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You basically nuked the women I'm most interested in from a looks perspective though which sads me.Hey, he asked. Better that than fully dropping any of them, IMO.
At least Luna is unscathed.
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At least Luna is unscathed.
Human centipedes seem a little too dark for Eternum though...
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Please don't give him idea for another edit(or to anyone else for that matter), I still have "Brock" in mind
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:face vomiting : add that to the already listed reaction.
*edited cause the emoji didn't seem to work
guess this one works
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My brain's reaction upon reading this:Please don't give him idea for another edit(or to anyone else for that matter), I still have "Brock" in mind
(Also
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started playing in my head the moment I saw that post lol. Guess that's going to be my internal theme song when my brain thinks of a way on how to make that cursed edit work)
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Oh Shit... Were going back to cursed edits
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We need a distraction...
Dorfnutter...
Look at Annie, so cute...
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/sees Annie's face edited on PaimonOh Shit... Were going back to cursed edits
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We need a distraction...
Dorfnutter...
Look at Annie, so cute...
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/recalls that one of Paimon's running gags is that
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(Reaaally milking that "Annie is gonna get eaten" schtick for all its worth, huh?)
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BLASPHEMY..if you heathens ever dare to think our cute little pookie bear Annie is useless then i swear your souls will burn in hell for the rest of eternity..
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Keeping the number of LIs reasonably low is not that difficult. The story should dictate how many central characters there are, but the writer can make choices about whether they all need to be LIs. For Eternum, I view all of them as necessary for the story. I disagree that merging Annie and Nova (or any combination) makes sense: they are very different and both have a place in the story. Adding their characters together would inevitably lose some of their individual charm. And we must remember that each brings their own skills to the quest. If any of you have played roleplaying games, you know that it's generally not possible, if only because of the time it would require, to play a character who has multiple cross-discipline skills. If you want to be a great mage, you don't have time to also expand your skill with weapons. The same is true of Eternum.
But I could see some not being LIs. I may ruffle feathers with this, but Calypso could be dropped as an LI while remaining an important character. Nancy as well (much as I love her). Keep the focus on the central group of friends as members of the harem.
I'm not saying this is what Caribdis should have done. Only that it would have worked. You'd have more than enough LIs remaining and not affect the overall story in any way.
But I think that the present number is handled well (and I believe the consequences of having so many were taken into account in initial planning). While some may be "benched" for an update while others take focus, the wider view shows none of them are being completely left out. The ones who are taking longer have valid character reasons. Unlike many other AVNs which would artificially extend the timeline for some characters even though everything in the story is screaming "they should be fucking already!" because the devs view those characters as a hook to keep people interested, and perhaps as end game (I've seen a number of people claiming in other games where one character is sidelined, sexually, for a long time, that once you get that final character to a full sex scene the game must necessarily end because where could it go from there, which shows a significant lack of imagination).
But I could see some not being LIs. I may ruffle feathers with this, but Calypso could be dropped as an LI while remaining an important character. Nancy as well (much as I love her). Keep the focus on the central group of friends as members of the harem.
I'm not saying this is what Caribdis should have done. Only that it would have worked. You'd have more than enough LIs remaining and not affect the overall story in any way.
But I think that the present number is handled well (and I believe the consequences of having so many were taken into account in initial planning). While some may be "benched" for an update while others take focus, the wider view shows none of them are being completely left out. The ones who are taking longer have valid character reasons. Unlike many other AVNs which would artificially extend the timeline for some characters even though everything in the story is screaming "they should be fucking already!" because the devs view those characters as a hook to keep people interested, and perhaps as end game (I've seen a number of people claiming in other games where one character is sidelined, sexually, for a long time, that once you get that final character to a full sex scene the game must necessarily end because where could it go from there, which shows a significant lack of imagination).
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BLASPHEMY..if you heathens ever dare to think our cute little pookie bear Annie is useless then i swear your souls will burn in hell for the rest of eternity..
A mother of six can have the opinion "having three kids is probably what I recommend for the next generation" without her having to choose which three kids she'd kill. You can argue that 7.5 LI's are too many without saying which should be gotten rid of. Or you could say you'd get rid of all existing LI's and start with a new cast, which is what happened between OIALT and Eternum and it will likely happen between Eternum and the next project.
I'd say that maybe five LI's is optimal, but demanding to know who I would remove is a low-IQ response. Removing someone beloved from existence is very different from not creating someone in the first place.
I'd say that maybe five LI's is optimal, but demanding to know who I would remove is a low-IQ response. Removing someone beloved from existence is very different from not creating someone in the first place.
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Motherfuckers talking about LIs like they are a pokémon team in a battle.
The seven Goddesses and Calypso are the perfect number because they are the perfect girls, stop dropping them you bunch of blasphemous.
Jokes aside, I think Caribdis knows that 7 is a high number, but manageable, that's why Calypso is not an official LI, because this means more time for Calypso and with the others 7 will be really difficult to do, but until now he makes an amazing job to make every girl shine and had her moment, even Annie.
(yeah, the useless meme is even in the game, but you can see in this post how many images of her we have like reactions, because she being useless is, jokes aside, part of her shining moments. And being honest, she is not useless, she presents Eternum to Orion, she is the key piece to steal the gem of doom, etc.)
Every one of the girls are important for the story and for Orion, and maybe in others VN the girls are disposable, but not here. That's why the harem works in Eternum, first because they are not just girls, they are THE girls, and even if you drops the romantic path with one of them they doesn't disappear from the story, because they are needed and important, and second because Orion is not a passive MC, is an active one, he really loves the girls, makes time to them and tries to be her friend first, and her lover later. He listen to Calypso talking about her past because he's interested in her as person, not as a sexy elf booty mommy. He holds hands with Luna because he is worried about her, and even with Nova, being she the most crazy girl in the game takes time to understand her and tell her "yo bitch, stop spying me, just talk to me you redhead gremlin" because he cares about her, first and foremost. So making the LIs in the game fewer will be worse for the game, just like making a car with 3 wheels or a plane with 1 wing, could work but is not the ideal. 7+1 girls is perfect.
The seven Goddesses and Calypso are the perfect number because they are the perfect girls, stop dropping them you bunch of blasphemous.
Jokes aside, I think Caribdis knows that 7 is a high number, but manageable, that's why Calypso is not an official LI, because this means more time for Calypso and with the others 7 will be really difficult to do, but until now he makes an amazing job to make every girl shine and had her moment, even Annie.
(yeah, the useless meme is even in the game, but you can see in this post how many images of her we have like reactions, because she being useless is, jokes aside, part of her shining moments. And being honest, she is not useless, she presents Eternum to Orion, she is the key piece to steal the gem of doom, etc.)
Every one of the girls are important for the story and for Orion, and maybe in others VN the girls are disposable, but not here. That's why the harem works in Eternum, first because they are not just girls, they are THE girls, and even if you drops the romantic path with one of them they doesn't disappear from the story, because they are needed and important, and second because Orion is not a passive MC, is an active one, he really loves the girls, makes time to them and tries to be her friend first, and her lover later. He listen to Calypso talking about her past because he's interested in her as person, not as a sexy elf booty mommy. He holds hands with Luna because he is worried about her, and even with Nova, being she the most crazy girl in the game takes time to understand her and tell her "yo bitch, stop spying me, just talk to me you redhead gremlin" because he cares about her, first and foremost. So making the LIs in the game fewer will be worse for the game, just like making a car with 3 wheels or a plane with 1 wing, could work but is not the ideal. 7+1 girls is perfect.
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I think that would be the most important thing. These aren't Avengers Movies and actually scaling them down somewhat could work better than going into the other direction and have like 10 LIs.
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Merging Annie and Nova would've basically made her into Shionne from Tales of Arise combat-wise (Gun-wielding Caster). Not to mention their personalities complement one another that it's possible to merge them with a just a few personality tweaks.
Nan, Dalia, and Penny already have similar facial features hence why I mentioned they could be merged along with their skillset. The only thing you'd lose is the MILF status because she'll be more like an Older Sister of sorts to Orion if you do the merge.
Edit: Also if you merge the three of them she basically becomes a Paladin (healer, charismatic army leader, martial fighter...yeah that sounds like a Paladin)
Also, funny you mention RPGs to justify having a larger harem because the optimal party in a DnD campaign is usually 4 to 5. 8 is usually JRPG tier and even then you have problems trying to juggle them from a narrative perspective, with some instances showing some not being developed like the others (i.e. Amarant, Quina, and Post-Cleyra Freya from FF9).
Look, the reason why I even made the comment about merging (or even trimming) isn't just about the "benching" issue. For all my criticisms about it, OIAL actually did one thing better compared to Eternum: and that was Lauren and Judie's constant presence and development throughout ALL of the entire story. Those 2 never got benched, and they always were with the MC in just about every step of his quest to take down the SoA. And that's something (likely the ONLY thing) that I miss from that game, and is why I was advocating for a smaller harem so that ALL of them get enough screentime per update.
Again, this is simply just my opinion on the matter. You can disagree, it's fine. And at the end of the day, this is Cari's work and this is how he wanted the story to be, so I respect him enough to not be anal about it and I sure as hell don't want him to course correct or anything. All I suggested was that maybe in the next game he would consider having a smaller cast so that all of them gets enough screen time and development per update, just like how Lauren and Judie did back in the early days.
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Because they were the clear main LIs in OiaL and others did get benched...a lot...I mean that teacher pretty much did absolutely nothing for the actual story, if I remember correctly.
In Eternum there are no real "main LIs" anymore and I think switching between the girls for every patch works pretty well so far. He clearly has to break the order up at some time, to not make it too formulaic but outside of that it works well for what Eternum wants to do.
It is pretty clear though, that 7.5 is about the maximum he should do and maybe going with 5 or 6 in a potential 3rd game (if it even will be a harem game again), could be beneficial for the story overall. That way you might not do a scene with every girl in every update, but it should be few enough to give them all some space and screentime in every update.
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I'd be surprised if it isn't (though I suppose there's always a first time in everything). Man knows his niche and he does it well (though there's always room for improvement), so chances of him doing it again is quite high. Still, as I said, there's always a first time...
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Don't take this as a personal attack but...Damn, Pitrik...
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Even a Genie can't do it, how it is possible for Caribdis do it.
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Cari read this....
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Personally, I think the story has too many as well and that the rotation of the girls is off.
Dorf is only suggesting that merging the personalities of the characters allows for them to be a unique NEW presence which makes sense that their new personalities would be something to make them interesting.
A Dommy Mommy Pixie Instamodel makes sense in that aspect. But in what we have now, the girls are unique but if you haven't noticed, Nova takes a GOOD chunk of screen time and either Penny or Dalia suffers and gets shoved a bit to the side in an update not focused on them. Right now, it's Luna.
And remember that this is more a VN than sandbox title. It's going for an overall story whereas other games are going for open sandbox. Sometimes, the author doesn't have an idea of how to put the plot together while they put the PLOT together if ya know what I mean.