time on a bunch of scenes most players will dislike and will never see but I dont mind the addition of the occasional bad ending here and there. I prefer bad endings that fit into the story such as the lauren rape scene and the penny/dalia breakup scenes far more than scenes where the MC is a horndog - for example I disliked the MC being a creep and peeping on Dalia in the shower and the scene where the MC goes after Eva immediately after Annie gives him her life savings (I liked the Eva scene itself because of the conversation we had with her but the part leading up to it and the MC's attitude towards the whole thing and how willing he was to throw away Annie's gift on a prostitute made him come off as a real piece of shit for me. I think that was the only instant where I disliked the MC).
As I said when it's clear that there's a possible bad ends I avoid it, but at the same time I know it's necessary for it to be present if I want a better story, and especially a story that reward me when I do the correct choices.
Uhm, regarding the scene where Orion looks like a creep, honestly to me they are a matter of sensibility and how you perceive them so I don't know I think it depend.
The scene with Dalia in the bathroom is on a grey area to me, I mean Orion was cleaning the bathroom and Dalia appeared all of a sudden, Cari could have played it differently like maybe with her already half dressed and leading to a similar ending but overall I didn't consider that so bad it was a cliché typical of porn, while the Eva one puzzled me too a little, not because it wasn't good but because it was too abruptly after Annie went to get the sword.
It could have been played better? Yes, but to consider Orion so negatively? No, I respectfully disagree with you.
It would have been bad if there was the choice to let Annie know about it, that would have been a bad end plain and square, but as was played it was the typical scene that you could find in a cyberpunk, my only complain is that it was just too sudden, at least that's my opinion.
P.S. About the Eva scene I still have the impression that it was instead a planned scene by Caribdis that will come back in the future, my opinion is that we will see Eva again and maybe deciding to have sex with her will make her a potential side LI, or an ally for Orion and the girls.
It's a gut feeling nothing more, but the fact that she said that Eternum has a way to make people connect again lead me to this thought.