VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.5 Public] [Caribdis]

[HardcoreCuddler]

I'm really surprised at this point that people just don't look at the damn tags, because so far I've not seen ONE long-time F95 thread being tagged poorly. Not a single one.

It would be a different story if there was a tag and they asked if there's actually a decent amount of stuff that falls under that tag (because there are games tagged 'tentacles' with like 1 tentacle scene for ex) but asking if there's NTR at all is completely ignorant and lazy..

 

[T1NKYW1NKY]

I'm really surprised at this point that people just don't look at the damn tags, because so far I've not seen ONE long-time F95 thread being tagged poorly. Not a single one.

It would be a different story if there was a tag and they asked if there's actually a decent amount of stuff that falls under that tag (because there are games tagged 'tentacles' with like 1 tentacle scene for ex) but asking if there's NTR at all is completely ignorant and lazy..

Either that or they're intentionally instigating a fight within the threads. Wouldn't be surprised if it was though.

 

[ArDZer]

I'm really surprised at this point that people just don't look at the damn tags, because so far I've not seen ONE long-time F95 thread being tagged poorly. Not a single one.

It would be a different story if there was a tag and they asked if there's actually a decent amount of stuff that falls under that tag (because there are games tagged 'tentacles' with like 1 tentacle scene for ex) but asking if there's NTR at all is completely ignorant and lazy..

Even in some cases, when the question's been already answered as best as possible by other users, some other people just keep asking the same question ad nauseam. They either don't check the tags or don't bother in using the search bar at minimum.

 

[Walter Victor]

Here's a problem with just relying on the tags: if one uses the strict tag rule for NTR (Designed to cause jealousy by having the romantic interest involved with someone other than the MC.), developers have been known to skirt this rule as closely as possible to avoid the tag; many players have their own rule for NTR, which may or may not resemble F95's tag rule - a lot say if they don't like it, it's NTR.

But that also makes it difficult to answer such requests, other than for this game, it's HELL NO, THERE IS NO NTR!!!

 

[BiggestDickest]

Pretty sure a lot of folks made that point loud and clear to Cari after that incident with Lauren and a certain "bad end" back in OIAL...

What happens in that bad ending?

 

[Dorfnutter]

What happens in that bad ending?

IIRC if you chose to sell Lauren to the Yakuza it closes her route and MC gets killed sometime after.

 

[BiggestDickest]

IIRC if you chose to sell Lauren to the Yakuza it closes her route and MC gets killed sometime after.

Oh that one.

 

[PervyParadox]

Pretty sure a lot of folks made that point loud and clear to Cari after that incident with Lauren and a certain "bad end" back in OIAL...

Yeah I can understand, I never played that scene ( I really couldn't force myself to do it) but I read the reactions were really strong in that regard.

IIRC if you chose to sell Lauren to the Yakuza it closes her route and MC gets killed sometime after.

Okay I'm kinda confused there. I don't understand what point folks were making ? It looks like it's Caribdis who made the point loud and clear by punishing netorare/sharing with death (a well deserved one may I add). People who don't like sharing and/or netorare should have been good with that, right ? Or am I the weird one ?

Unless by "making a point" you mean they just all yelled how happy they were. Otherwise I don't get it.

 

[BiggestDickest]

Okay I'm kinda confused there. I don't understand what point folks were making ? It looks like it's Caribdis who made the point loud and clear by punishing netorare/sharing with death (a well deserved one may I add). People who don't like sharing and/or netorare should have been good with that, right ? Or am I the weird one ?

Unless by "making a point" you mean they just all yelled how happy they were. Otherwise I don't get it.

Well in that continuity, Lauren would be a sex slave even after the MC died, if I understand it right.

 

[PervyParadox]

Well in that continuity, Lauren would be a sex slave even after the MC died, if I understand it right.

Wow okay well that's horrible and I'm glad I've never played it either. But it's still doesn't make sense to me. The only people who could make a point here are people who'd enjoy sharing. You share, you get punished. You don't share, you're all good. All we have to do to avoid pain is to make the right choice (much like the Regina scene in Eternum even though it's less extreme). Were they just mad that the scene exists at all ?

Unless again people were just throwing a party to celebrate the fact that Cari does not condone sharing or netorare in his games, since it's literally punishable by death. I would have been to that party.

 

[Phase_01]

Wow okay well that's horrible and I'm glad I've never played it either. But it's still doesn't make sense to me. The only people who could make a point here are people who'd enjoy sharing. You share, you get punished. You don't share, you're all good. All we have to do to avoid pain is to make the right choice (much like the Regina scene in Eternum even though it's less extreme). Were they just mad that the scene exists at all ?

Unless again people were just throwing a party to celebrate the fact that Cari does not condone sharing or netorare in his games, since it's literally punishable by death. I would have been to that party.

Apologies if I'm not understanding your statements, but yes, some ppl cannot even accept that a game could contain certain content that they don't specifically like, even if its very easily avoidable, or hell even has a "turn off all x content" option at the very start of the game.

And yea I think ppl are just glad Caribdis isn't including any scenes like that this time around. I know I was spooked by that scene in OIALT lol, I'm someone who scum saves to see all endings and options cuz I wanna see all the content the dev worked on, and man bad endings always make me revert back to my main playthrough so fast lol

 

[TangerineTango]

Currently playing the game but is Luna using Triss Merigold's outfit or is my mind just misrembering things?

 

[Dylan741]

Okay I'm kinda confused there. I don't understand what point folks were making ? It looks like it's Caribdis who made the point loud and clear by punishing netorare/sharing with death (a well deserved one may I add). People who don't like sharing and/or netorare should have been good with that, right ? Or am I the weird one ?

Unless by "making a point" you mean they just all yelled how happy they were. Otherwise I don't get it.

Complaints about that choice, because a lot of people felt it was unnecessary and too cruel toward Lauren, of course the majority expressed their concern in a civil way, but I read there were some harsh words about that.
In a story that was pretty much positive ( despite some very serious points) like OIAL putting a scene like that was seen as a low blow, and I'm honest here, I was glad to know what to do beforehand and avoided that, because I don't like that type of event, even if they are meant as bad ends only.
I just don't like them at all, I already had some issues with the few darker games I play, I don't want to even hear something like that for games like OIAL, or Eternum.
Call me a softie but I really can't stand to see the characters suffer when I can avoid it, I leave certain types of games to those who find these themes interesting, when I play I want to only relax and play a great story with a " and they lived happily forever" ending if possible and nothing else.
I mean there's already the reality to make me depressed, I don't want to see that in my fantasy as well, thanks but no thanks.
Anyway I hope I clarified my point of view about the discussion, and why I don't like to see certain themes or endings in the games I play.

 

[ArDZer]

Currently playing the game but is Luna using Triss Merigold's outfit or is my mind just misrembering things?

I believe you're referring to Luna's outfit in the Red Herring server (it does look similar albeit a different colour iirc). There's also a trio of the Witcher themed wallpapers released sometime ago. These are the links if you wish to take a look at them.

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(Nancy with Triss Merigold's outfit)

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(Alex with Ciri's outfit)

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(Luna with Yennefer of Vengerberg's outfit)

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

I believe you're referring to Luna's outfit in the Red Herring server (it does look similar albeit a different colour iirc). There's also a trio of the Witcher themed wallpapers released sometime ago. These are the links if you wish to take a look at them.

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(Nancy with Triss Merigold's outfit)

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(Alex with Ciri's outfit)

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(Luna with Yennefer of Vengerberg's outfit)

 

[PervyParadox]

Complaints about that choice, because a lot of people felt it was unnecessary and too cruel toward Lauren, of course the majority expressed their concern in a civil way, but I read there were some harsh words about that.
In a story that was pretty much positive ( despite some very serious points) like OIAL putting a scene like that was seen as a low blow, and I'm honest here, I was glad to know what to do beforehand and avoided that, because I don't like that type of event, even if they are meant as bad ends only.
I just don't like them at all, I already had some issues with the few darker games I play, I don't want to even hear something like that for games like OIAL, or Eternum.
Call me a softie but I really can't stand to see the characters suffer when I can avoid it, I leave certain types of games to those who find these themes interesting, when I play I want to only relax and play a great story with a " and they lived happily forever" ending if possible and nothing else.
I mean there's already the reality to make me depressed, I don't want to see that in my fantasy as well, thanks but no thanks.
Anyway I hope I clarified my point of view about the discussion, and why I don't like to see certain themes or endings in the games I play.

I mean I can't stand to see the characters suffer either, but I'm not going to complain that it's there if I can easily avoid it. I don't even want to see that scene. Even when someone showed the picture of Penny crying in this thread I quickly closed it because I hate it, and I know for a fact that I will never play this scene myself. Thing is I kinda enjoy knowing there's a bad path I can avoid / have avoided. It's relieving to me, like I can enjoy the good path more. I don't even need to know the details of said bad path, just that the path I took is better and that the bad one is entirely and easily avoidable.

I guess making Lauren a slave was indeed a bit much though that's true, having the MC die probably would have been enough... I mean since that's a game over and stuff.

some ppl cannot even accept that a game could contain certain content that they don't specifically like, even if its very easily avoidable, or hell even has a "turn off all x content" option at the very start of the game.

And yea I think ppl are just glad Caribdis isn't including any scenes like that this time around. I know I was spooked by that scene in OIALT lol, I'm someone who scum saves to see all endings and options cuz I wanna see all the content the dev worked on, and man bad endings always make me revert back to my main playthrough so fast lol

See ? Isn't it just better to enjoy the good path patting you on the head and smothering you in her chest when you know there's a bad path out there that can't reach you as long as you stay safe in the good path's arms ?

Anywho, I got it. Thanks for the explanations.

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[Takkatakka]

IIRC if you chose to sell Lauren to the Yakuza it closes her route and MC gets killed sometime after.

And deservedly so...

 

[Elhemeer]

That's why the tags exist for.

And that's why that question is on my list now ...

 

[Elhemeer]

IIRC if you chose to sell Lauren to the Yakuza it closes her route and MC gets killed sometime after.

I like the idea that someone might be surprised by this outcome ...

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

Complaints about that choice, because a lot of people felt it was unnecessary and too cruel toward Lauren, of course the majority expressed their concern in a civil way, but I read there were some harsh words about that.
In a story that was pretty much positive ( despite some very serious points) like OIAL putting a scene like that was seen as a low blow, and I'm honest here, I was glad to know what to do beforehand and avoided that, because I don't like that type of event, even if they are meant as bad ends only.
I just don't like them at all, I already had some issues with the few darker games I play, I don't want to even hear something like that for games like OIAL, or Eternum.
Call me a softie but I really can't stand to see the characters suffer when I can avoid it, I leave certain types of games to those who find these themes interesting, when I play I want to only relax and play a great story with a " and they lived happily forever" ending if possible and nothing else.
I mean there's already the reality to make me depressed, I don't want to see that in my fantasy as well, thanks but no thanks.
Anyway I hope I clarified my point of view about the discussion, and why I don't like to see certain themes or endings in the games I play.

But you can avoid it. Some of the optimal choices in both Eternum and Once in a Lifetime make no sense at all which is my biggest nitpick in Caribdis's games. However that is not the case here. it is very obvious that selling lauren to a yakuza boss is a bad choice. Unless you are not reading the story, I dont know how anyone can think selling her is a good idea.

I like the addition of bad choices and the consequences that follow those choices because it adds some weight to the decision making. Maybe showing the rape scene may have been unnecessary and it could just have been a written description however I am not sure that would have carried the same narrative impact.

I dont want Caribdis to waste development time on a bunch of scenes most players will dislike and will never see but I dont mind the addition of the occasional bad ending here and there. I prefer bad endings that fit into the story such as the lauren rape scene and the penny/dalia breakup scenes far more than scenes where the MC is a horndog - for example I disliked the MC being a creep and peeping on Dalia in the shower and the scene where the MC goes after Eva immediately after Annie gives him her life savings (I loved the Eva scene itself because of the conversation we had with her but I disliked the part leading up to it and the MC's attitude towards the whole thing).