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This must be the most 'insane' :ROFLMAO: 'Conspiracy Theory' conversations piece/thread I have come across in this site. It is about a made-up augmented virtual reality mmorpg game inside an actual Ren'Py-based game. I bet in the future there will be also be other VR/computer games inside this made-up game, Eternum. It's kinda the Christopher Nolan Inception for game :ROFLMAO:.
 

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1. Ion is the server that Annie and Orion went to;...
2. The chick Annie was buying the blade from was an idiot then...
3. She had aliens to fight...
4. Orion had been carrying it (gem) with him...
5. If the casino owner dies in Eternum, would he really "start from scratch?"...
1. Sorry, I somehow mixed up Annie with Dalia, my bad. But it changes nothing, just replace Ion server with roman server.
2. I guess she had too many things, so she needed a place to store them, so it’s really simple.
3. Annie was locked in the canteen with no aliens (just one corpse). Moreover, I doubt that guests can use weapons on the space station (if it isn’t Hyas)
4. Nova teleported Orion to the Ogygia server from the common entrance (Idriel’s room), he even didn’t appear on Agora server, and somehow he had the Gem with him. Hmm... Ok, I can agree with it. But then Orion had the Gem with him also on the space station, why not?
5. I prefer to believe Idriel, and casino owner should start from scratch, there will be a new casino owner, a new bank owner, etc. And rebirth person (old casino/bank owner) will have nothing after his death, I suppose.
 

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Simple. If you have an item in your inventory it won't be stolen, unless you "died" or get attacked and taken when you are unconscious. And if you kept your items in a place like vaults, bank, and storages the only way you lost it is when you get "robbed" or it is "stolen". It is more likely a high risk high reward if you kept your items in your inventory. (Cause when you die you lost everything) or (Worst case scenario you start from scratch)
I believe in a game like Eternum pick pocketing would absolutely be an option, like grabbing away an item from another player regardless killing him/her. And we have already seen Thanatos grabbing a Gem of Doom from Orion while he was down but still alive and Maat grabbing Dione from a sleeping Nova.

Gamewise Eternum irl would be the triumph of ragequitting.

I believe in such a game game authorities would have to end up forbidding and punishing looting and stealing our of, maybe, designed battle zones where you enter and accept the terms.
 

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5. I prefer to believe Idriel, and casino owner should start from scratch, there will be a new casino owner, a new bank owner, etc. And rebirth person (old casino/bank owner) will have nothing after his death, I suppose.
My memory is a bit hazy on this, but didn't we see an example of how that could have happened in the Roman Server, when Nancy could have become Empress? The Rotunda and the Server are not going to disappear if the Emperor dies. Someone else would become Emperor. The doofus Emperor who dies would lose everything, though.
 

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I believe in a game like Eternum pick pocketing would absolutely be an option, like grabbing away an item from another player regardless killing him/her. And we have already seen Thanatos grabbing a Gem of Doom from Orion while he was down but still alive and Maat grabbing Dione from a sleeping Nova.

Gamewise Eternum irl would be the triumph of ragequitting.

I believe in such a game game authorities would have to end up forbidding and punishing looting and stealing our of, maybe, designed battle zones where you enter and accept the terms.
In the bank scene I thought they will pickpocket the VIP card, but they probably didnt because they dont have stealth-based characters (at least so far, I have my expectations on Chang). Well, they dont build characters because they dont have stats, but you get my point probably.

So if you can loot a place just by surpassing the security (like they did with the place where the Sword that Annie was going to give you was stolen) and you dont need to destroy the place to do it, then probably you dont need to kill/knock out a player to rob him either. You probably can paralyze someone and stole him. But Im not sure if you CAN stole anything, because if you have inventory that isnt allowed in a server, then maybe those items cannot be pickpocketed (but can be taken if you are dead) or some rules like that.

Something that disturbed me was that they didnt try to loot Praetorians, or at least the players that were killed in Ogigia, or MC going back to loot Jerry's items (I would really like that), or the twins items (I suspect Thanatos only took the gem, nothing more).
 

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This must be the most 'insane' :ROFLMAO: 'Conspiracy Theory' conversations piece/thread I have come across in this site. It is about a made-up augmented virtual reality mmorpg game inside an actual Ren'Py-based game. I bet in the future there will be also be other VR/computer games inside this made-up game, Eternum. It's kinda the Christopher Nolan Inception for game :ROFLMAO:.
There are already games in which you can pay another game, like your character playing an arcade game in the main game. But we can go deeper :PogChamp:

Something that disturbed me was that they didnt try to loot Praetorians, or at least the players that were killed in Ogigia, or MC going back to loot Jerry's items (I would really like that), or the twins items (I suspect Thanatos only took the gem, nothing more).
Yeah you would think they would loot more than they do
 

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If you're asking what happen if you die there are a bit of changes in dialogues in the game that says "He retrieved the gem from your dead body in the station":
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So does this mean you can interact with your own dead body? I dont want to be the one to say it but this would prob make the necrophilia and/or selfcest ppl go wild :HideThePain:
 

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So does this mean you can interact with your own dead body? I dont want to be the one to say it but this would prob make the necrophilia and/or selfcest ppl go wild :HideThePain:
I dont think you can be with yourself. Others can, but not yourself.
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So, one of the girls probably went back to the server and took your items.
 
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I dont think you can be with yourself. Others can, but not yourself.
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So, one of the girls probably went back to the server and took your items.
What happens to your dead body if you rush back to it? Or does it disappear when you log on? If it disappear, is it still lootable? Hmm so many questions :LOL:
 
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1. Sorry, I somehow mixed up Annie with Dalia, my bad. But it changes nothing, just replace Ion server with roman server.
2. I guess she had too many things, so she needed a place to store them, so it’s really simple.
3. Annie was locked in the canteen with no aliens (just one corpse). Moreover, I doubt that guests can use weapons on the space station (if it isn’t Hyas)
4. Nova teleported Orion to the Ogygia server from the common entrance (Idriel’s room), he even didn’t appear on Agora server, and somehow he had the Gem with him. Hmm... Ok, I can agree with it. But then Orion had the Gem with him also on the space station, why not?
5. I prefer to believe Idriel, and casino owner should start from scratch, there will be a new casino owner, a new bank owner, etc. And rebirth person (old casino/bank owner) will have nothing after his death, I suppose.
1. The Roman server is separate from the Medieval server. I’ve never had Orion take Dalia’s items and run when they first meet Thanatos. Does anyone know if she dies if you that? That would actually solve all of this. Because if she dies if you leave her, and then later in the Roman server still has her armor and weapons, then that would prove you have separated inventory on different servers.
2. But there would be no such thing as “too many things,” if your whole inventor is always on you. Either a person's inventory is every item they own even if not "in their inventory" (thus losing them if they die), or a person's inventory is just what is on them and as such has limited space based on what they can carry. You are drawing points from different arguments that are inconsistent to make the case.
3. Annie was locked in a cafeteria with dead bodies all around her, she knew there was something bad going on, and she could have gotten out in a heartbeat if she had access to her high-level swords, when the aliens show up later, she sure saw aliens then and could have fought them with her weapons. We have already seen that Weapons of Atlas are not bound by rules of server types and non-combat server setting (if those are even a thing), and on the station, we saw the Merc using a weapon.
4. Appearing on different servers with different item available actually proves my point. And think about this. Nova was very cold on Ogygia server, if she has access to her items because her "inventory" is all her items then why didn't she change clothes? Her sin city clothes were doing nothing for her there. Gems of Doom and Weapon of Atlas are special items that are always on a person unless that person stores them elsewhere. They are not server bound items like others.
5. But you aren't "believing Idriel," you are operating from a preconceived notion of what her words mean. What is "in your inventory" and what is "starting from scratch." Based on her words alone neither of us is right, a person could lose the items on them when they die or lose everything they have in every server. So, we have to look at other evidence. People storing thing elsewhere, items being stolen, items not appearing in some servers, and automatically appearing when entering others, character's not using items they could have if they could access them. The word "inventory" in games means items on a player character. Even outside of game terminology it means all items in a specific location or *accessible* by a person or company at a given time.
5.5 And Idriel's words, "start from scratch" =/= start with nothing. If I make a cake, "from scratch" am I starting with nothing? No, I am just starting with the separate ingredients. Starting from scratch can mean starting in a server you die in with just the items you have left in other places. You have to build back up to those awesome items you lost, but you don't lose everything. You can still coble together items from other servers or that had stored on that one even. But you are having to scratch build you character from lesser items since you lost those great ones you had on you. And since some items are level locked then you may not be able to use them for a long time again.

The fact is we don't know the answer. Idriel's statement is one piece of evidence, and her words can be interpreted several ways based on our assumptions about those words.

And, as I haven't died, I need to ask everyone else. Does Orion lose all his Eternnums when he dies? If he dies fighting the guy in the arena, then does Orion have any money? Money used and needed to even pull off the heist. If his money isn't lost on character death, then items on other servers and "physical items and titles" like building ownership, for sure shouldn't be lost.

So does this mean you can interact with your own dead body? I dont want to be the one to say it but this would prob make the necrophilia and/or selfcest ppl go wild :HideThePain:
Can’t be sure, but I’m betting that since there is a twenty-four hour pause between the player dying and being able to log back in that is the window the body is still around and able to be looted. Then, when a player logs back in their body de-spawns from where it is and a new body is made with starting gear for the server (if going to the server you died on) or their base body on another server is loaded up.

Edit: The screen shot posted by Rovenant shows that a player's body de-spawns when they log back in.
 

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What happens to your dead body if you rush back to it? Or does it disappear when you log on? If it disappear, is it still lootable? Hmm so many questions :LOL:
Well, if you log in your body dissappear but your things (this is my guess) stay in the floor where you were. Why? because Luna's cat, even when it was putted in standby and both were logged off, Maurice was still there because "nothing dissappears in Eternum without a reason" (she said something in those lines).
 

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1. The Roman server is separate from the Medieval server. I’ve never had Orion take Dalia’s items and run when they first meet Thanatos. Does anyone know if she dies if you that? That would actually solve all of this. Because if she dies if you leave her, and then later in the Roman server still has her armor and weapons, then that would prove you have separated inventory on different

And, as I haven't died, I need to ask everyone else. Does Orion lose all his Eternnums when he dies? If he dies fighting the guy in the arena, then does Orion have any money? Money used and needed to even pull off the heist. If his money isn't lost on character death, then items on other servers and "physical items and titles" like building ownership, for sure shouldn't be lost.
I just went to check really quick and saw that if you leave her you turn back, see Thanatos (while thinking if you really will leave her, what if something happen to her) and Thanatos saw you and the leaves. You then come back and help her leave too.

About the other thing... I would have to play a full mistakes time to see what if do everything wrong. But it looks like they just find another way to do it. But it will be worth to see it.
 
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1. The Roman server is separate from the Medieval server. I’ve never had Orion take Dalia’s items and run when they first meet Thanatos. Does anyone know if she dies if you that? That would actually solve all of this. Because if she dies if you leave her, and then later in the Roman server still has her armor and weapons, then that would prove you have separated inventory on different servers.
2. But there would be no such thing as “too many things,” if your whole inventor is always on you. Either a person's inventory is every item they own even if not "in their inventory" (thus losing them if they die), or a person's inventory is just what is on them and as such has limited space based on what they can carry. You are drawing points from different arguments that are inconsistent to make the case.
3. Annie was locked in a cafeteria with dead bodies all around her, she knew there was something bad going on, and she could have gotten out in a heartbeat if she had access to her high-level swords, when the aliens show up later, she sure saw aliens then and could have fought them with her weapons. We have already seen that Weapons of Atlas are not bound by rules of server types and non-combat server setting (if those are even a thing), and on the station, we saw the Merc using a weapon.
4. Appearing on different servers with different item available actually proves my point. And think about this. Nova was very cold on Ogygia server, if she has access to her items because her "inventory" is all her items then why didn't she change clothes? Her sin city clothes were doing nothing for her there. Gems of Doom and Weapon of Atlas are special items that are always on a person unless that person stores them elsewhere. They are not server bound items like others.
5. But you aren't "believing Idriel," you are operating from a preconceived notion of what her words mean. What is "in your inventory" and what is "starting from scratch." Based on her words alone neither of us is right, a person could lose the items on them when they die or lose everything they have in every server. So, we have to look at other evidence. People storing thing elsewhere, items being stolen, items not appearing in some servers, and automatically appearing when entering others, character's not using items they could have if they could access them. The word "inventory" in games means items on a player character. Even outside of game terminology it means all items in a specific location or *accessible* by a person or company at a given time.
5.5 And Idriel's words, "start from scratch" =/= start with nothing. If I make a cake, "from scratch" am I starting with nothing? No, I am just starting with the separate ingredients. Starting from scratch can mean starting in a server you die in with just the items you have left in other places. You have to build back up to those awesome items you lost, but you don't lose everything. You can still coble together items from other servers or that had stored on that one even. But you are having to scratch build you character from lesser items since you lost those great ones you had on you. And since some items are level locked then you may not be able to use them for a long time again.

The fact is we don't know the answer. Idriel's statement is one piece of evidence, and her words can be interpreted several ways based on our assumptions about those words.

And, as I haven't died, I need to ask everyone else. Does Orion lose all his Eternnums when he dies? If he dies fighting the guy in the arena, then does Orion have any money? Money used and needed to even pull off the heist. If his money isn't lost on character death, then items on other servers and "physical items and titles" like building ownership, for sure shouldn't be lost.


Can’t be sure, but I’m betting that since there is a twenty-four hour pause between the player dying and being able to log back in that is the window the body is still around and able to be looted. Then, when a player logs back in their body de-spawns from where it is and a new body is made with starting gear for the server (if going to the server you died on) or their base body on another server is loaded up.

Edit: The screen shot posted by Rovenant shows that a player's body de-spawns when they log back in.
2. But there would be no such thing as “too many things,” if your whole inventor is always on you. Either a person's inventory is every item they own even if not "in their inventory" (thus losing them if they die), or a person's inventory is just what is on them and as such has limited space based on what they can carry. You are drawing points from different arguments that are inconsistent to make the case.
3. Annie was locked in a cafeteria with dead bodies all around her, she knew there was something bad going on, and she could have gotten out in a heartbeat if she had access to her high-level swords, when the aliens show up later, she sure saw aliens then and could have fought them with her weapons. We have already seen that Weapons of Atlas are not bound by rules of server types and non-combat server setting (if those are even a thing), and on the station, we saw the Merc using a weapon.
4. Appearing on different servers with different item available actually proves my point. And think about this. Nova was very cold on Ogygia server, if she has access to her items because her "inventory" is all her items then why didn't she change clothes? Her sin city clothes were doing nothing for her there. Gems of Doom and Weapon of Atlas are special items that are always on a person unless that person stores them elsewhere. They are not server bound items like others.

Edit: The screen shot posted by Rovenant shows that a player's body de-spawns when they log back in.
I think you're may be right that there are different items or inventory in other servers, just take a look on Chop-Chop he almost have different set of items to sell in every server (idk maybe he have all sets of weapon or equipment in his shop in different servers). Also there are servers like public server (maybe the only servers where you have all your items in inventory)
and different servers like the Medieval, Roman, and etc. (that could have different inventory and limits of what item you can be used). So there is a chance that if you die in some servers like the Medieval or Roman you'll only lost the items you had in that server and if you die in a public server there is a chance you lost all the items you had and maybe just the item you have in your inventory, but we can't conclude that you'll lost the item you have in every server you've been. So the chance of loosing all of your items is taking all the items you have in different server (put it in your inventory)and die in a public server. (which is the most idiotic thing to do).

Also the Annie having Hyas is just a hunch, I also don't know how weapons work in Eternum is there a chance you can't use Melee weapons if your a mage, and can't use magic weapons if your a hitman or a swordsman or something, also Nova stated that she have almost 0% magical ability (Poor Nova) that make her not able to use what a mage can use. Also the there's a chance Annie is not capable of using Hyas, she also mentioned that Dalia can carry a sword by one hand so maybe there's a chance she can't even carry the Hyas by her own . Also the holder of the Weapon of Atlas is announced by Idriel (Idk if she will know if you have the weapon of atlas knowing that Orion's name is stated as the holder of Calypso and the holder of Hyas is still unknown) there's a way you can hide the identity of having the weapon of atlas. By maybe saying that Calypso is Carrie or either not using the item itself. (also I still don't know why Orion's name is still not stated as holder of Calypso after burglary using it at the heist or maybe they use the name he used during the heist). It's either Annie can't use Hyas or she's not using it or maybe she doesn't have it in the first place.
 

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I think you're may be right that there are different items or inventory in other servers, just take a look on Chop-Chop he almost have different set of items to sell in every server (idk maybe he have all sets of weapon or equipment in his shop in different servers). Also there are servers like public server (maybe the only servers where you have all your items in inventory)
and different servers like the Medieval, Roman, and etc. (that could have different inventory and limits of what item you can be used). So there is a chance that if you die in some servers like the Medieval or Roman you'll only lost the items you had in that server and if you die in a public server there is a chance you lost all the items you had and maybe just the item you have in your inventory, but we can't conclude that you'll lost the item you have in every server you've been. So the chance of loosing all of your items is taking all the items you have in different server (put it in your inventory)and die in a public server. (which is the most idiotic thing to do).

Also the Annie having Hyas is just a hunch, I also don't know how weapons work in Eternum is there a chance you can't use Melee weapons if your a mage, and can't use magic weapons if your a hitman or a swordsman or something, also Nova stated that she have almost 0% magical ability (Poor Nova) that make her not able to use what a mage can use. Also the there's a chance Annie is not capable of using Hyas, she also mentioned that Dalia can carry a sword by one hand so maybe there's a chance she can't even carry the Hyas by her own . Also the holder of the Weapon of Atlas is announced by Idriel (Idk if she will know if you have the weapon of atlas knowing that Orion's name is stated as the holder of Calypso and the holder of Hyas is still unknown) there's a way you can hide the identity of having the weapon of atlas. By maybe saying that Calypso is Carrie or either not using the item itself. (also I still don't know why Orion's name is still not stated as holder of Calypso after burglary using it at the heist or maybe they use the name he used during the heist). It's either Annie can't use Hyas or she's not using it or maybe she doesn't have it in the first place.
Annie having Hyas at beginning? Hard to believe, because that sword value was really low and it's hard to believe no one noticed it was a sword that even by being closed to steel could melt it.

I just think the Syndicate steal the sword Annie was planning on giving to you. Because that made you not fight and survive, and when the time came it helped you unlocked your powers probably. If not maybe you would become a swordman from beginning with Dalia trying to teach you things and going to dungeons.


If not, then I believe it was just a narrative way to tell te player that stealing is common and you have to be careful in Eternum.


Edit: Well, in Eternum you don't build your character because you don't upgrade your stats. If you go to a server with magic you can so it there, and sometimes in other servers too, but with limitations. If a server allows more freedom then you can do whatever you want, the thing is that you need to learn spells and have the right equipment to do it properly (or have a good potentiation) so going hybrid character is possible but not a good choice from what we've seen so far.

Annie is cuting thing in whole world <3
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Ohh, come on, little cutie alien isn't allowed to simp Annie too? Maybe the Alien found out that Annie was really lovely and cute like you did hahaha.

But yeah, I love her character. It reminds me a lot of Judie in some things.
 
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Probability and randomness are weird. No matter how many times you flip a coin, the chance of heads is always 50%. So while the base probability of 6 heads in a row is, I believe, correctly stated as 1/64, if you've had 5 heads in a row the chances of the next flip being heads is still 50% – this is not affected by the preceding results.

Interestingly, the more times you flip, the higher the chance of a longer streak of the same result. I.e., the chance of a repeating sequence changes depending on how many times you perform the action (while the chance of any individual result of a single flip remains static at 50%.) If you flip 20 times, in about 45% of cases you will get a streak of four. This is based on the number of permutations of results: 45% of permutations of 20 contain a streak of four. To get a similar chance of 7 in a row (44%) you'd need to flip 150 times. This shows that the common assumptions we might make – such as the probability of a streak continuing being affected by how long it's been running, or that the chance of a repeating sequence of a given length is static – are not necessarily accurate.

(this has nothing much to do with the game, but I think it's fascinating)

Naturally, in a world which has people in control of certain aspects, it's possible that the result was being manipulated. But it could also just happen.
It's a longshot, but I was curious if this was a reference to Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead, one of my all time favorite anythings. More than likely it's just a fun bit to the story, like what are the odds, right?
 

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So with the popular theory of Eternum being an access point to the multiverse, what if all the "easter egg" items that some ppl think are assets Caribdis is just taking from other games, is really just intentional, and to show that these items actually exist in other realities as real items and not just game props (destiny gun/nier sword i think were some of them, so they're actual worlds in the Carbidiverse, like the Aliens world)
 

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So with the popular theory of Eternum being an access point to the multiverse, what if all the "easter egg" items that some ppl think are assets Caribdis is just taking from other games, is really just intentional, and to show that these items actually exist in other realities as real items and not just game props (destiny gun/nier sword i think were some of them, so they're actual worlds in the Carbidiverse, like the Aliens world)
Like I said in an earlier post: if the theory is true then it's a cool subversion of "Ready Player One" which a lot of posters in this thread think is what Eternum's story is paying homage to. Instead of having all of these existing IPs from various media be placed into one "VRMMO," the twist would basically imply that it's the other way around: that this dimension is where all the ideas for those IPs originated from.

With that said, I'm wondering what other worlds are on the roadmap where Caribdis could basically utilize that. My money's still on a Wild West*, Pirate, and/or Wasteland/Post-Apocalypse server happening, since there's a whole lot of assets you could use for those XD.

*Come on Caribdis I need to see Nova, Nancy, and/or Annie in a Saloon Gal outfit pleasepleasepleaseplease
 
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Like I said in an earlier post: if the theory is true then it's a cool subversion of "Ready Player One" which a lot of posters in this thread think is what Eternum's story is paying homage to. Instead of having all of these existing IPs from various media be placed into one "VRMMO," the twist would basically imply that it's the other way around: that this dimension is where all the ideas for those IPs originated from.

With that said, I'm wondering what other worlds are on the roadmap where Caribdis could basically utilize that. My money's still on a Wild West*, Pirate, and/or Wasteland/Post-Apocalypse server happening, since there's a whole lot of assets you could use for those XD.

*Come on Caribdis I need to see Nova, Nancy, and/or Annie in a Saloon Gal outfit pleasepleasepleaseplease
I've never seen the show but Westworlds could be a cool franchise to visit, seems like itd work well in the Eternum VR, with its wild westt/sci fi fusion
 
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