VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.0] [Caribdis]

[talion777]

There's not a single scene that lack logic, what ? The party is there to get closer to Nova and Penny, so of course it's centered around their relationship to Orion. It's not "an excuse to have sexual content", it's an "excuse" to get closer to them because that's what the party is about. Sexual content is there because it's a porn game but it doesn't come out of nowhere. Nova and Penny both have a crush on Orion thanks to everything that already happened before between them. This party, in which people are supposed to have fun and let themselve go, is indeed an excuse to act on their feelings and get contents with them.

Also if that feel childish to you, it's because it is. College students don't go to parties to silently drink tea around a clean table and debate about philosophy or talk about rents and taxes. They usually go there to have fun, drink, get laid, and play stupid games, which leads to them acting childish. So clearly the atmosphere was on point, and litterally everything that leads to sexual content is justified by the characters and consistant within the context of this party.

I was not sure about answering this because everyone has the right to have an opinion but sometimes seeing criticism about something that's not even accurate is kinda annoying. It's like saying you don't like Annie because she's too mean with others or you don't like Calypso because she's ugly... dude.

It is accurate though. All of the sudden every LI, no matter what the previous experience or personality hangup is suddenly falling all over themselves to land on MCs dick. It's totally an excuse to add more sex, which presumably enough people were complaining about that the dev felt the need to include it. Virtually none of the sex scenes have an organic entry. It feels contrived and superficial, even though the animations were great. He's 100% right IMHO.

 

[Psykoman1978]

All of them

Edit : wait, the smiley means that you rememer that, doesn't it?

yup

 

[wiseold6996]

Bro who recorded the messages in the space station? Caribdis?

 

[Dorfnutter]

It is accurate though. All of the sudden every LI, no matter what the previous experience or personality hangup is suddenly falling all over themselves to land on MCs dick. It's totally an excuse to add more sex, which presumably enough people were complaining about that the dev felt the need to include it. Virtually none of the sex scenes have an organic entry. It feels contrived and superficial, even though the animations were great. He's 100% right IMHO.

'All of the sudden?'

Have you forgotten the time skips that happen throughout the game and the likelihood that we don't see all of Orion's (MC's) interactions with the girls, particularly the ones that are likely happening during said skips?



Like in 0.3 where a skip happens between the Ogygia sequence and Orion hanging out in the park, to which it's revealed in a convo with Alex and Dalia that he's been training his powers with the latter during the skip?

Or are you saying that we should see ALL of his interactions with the girls without cuts, regardless of how mundane it is? Just so we could see a "proper" relationship build between Orion and the girls? All while having the plot grind to a crawl in order to service that, like what other games accused of milking their fans are doing?

Well newsflash: dev already did that with OIAL, his past game. And you know what happened in that game? 4 LI's...only 4 LI's out of the 7 had a proper relationship build up because he spent way too much time with mundane shit with them, stuff that could've been cut and used to have much needed moments with the other LI's. And while he's doing that, the plot pacing also suffered. Hell, the story proper didn't even get some steam until 0.5 when a major character had to join the cast just to get the ball rolling. THAT'S how slow the game's first four updates were from a plot and LI development perspective.

And you want the dev to go back to that? Now that he's basically giving each LI a proper shine in the spotlight, both in development and plot? Just because you think that their development isn't "organic" enough?

Screw. That.

 

[TeeEight]

I can't believe Caribdis managed to create child versions of the characters with Honey Select... That's a little concerning honestly but I'm going to focus instead on the flashback scene during the Hogwarts scene and holy shit... I can't believe a porn game made me feel things... I feel bad for Nancy. Kid!Dalia was so damn adorable. I wonder if she still has those googles, could be a future scene where Orion and her talk about her dreams of exploring.

 

[Cherubin25]

'All of the sudden?'

Have you forgotten the time skips that happen throughout the game and the likelihood that we don't see all of Orion's (MC's) interactions with the girls, particularly the ones that are likely happening during said skips?

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Like in 0.3 where a skip happens between the Ogygia sequence and Orion hanging out in the park, to which it's revealed in a convo with Alex and Dalia that he's been training his powers with the latter during the skip?

Or are you saying that we should see ALL of his interactions with the girls without cuts, regardless of how mundane it is? Just so we could see a "proper" relationship build between Orion and the girls? All while having the plot grind to a crawl in order to service that, like what other games accused of milking their fans are doing?

Well newsflash: he already did that with OIAL, his past game. And you know what happened in that game? 4 LI's...only 4 LI's out of the 7 had a proper relationship build up because he spent way too much time with mundane shit with them, stuff that could've been cut and used to have much needed moments with the other LI's. And while he's doing that, the plot pacing also suffered. Hell, the story proper didn't even get some steam until 0.5 when a major character had to join the cast just to get the ball rolling. THAT'S how slow the game's first four updates were from a plot and LI development perspective.

And you want the dev to go back to that? Now that he's basically giving each LI a proper shine in the spotlight, both in development and plot? Just because you think that their development isn't "organic" enough?

Screw. That.

To be honest, I did not really notice it that badly with Once in a Lifetime, IMO this is a masterpiece as well. Granted, I only started with OIAL with 0.8, so close to the end.

But in general, those transitions in Eternum should really not be ignored. MC is living pretty closely with 4 of the 7 LIs (Annie, Penny, Dalia and Nancy all live in the same house), he will see Luna and Alex on a constant basis. So at least 6 out of 7 are part of his daily life for quite some time already.

Also, Eternum itself should not be forgotten in the mix. So even outside of RL-Events, MC can spend a lot of time with the LIs and I can imagine that time in Eternum is really the same like time in RL. Like, having someone in Discord to play with them is already way more personal than writing, I can only imagine how much an experience like Eternum does for Bonding.

(Also, a good reference how long they are in Kredon can be seen with Chang. He is also friends with the LIs who he only got to know in Kredon and he is spending less time with them than MC. So the overall story so far is far more than a few days)

 

[Arkture]

This is a really fucking good story hands down. I turn music off for most games but not this one since a large portion of the atmosphere is enhanced by the music. The scenes are hot and the personalities are varied. 10/10

 

[aochaoch]

There's not a single scene that lack logic, what ? The party is there to get closer to Nova and Penny, so of course it's centered around their relationship to Orion. It's not "an excuse to have sexual content", it's an "excuse" to get closer to them because that's what the party is about. Sexual content is there because it's a porn game but it doesn't come out of nowhere. Nova and Penny both have a crush on Orion thanks to everything that already happened before between them. This party, in which people are supposed to have fun and let themselve go, is indeed an excuse to act on their feelings and get contents with them.

Also if that feel childish to you, it's because it is. College students don't go to parties to silently drink tea around a clean table and debate about philosophy or talk about rents and taxes. They usually go there to have fun, drink, get laid, and play stupid games, which leads to them acting childish. So clearly the atmosphere was on point, and litterally everything that leads to sexual content is justified by the characters and consistant within the context of this party.

I was not sure about answering this because everyone has the right to have an opinion but sometimes seeing criticism about something that's not even accurate is kinda annoying. It's like saying you don't like Annie because she's too mean with others or you don't like Calypso because she's ugly... dude.

Very good analysation man. One important reason we love this game is that Caribdis gave the girls depth in characterization. You have to fall in love with the girl then the scene can be awesome and enjoyable. Like Eva early in the game, we had sex with her but it didn't turn me on because I didn't know her, had no relationship, and no story. I'm very surprised that Caribdis has made a game that I love all the main girls, this never happened. I believe most of the fans have a similar feeling. By the way, I prefer Nancy's previous hair style.

 

[ArDZer]

Very good analysation man. One important reason we love this game is that Caribdis gave the girls depth in characterization. You have to fall in love with the girl then the scene can be awesome and enjoyable. Like Eva early in the game, we had sex with her but it didn't turn me on because I didn't know her, had no relationship, and no story. I'm very surprised that Caribdis has made a game that I love all the main girls, this never happened. I believe most of the fans have a similar feeling. By the way, I prefer Nancy's previous hair style.

The dev certainly likes to vary with hairstyles with the ladies. The same happened in OiAL too. As to what's in store in future updates, most people can't wait to find out.

 

[talion777]

'All of the sudden?'

Have you forgotten the time skips that happen throughout the game and the likelihood that we don't see all of Orion's (MC's) interactions with the girls, particularly the ones that are likely happening during said skips?

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Like in 0.3 where a skip happens between the Ogygia sequence and Orion hanging out in the park, to which it's revealed in a convo with Alex and Dalia that he's been training his powers with the latter during the skip?

Or are you saying that we should see ALL of his interactions with the girls without cuts, regardless of how mundane it is? Just so we could see a "proper" relationship build between Orion and the girls? All while having the plot grind to a crawl in order to service that, like what other games accused of milking their fans are doing?

Well newsflash: dev already did that with OIAL, his past game. And you know what happened in that game? 4 LI's...only 4 LI's out of the 7 had a proper relationship build up because he spent way too much time with mundane shit with them, stuff that could've been cut and used to have much needed moments with the other LI's. And while he's doing that, the plot pacing also suffered. Hell, the story proper didn't even get some steam until 0.5 when a major character had to join the cast just to get the ball rolling. THAT'S how slow the game's first four updates were from a plot and LI development perspective.

And you want the dev to go back to that? Now that he's basically giving each LI a proper shine in the spotlight, both in development and plot? Just because you think that their development isn't "organic" enough?

Screw. That.

Yes, I believe that anything that happens offscreen in this type of environment is irrelevant and/or didn't happen. I also couldn't possibly care less what happened in a previous game because each and every game should be self contained and players/readers (whatever you'd like to call them) shouldn't be required to have specialized knowledge or experience in other games in order to enjoy this one. The NLT games are a good example of this.

So yes, newsflash, he is not giving each LI a proper chance to shine in the spotlight as it were. I feel that the relationships in some cases were underdeveloped prior to leading into lewd scenes. For me that takes the shine off the apple. If it doesn't matter to you then that's fine. To each their own. Do I want the dev to go back to the pacing of the chapters up to 0.4? Absofucking-lutely. The first four chapters were great. I don't equate more lewds=better game. I like sex as an element of the experience but for fucks sakes sex is everywhere. If you're in a hurry to watch any random girl boning any random guy then pornhub is just a click away and go to it. Real people too. This is supposed to be a story. If the story's not compelling then what's the point? I'm not going to get mindlessly excited about a cartoon girl no matter who they are. I want something compelling, not just something titillating.

And if that's what the story is going to turn into, basically mindless fucking of the LIs, which happens in so many games, then it would be a loss for everyone. Screw. That. (to quote a famous internet personality)

Now, to be perfectly clear again for the peanut gallery and the religious fanboys who will take any criticism as sacrilege, I'm enjoying this game thus far, intend to continue playing, and still believe that overall the quality of this game is superior to that of most of the AVNs out there, with mountains of potential to be even better going forward, but I'm not bowing down to the altar, as it were, and if everyone including the dev is too thin-skinned to accept or at least consider what I consider to be fairly minor criticism then screw that too.

 

[Son of Durin]

Mixed feelings about the update. On the one hand, as someone who really likes the story in this game, I was a little disappointed that we didn’t see any kind of plot development, on the other hand, the focus in this update was precisely on the development of relations between the characters and I liked Luna's path. So, overall it was good. I hope in the next update the focus will shift back to the main story.

No plot development?

You mustn't have been paying attention. MC is known to The Founder and is, in a way, being encouraged by him; MC is connected to the game in ways others aren't - those flashes with Calypso and Idriel have meaning; original owners of the gems have been revealed; a tool for potentially obtaining the gems and other items has been created; Nova now has a kick-ass new bit of tech that will propel her already great skills into new realms; and we have a clue as to who and WHAT Thanatos may be, as well as insight into what may truly be going on with NPCs - the flashback near the end starting to connect little bits of data into a bigger picture. Was anything resolved or was there a gem heist? No. But we learned quite a bit about plot elements and how actions will advance.

Plot development isn't just action and achieving a goal; plot development is also revelation, new developments, finding threads to follow, establishing new quests. There was quite a bit of plot development in this release. Plus, there will soon be t-shirts!

 

[Dorfnutter]

Yes, I believe that anything that happens offscreen in this type of environment is irrelevant and/or didn't happen. I also couldn't possibly care less what happened in a previous game because each and every game should be self contained and players/readers (whatever you'd like to call them) shouldn't be required to have specialized knowledge or experience in other games in order to enjoy this one. The NLT games are a good example of this.

Read. What. I. Said.

I didn't say you need specialized knowledge from the previous game in order to enjoy the new one. I said that the dev's past game had writing shortcomings (that being not giving the girls equal time in the spotlight and LI events slowing main plot progress and feeling too mundane even though they're intimate enough) that he is actively rectifying in this game, but is something you want to go back to. Stop making him regress back to his OIAL style of writing, he's already moved past that.

So yes, newsflash, he is not giving each LI a proper chance to shine in the spotlight as it were. I feel that the relationships in some cases were underdeveloped prior to leading into lewd scenes. For me that takes the shine off the apple. If it doesn't matter to you then that's fine. To each their own. Do I want the dev to go back to the pacing of the chapters up to 0.4? Absofucking-lutely. The first four chapters were great. I don't equate more lewds=better game. I like sex as an element of the experience but for fucks sakes sex is everywhere. If you're in a hurry to watch any random girl boning any random guy then pornhub is just a click away and go to it. Real people too. This is supposed to be a story. If the story's not compelling then what's the point? I'm not going to get mindlessly excited about a cartoon girl no matter who they are. I want something compelling, not just something titillating.

What you see as a weakness, a majority in this thread sees as a strength or are fine with it. This is not BaDIK or the first Grisaia VN (have not played the others don't @ me). This is a plot-first VN where the main story's pacing dictates the pacing of relationship development, not the other way around. And the plot is fast-paced in case you didn't notice (so fast paced that not even this supposedly "filler" episode is given time to breath because dev goes straight to everyone's jugular by dropping that bombshell of an ending that sets the tone for the next chapter to follow). This is not the dev's past game where progress of the main plot is artificially ground to a snail's pace just to focus on MC's relationship building with 4 of the 7 main LI's through mundane events that could've been streamlined so that the other 3 LI's could've been introduced early or have their development not be gimped as they were (hence this game's use of time skips and skipping through the little things that likely contributed to the relationship development between MC and the girls - stuff that you claim as 'irrelevant' - because again, the plot has the bigger spotlight).

So yes, the game is going to focus on the damn highlights of the relationship instead of taking its sweet time (though some folk in this thread think otherwise) whether you like it or not because the plot is the focus (hence why lore drops and stuff that move the story forward happen even during LI events) and the plot has no damn brakes. Oh, you thought the plot slammed on the brakes during this update? Well the meeting with the Founder, the bleeding effect event, the revelation that Axel has been MIA in the real world since the Ulysses party, the vision with Idriel at the party, the Nancy infiltration event, and that bombshell about Thanatos and the NPCs in the end says otherwise.

 

[Lilybelle]

In response to all plot comments: what really even constitutes plot?

Personally, I thought Carolyn's plot development was riveting:

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[talion777]

Read. What. I. Said.

I didn't say you need specialized knowledge from the previous game in order to enjoy the new one. I said that the dev's past game had writing shortcomings (that being not giving the girls equal time in the spotlight and LI events slowing main plot progress and feeling too mundane even though they're intimate enough) that he is actively rectifying in this game, but is something you want to go back to. Stop making him regress back to his OIAL style of writing, he's already moved past that.



What you see as a weakness, a majority in this thread sees as a strength or are fine with it. This is not BaDIK or the first Grisaia VN (have not played the others don't @ me). This is a plot-first VN where the main story's pacing dictates the pacing of relationship development, not the other way around. And the plot is fast-paced in case you didn't notice (so fast paced that not even this supposedly "filler" episode is given time to breath because dev goes straight to everyone's jugular by dropping that bombshell of an ending that sets the tone for the next chapter to follow). This is not the dev's past game where progress of the main plot is artificially ground to a snail's pace just to focus on MC's relationship building with 4 of the 7 main LI's through mundane events that could've been streamlined so that the other 3 LI's could've been introduced early or have their development not be gimped as they were (hence this game's use of time skips and skipping through the little things that likely contributed to the relationship development between MC and the girls - stuff that you claim as 'irrelevant' - because again, the plot has the bigger spotlight).

So yes, the game is going to focus on the damn highlights of the relationship instead of taking its sweet time (though some folk in this thread think otherwise) whether you like it or not because the plot is the focus (hence why lore drops and stuff that move the story forward happen even during LI events) and the plot has no damn brakes. Oh, you thought the plot slammed on the brakes during this update? Well the meeting with the Founder, the bleeding effect event, the revelation that Axel has been MIA in the real world since the Ulysses party, the vision with Idriel at the party, the Nancy infiltration event, and that bombshell about Thanatos and the NPCs in the end says otherwise.

Yep. I see it as a weakness. I don't really care what anybody else sees it as. Chapter 5 was not a "plot first" episode and that's pretty much that as far as I'm concerned. There was a very unbalanced approach to lewd scenes that was the primary focus of the chapter, full stop, end of story. It absolutely was not as story driven as the first 4 chapters and anyone who thinks otherwise is going to have to prove it to me with diagrams and a bunch of red circles and arrows explaining why in order to convince me. You can agree or not, I don't care. I'm interested in my experience with this game and not yours. I also know that many people are either onboard or wildly enthusiastic about this approach, and some would be happy with just a continuous scene of animated bangings. That's fine, and to each their own. Does it have to take forever to build relationships, no, but would some credibility be nice? yes. Stopping not once but twice in the middle of a robbery and/or assault to have sex is stupid. It strains my credibility more than WWE wrestling. The massage dialogue was cringe. The BJ in the bushes scene made sense to you? In what world and in what context? Was the chapter devoid of story? Of course not. Now, again (for the second or third time now?) I keep stating that the core story is interesting even if the plot isn't an original idea, because thus far it has been well executed and that has made the whole thing enjoyable . It's the tangents that introduce the lewd scenes that were moronic in this particular chapter. I make a very clear distinction between the two and that's what I've been talking about this whole time. Don't even get me started on the whole Alien thing. The point I'm making is that the gratuitous silliness of the linkages necessary to make the lewd scenes possible is detracting from the core aspects of the story and affecting the overall storytelling. They should be both flowing flowing together and more or less in parallel, not at odd angles to each other. That's it. Nothing else.

 

[Dorfnutter]

To be honest, I did not really notice it that badly with Once in a Lifetime, IMO this is a masterpiece as well. Granted, I only started with OIAL with 0.8, so close to the end.

It was particularly bad during the chapters before Asmodeus showed up.

-0.1 was fine if you look at it as only an introductory chapter, but had you not read the synopsis and reached the latter part of the chapter I wouldn't blame you if you thought the overall game was another "guy-with-failing-grades-mans-up-and-bangs-his-family-and-the-entire-school" style VN with nothing else going for it

-With the exception of the first part of the update where MC and Judie rummage through the basement to look for the plot, 0.2 was mostly just a relationship-building event with a pointless finale (the dream? the creature MC encountered there? never showed up in the story ever again unless you count the drug-induced dream later on in the story as a follow-up to that)

-0.3 was the only update where the plot felt like it moved forward

-0.4 was again mostly relationship building. But hey, we get our first vaginal scene! I was like "Yaaaaay...

...when is the plot coming back? And no, the revelation that Jasmine's dad is one of the Sons isn't enough."

So by the time 0.5 rolled in I was like "FINALLY. PLOT. ANSWERS."

In response to all plot comments: what really even constitutes plot?

Personally, I thought Carolyn's plot development was riveting:

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You joke about this,

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And with the implication made by seniorboop regarding Orion's fingernails growing darker and deader and the fact that Carolyn used to hiss at him at the beginning of the game...

...really makes you think.

 

[Dorfnutter]

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...Were you supposed to make a rebuttal? Because you quoted my post and nothing else is showing save for that.

 

[Lebeaubrun]

Cant find regina in the locker room after she propose to fuck? will he at least patch it in later?

 

[talion777]

...Were you supposed to make a rebuttal? Because you quoted my post and nothing else is showing save for that.

Yes, there was a response. For whatever reason I got thrown into editing mode and didn't notice it right away so it put the quoted response as my response without actually incorporating the stuff I wrote. I dunno. it's there now. Gremlins.

 

[RandyPhoenix]

While it was hot I'm kind of disappointed with

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So this is how things are now? Losing virginity biologically means nothing? Did virginity lose meaning while I'm not looking at it? I feel like I'm the only weird one here while nobody saying anything about that scene being contradictory and making no sense...

 

[Son of Durin]

While it was hot I'm kind of disappointed with

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So this is how things are now? Losing virginity biologically means nothing? Did virginity lose meaning while I'm not looking at it? I feel like I'm the only weird one here while nobody saying anything about that scene being contradictory and making no sense...

Virgins can't use toys?

What you're saying seems to be contradictory.