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There could be a chance that Idriel, Praetorians, and also the Founder didn't know anything what's happening behind the Eternum (knowing that the Founder can be replaced by the person who collected all the Gems of Doom), Idriel mentioned that The Founder is just a man
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My theory is someone is manipulating Eternum from behind that Idriel didn't know, The Founder didn't know, The Praetorians...(maybe they know). There's also a small chance that knowing that Eternum is somehow connected to OIAL there is a chance that "inroth" are the one behind the killing and converting dead people to NPC (knowing that Astaroth's objective is to become a God) and they were also hinted that they are still a part of the game as being almost mentioned and ...
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- Sep 26, 2020
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Probability and randomness are weird. No matter how many times you flip a coin, the chance of heads is always 50%. So while the base probability of 6 heads in a row is, I believe, correctly stated as 1/64, if you've had 5 heads in a row the chances of the next flip being heads is still 50% – this is not affected by the preceding results.The sequence was always head. Where you distracted by our gracious lounge host?Understandable. She threw the coin several time. I counted more the 4, i believe it was 6 over all and she always got head. I took an interest because shots 3 or 4 is when you expect to have head at last 1 different outcome because the chance become very narrow. Let's say she took 6 shots. To have all heads is a probability of 1 on 64, rather narrow. The sense of the scene, i think, is that something is off with statistics at that moment. Rigged if you wish. But somehow adding Orion in the equation promotes the change that breaks the rule, somehow. If he makes the right choices.
Interestingly, the more times you flip, the higher the chance of a longer streak of the same result. I.e., the chance of a repeating sequence changes depending on how many times you perform the action (while the chance of any individual result of a single flip remains static at 50%.) If you flip 20 times, in about 45% of cases you will get a streak of four. This is based on the number of permutations of results: 45% of permutations of 20 contain a streak of four. To get a similar chance of 7 in a row (44%) you'd need to flip 150 times. This shows that the common assumptions we might make – such as the probability of a streak continuing being affected by how long it's been running, or that the chance of a repeating sequence of a given length is static – are not necessarily accurate.
(this has nothing much to do with the game, but I think it's fascinating)
Naturally, in a world which has people in control of certain aspects, it's possible that the result was being manipulated. But it could also just happen.
I think the founder didn't hide the gems of doom. He knew about dimensionsional travel, found out about the gems and build eternum in response.
The point of the game around the gems is that now he has millions of people searching the gems of doom for him and even paying for the privilege.
I don't think finding the gems of doom will actually he a good think and the founder trying to do whatever he is trying to do with them will be the final villain.
They are named 'Gems of DOOM', I think it's fairly obvious that they are not necessarily a good thing.
- Apr 18, 2021
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Lets see. About the Founder being "just a man"... well, clearly he doesnt look like it. The Praetorians are under his control as he said at the end of 0.4, and he has info that players have not (like the weapons you found, or the ones related to you). He looks inaccessible in the "real" world so MAYBE he is an AI or for some reason he cant be found (in our world).
So its hard to say he doesnt know whats happening behind Eternum. I can believe that Idriel doesnt know, because she didnt say anithing after your party hacked they way into Ogigia, or after you found Calypso or had a Gem of Doom (the first one). She knew about the second one for obvious reasons (someone "lost it" and at the same time she had to givo you an invitation to you). So, its hard to say how much she know or doesnt know but at least Ill give her the benefit of the doubt in some info.
About Calypso being "not ready", its hard to say. I think that if there are 3 weapons of Atlas, even if they are not ready its something you need to tell to players, even when in your plans you want to control the third one (Calypso) to give it to players or something. A possibility here is that they were trying to give it to Thanatos only, because how he entered Ogigia but couldnt leave? there is a chance that he isnt a hacker and he was able to enter becase Founder, Idriel, or Praetorinas allowed it, but after they were killed he was left there without a way to leave.
Another theory could be they wanted to convert Calypso to a weapon form so it would be "used" in the way they want without her causing problems at will (she knows too much maybe). Remember the Syndicate said she was the key to open the doors of Acheron. This is why I think the Immortals (lets say Founder and others) wanted access to that place but for some reason they cant open it, so, if Calypso is a key, and the gems another one, if Calypso is a weapon and they can cantrol de player that uses it and the one that has the gems maybe the will win what the want there and the player wins something in our wolrd? This makes some sense when you think about Thanatos always finding the gems wherever they are, and maybe why he is immortal too.
About "creating" Calypso, maybe Idriel meaning of that word is about converting here into some kind of weapon, like when you prepare someone for a specific destiny. Or maybe it was a lie, it isnt hard to belive the will lie to us hahaha.
About the newspaper, remember that it was a game event. So he found info about the event like the npc or the pictures or the phone call. Its like every game that lefts info for you to understand context, nothing more.
About the jokes and references to OiaL, well, its like easter eggs, funny hidden jokes or references about other games, like Alien, movies like Ocenas Twelve, or even Gladiator. Its nothing more than a reference or a joke, but Caribdis said that this is the same setting as OiaL but its not a secuel or something strickly related.
- May 21, 2017
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I wouldn't trust anything that's coming from that woman's mouth since the things that were revealed as of late has made it clear that she's lying by omission. She said you couldn't sleep with an NPC. Well, technically yes. But if you hack through an NPC's neural implant you could. She said excommunication is basically a permaban...and to be fair, it is. She also failed to mention that the reason that it's a permaban is because it fucking kills your physical body in the process and (possibly) turn your consciousness into that villager in a random town in a random server that no sane person would ever visit because its boring and only boring people go there. She said she created the Weapons of Atlas...and yet she couldn't disclose to Orion what Calypso is. And when you do find Calypso...well, guess what? She's a person with a past that's being guarded by Praetorians in a secret server who isn't supposed to be found yet and they're preventing you from getting her because...what, they weren't done getting her ready? Maybe not done with brainwashing her for player use? Huh, maybe Idriel should've fucking mentioned that...oh wait, she didn't.
/sigh
I said it before and I'll say it again: I don't think the SoA or Astaroth are involved in this story. They're being referenced, sure. But like the Darci and Moon cameos in OIAL, I don't think they're anything more than that. If anything, this just reinforces the fact that yes, this game takes place after OIAL. Yes, the Sons are fucked now that a lot of people know of their existence (as opposed to back in OIAL where they have the power and influence to keep themselves hidden in the shadows and stay that way). Furthermore, everything that is happening in Eternum's story doesn't sound like the SoA/Astaroth. I mean, sure, you could argue that they may have switched tactics. But like they say, "a tiger cannot change his stripes." And Astaroth wears his stripes with fucking pride (which is what lead to his defeat in the first place: all throughout OIAL he was too proud in thinking that the MC has no hopes of defeating him so he tries to corrupt him into joining his side until it was too late...but such is the nature of demons, I suppose).
Not to mention that the entire premise of the game is about trying to solve the mysteries surrounding the nature of Ulysses, Eternum, the excommunications, et cetera. Bringing back an old foe that we already know much about and that the current player character doesn't even have a connection with just feels like a big disconnect IMO. Better to have an antagonist that's tailored for Orion and for what the story is going for, IMO.
As for the theory that someone other than Ulysses is manipulating things from behind the scenes...current story trajectory doesn't seem to support it (though who knows? That may change in the future). Not to mention that we already have too many players in the board - from Orion's crew to the Syndicate to the Lady in Black to Ulysses/the Board of Directors to the Founder to Idriel to fucking Thanatos - that adding a hidden player would feel like an unnecessary complication at best.
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- Apr 18, 2021
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I dont know if Idriel is bad or just isnt allowed to talk (but trying). She said "This time... it will be the right one" insinuating something already, the also said maybe we are not doing the correct questions when we implied she wasnt useful at all. So, maybe Founder or her programmation doesnt allow her to say more? And what of the "dark Idriel"
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We dont really know but he said the game will be huge so maybe more than that.
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About this. There are gambling machines in Italy, and i guess pretty much everywhere, that you usually find in coffee bars or dedicated places. I don't know the english name of it, we just call them Video Poker. They are like slot machines, but entirely software and with a poker logic behind the combination.
Now... What a colossal moron one have to be to play to one of those traps? I mean, i'm sure they are all regular and in line with the law, and if they get rigged it's a serious fellony, but the point is: You don't need to rig them at all.
The reason why "the House always wins" in the casinos is not because there is a scam behind. It's just because how statistisc works. Again, i don't know the english name of it and i don't want to check, but in Italian it is called something like "Fair Games Theory", which simply states that for a game to be 'Fair' what you win should be what you bet multiplied for the reciprocate of the winning chance. Easy example: Are we flipping a coin? then you should win twice what you bet. But in casinò games you don't win that. You win 'a little bit less' and it's legal and how the system works.
So, basically, since the more you try the more the statistical result nears the perfect average, the more people play at the casino, the more the wins near the average, minus, the little bit less you don't get when you win. That little bit less is what makes casinos rich, on busy nights.
But still, as a single player you can have you lucky strike and win big. Because, as Quorkboy correctly pointed, the chance of each coin flip, isolated, is still 50%.
So, why video poker are 'traps'? Because a softwer can produce and very likely is made to produce exact sequences, not random sequence (or pseudo-random, being progams).
So a video poker don't have that rare lucky night where someone breaks the casino. And the more you play the more you can be confident that your overall balance, as a player, will be a loss.
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Still waiting for this part! ;D I also saw something about choice being a factor in the description for doing these things..... Is rape, torture, etc. still planned for the game?
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Could someone explain to me some inconsistencies with possible Orion's death, please? If he was killed in the lab (after looking into the egg) he should lose everything, including the gem (according to Idriel), but he appears at the fancy dinner, wearing a tuxedo. Moreover, in this case, he and Annie didn’t know each other fate in the space station, but they never discussed it…
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Regarding the possible deaths at the space station, it is highly likely that when a player dies, they only lose the items on their person and their levels. The Gem was probably stored elsewhere. At the station the MC probably only had the clothes he was wearing. There must be a kind of genral storage that each player has in the Nexus or something because some items don't even appear in some servers and when going to servers the items you last had when there are what appear on the player.
Idriel does say "If your character dies, you'll lose all your levels and whatever is in your inventory ....", so as long as he did not have it on him, he would be safe as in your inventory would imply what you have on your person. Didn't the fit girl (forgot her name) also try to give her items to MC when they first faced Thanatos so that she would not lose them? That would also indicate that.
- May 21, 2017
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Yeah after that clash with Thanatos I won't be surprised if he learned not to put important shite in his inventory and stored it elsewhere after the Heist. That, or the gem is a quest item that doesn't degrade from your inventory if you die (I dunno, I haven't tested and I don't want to DX).
Nope, the gem is rare item and you can lose it if you die and on your person. After all, if you kill someone with a gem, you should be able to get it.
- May 21, 2017
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No, what I meant is that it doesn't get wiped like the rest of your inventory if you die from a non-player or the environment or falling damage or whatever. It just either stays on your body or in the place of your death until someone picks it up.
We still don't know. There's still no evidence to suggest what they actually do, only that they're supposedly needed to open Acheron and whoever collects all ten becomes master of Eternum and Ulysses CEO (which at this point I think is a whole load of poppycock unless proven otherwise).
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