VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.0] [Caribdis]

[RandyPhoenix]

Virgins can't use toys?

What you're saying seems to be contradictory.

I don't remember saying anything about virgins can't use toys? Virgins can use toys but after using it you are no more virgin I told biologicaly using toy or finger and tearing your hymen means you lost your virginity. Virginity is nothing more than your hymen getting teared off, toys or your fingers can do that and that means you lost your virginity, end of story. I'm not saying anything about being virgin or not or not trying to shame anyone or praise virginity etc. Just saying biologicaly that's what is and that scene feels contradictory AF because of that, she is not a virgin, according to her she used toys and her fingers and considering there was no blood while using that big dildo in scene she wasn't virgin in that point.

 

[Dogorti]

Virgins can't use toys?

What you're saying seems to be contradictory.

Nah, it is clear that women cannot masturbate and feel pleasure from a plastic toy (?

I guess for this guy putting your dick in a pie counts as losing your virginity

 

[RandyPhoenix]

Nah, it is clear that women cannot masturbate and feel pleasure from a plastic toy (?

I guess for this guy putting your dick in a pie counts as losing your virginity

Topic was about female virginity (AKA about Nova), so I don't get it why you are talking about male virginity, something I'm not even sure exist, some people might say it exist tho but I'm not sure about it being exist or why you guys trying to change subject with saying things I don't even told Either way I laugh your comment, it was funny

 

[Phase_01]

I don't remember saying anything about virgins can't use toys? Virgins can use toys but after using it you are no more virgin I told biologicaly using toy or finger and tearing your hymen means you lost your virginity. Virginity is nothing more than your hymen getting teared off, toys or your fingers can do that and that means you lost your virginity, end of story. I'm not saying anything about being virgin or not or not trying to shame anyone or praise virginity etc. Just saying biologicaly that's what is and that scene feels contradictory AF because of that, she is not a virgin, according to her she used toys and her fingers and considering there was no blood while using that big dildo in scene she wasn't virgin in that point.

Honestly the whole concept of virginity is stupid but I won't get into that.

What I will say is though, is there's two types of virginity, biological and societal. Societal is only related to if you've had sex.
Girls can lose their hymen from just doing athletic activities, like sports, horse-riding, etc. They are still societal virgins, but biologically not, but this doesn't really matter tbh (neither does societal IMO but that's a matter of opinion and other personal belief factors) This of course includes toys.


From a societal standpoint, they didn't lose their virginity to a horse (I'd hope not but if that's their kink then good for them )

 

[Dorfnutter]

The massage dialogue was cringe.

And so was the dialogue with Annie while trying to convince her to get naked which led to the thighjob. And the dialogue with Dalia in the private server. And his dialogue with Penny prior to her scene. And trying to convince Nova that they masturbate while facing one another.

Orion is characterized as a horndog right from the start (see: the train scene in the very beginning where Orion stated to Chang that his goal during his stay is to "have fun" during his stay in Kredon). Of course his Rance-tier dialogue is going to reflect that (though to be fair on Orion at least canonically he doesn't try and brute force himself on his LI's). If you don't like it then to each their own.

The BJ in the bushes scene made sense to you? In what world and in what context?

Considering that Alex has been built up from the start as a girl who does shit to piss off her living family while living her own life and that giving a handjob and a blowjob to a guy she fancies while her dad is on the other side of the bushes is essentially giving a giant middle finger to the latter?

...Yeah, I say it makes sense in that context.

Don't even get me started on the whole Alien thing.

The Alien thing? You mean the sequence that heavily implied that people can access Eternum via dreams long before the MMO and the neural implants were a thing? The event that foreshadowed Orion's 'bleeding effect/case' scenes in this update? The sequence that also implies that the Aliens are natives of Eternum (specifically the Andromeda "server") and that the creators of the movie franchise encountered them during what was likely a 'bleeding case' even before the term was even a thing? What about it?

The point I'm making is that the gratuitous silliness of the linkages necessary to make the lewd scenes possible is detracting from the core aspects of the story and affecting the overall storytelling. They should be both flowing flowing together and more or less in parallel, not at odd angles to each other.

And I'm saying that to do that the dev will have to overhaul his current storytelling process and go back to writing in the style of OIAL where development focused more on 4 of the 7 LI's which resulted in their relationship with the MC being the most developed. To do that kind of style and then work evenly on 7 main LI's and one possible main LI that's not getting any LI development because it's a potential plot twist waiting to happen would just slow down a main story that's currently being paced fine as your posts are implying (until - in your own opinion - 0.5 slammed the breaks).

Had the dev chose to detach the LI development (to give them time to breathe) from the main story and made their romantic development optional then maybe - MAYBE - you could get what you want. But since the dev opted to have their development move in tandem to the main plot's speed, then unless the dev slows story progress significantly (more so than what you are criticizing 0.5's story progress speed to be, the kind of speed where we don't see significant story progress for 2-3 updates) to focus more time in LI development then that's that.

 

[Son of Durin]

I don't remember saying anything about virgins can't use toys? Virgins can use toys but after using it you are no more virgin I told biologicaly using toy or finger and tearing your hymen means you lost your virginity. Virginity is nothing more than your hymen getting teared off, toys or your fingers can do that and that means you lost your virginity, end of story. I'm not saying anything about being virgin or not or not trying to shame anyone or praise virginity etc. Just saying biologicaly that's what is and that scene feels contradictory AF because of that, she is not a virgin, according to her she used toys and her fingers and considering there was no blood while using that big dildo in scene she wasn't virgin in that point.

Bless your heart! You don't understand the definition of "virginity".

No physical intercourse with another human, no loss of virginity. It isn't about the hymen - those can break from all manner of non-sexual activity. Or do you believe a woman loses her virginity the first time she uses a tampon? Or realizes that riding her bicycle can feel really good and keeps rubbing until she orgasms for the first time?

I'm not sure what educational system you grew up in, but it failed you miserably. Either that, or you lacked the IQ to understand it.

 

[Son of Durin]

Topic was about female virginity (AKA about Nova), so I don't get it why you are talking about male virginity, something I'm not even sure exist, some people might say it exist tho but I'm not sure about it being exist or why you guys trying to change subject with saying things I don't even told Either way I laugh your comment, it was funny

Male virginity doesn't exist?

Is this the excuse you use when folks tell you you're a virgin because no woman has allowed you to even touch her, much less have sex with her?

 

[RandyPhoenix]

Male virginity doesn't exist?

Is this the excuse you use when folks tell you you're a virgin because no woman has allowed you to even touch her, much less have sex with her?

Like other person explained I actualy think two virginity, one of them is oldest and ''real'' one based on female virginity and hymen and blood etc. You might say it's nonsense and stuff but it's a fact, like it or not it's something existed since (I don't know since lol and I don't care but I know it's existed for thousands of years). This was the one I meant because in that scene the guy (Was it Akira-san? Anyways.) talked about ''deflowering'' and it means guy tearing girls hymen and blood etc, classic stuff you know. Whole scene was leading that kind of thing, so learning she is actualy and biologicaly not virgin was nonsense.

And there is second meaning, societal one and male virginity I gues comes here because... Males don't have hymen or anything in their penis... So it's most likely something societal and biologicaly not existed.

And again you guys are saying things I didn't told, this is literaly talk about virginity not about excuses males use etc. I feel like you are being passive agressive about something not even about you or any real person, it's just talk about subject, not sure why you guys keep trying to change subject to way you can accuse me for something dumb... I gues it's hard answering like Phase_01 ? She/he (not sure about gender) understanded what I was talking about and she/he was quite logical with her/his answer, but yeah being mature is quite hard in these days, sadly...

 

[Son of Durin]

Like other person explained I actualy think two virginity, one of them is oldest and ''real'' one based on female virginity and hymen and blood etc. You might say it's nonsense and stuff but it's a fact, like it or not it's something existed since (I don't know since lol and I don't care but I know it's existed for thousands of years). This was the one I meant because in that scene the guy (Was it Akira-san? Anyways.) talked about ''deflowering'' and it means guy tearing girls hymen and blood etc, classic stuff you know. Whole scene was leading that kind of thing, so learning she is actualy and biologicaly not virgin was nonsense.

And there is second meaning, societal one and male virginity I gues comes here because... Males don't have hymen or anything in their penis... So it's most likely something societal and biologicaly not existed.

And again you guys are saying things I didn't told, this is literaly talk about virginity not about excuses males use etc. I feel like you are being passive agressive about something not even about you or any real person, it's just talk about subject, not sure why you guys keep trying to change subject to way you can accuse me for something dumb... I gues it's hard answering like Phase_01 ? She/he (not sure about gender) understanded what I was talking about and she/he was quite logical with her/his answer, but yeah being mature is quite hard in these days, sadly...

I guess you simply lack the intellectual capacity to understand the concept. I pity those that have to deal with you IRL. Adios.

Edit: A facepalm from someone that doesn't understand virginity is a badge of honor.

 

[RandyPhoenix]

I guess you simply lack the intellectual capacity to understand the concept. I pity those that have to deal with you IRL. Adios.

You should say those words tou yourself in front of mirror, believe me your ego needs that break, adios I gues

 

[An known]

Cant find regina in the locker room after she propose to fuck? will he at least patch it in later?

I'm tired with this, I "can't find Regina" in the locker room, she's not there.
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[Lilybelle]

Dorfnutter If I put a comedic relief post about Virginity here, can you tie it into the serious plot as well?

 

[Dorfnutter]

Dorfnutter If I put a comedic relief post about Virginity here, can you tie it into the serious plot as well?

/checks notes

I...don't think the story has anything on that one, chief...

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...unless it's revealed later on that Calypso needs to stay a virgin up until the very end in order to get the true ending or something...

 

[Son of Durin]

Dorfnutter If I put a comedic relief post about Virginity here, can you tie it into the serious plot as well?

Perhaps have a female character show up that's never had sex and claim: "Maybe I've never had intercourse, but I'm not a virgin! I've never been a virgin! I was born without a hymen!* So there!"

* Genetically possible, though rare - about 0.03% according to an older study.

 

[EricGrey]

Personally, I'll stick with the dictionary definition of

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[l3lacklisted]

You're welcome.

Hey man, is that for Android or iOS? Cause there's no .sav file in it when extracting it.

 

[talion777]

And so was the dialogue with Annie while trying to convince her to get naked which led to the thighjob. And the dialogue with Dalia in the private server. And his dialogue with Penny prior to her scene. And trying to convince Nova that they masturbate while facing one another.

Orion is characterized as a horndog right from the start (see: the train scene in the very beginning where Orion stated to Chang that his goal during his stay is to "have fun" during his stay in Kredon). Of course his Rance-tier dialogue is going to reflect that (though to be fair on Orion at least canonically he doesn't try and brute force himself on his LI's). If you don't like it then to each their own.



Considering that Alex has been built up from the start as a girl who does shit to piss off her living family while living her own life and that giving a handjob and a blowjob to a guy she fancies while her dad is on the other side of the bushes is essentially giving a giant middle finger to the latter?

...Yeah, I say it makes sense in that context.



The Alien thing? You mean the sequence that heavily implied that people can access Eternum via dreams long before the MMO and the neural implants were a thing? The event that foreshadowed Orion's 'bleeding effect/case' scenes in this update? The sequence that also implies that the Aliens are natives of Eternum (specifically the Andromeda "server") and that the creators of the movie franchise encountered them during what was likely a 'bleeding case' even before the term was even a thing? What about it?



And I'm saying that to do that the dev will have to overhaul his current storytelling process and go back to writing in the style of OIAL where development focused more on 4 of the 7 LI's which resulted in their relationship with the MC being the most developed. To do that kind of style and then work evenly on 7 main LI's and one possible main LI that's not getting any LI development because it's a potential plot twist waiting to happen would just slow down a main story that's currently being paced fine as your posts are implying (until - in your own opinion - 0.5 slammed the breaks).

Had the dev chose to detach the LI development (to give them time to breathe) from the main story and made their romantic development optional then maybe - MAYBE - you could get what you want. But since the dev opted to have their development move in tandem to the main plot's speed, then unless the dev slows story progress significantly (more so than what you are criticizing 0.5's story progress speed to be, the kind of speed where we don't see significant story progress for 2-3 updates) to focus more time in LI development then that's that.

sigh.

I'm just going to give up because I'm clearly not getting this across. I don't care about the speed. You keep harping about this and never anywhere do I complain about the story speed. I did complain about the haste to create lewd tangents within the story. If the story was tighter those scenes could be built within the story without the ludicrous pretexts and it wouldn't change the story velocity at all, although it might affect the placement of lewd scenes. You seem to like them, and have rationalized them to your satisfaction, and are happy to have more LIs doing more things to the MC whenever. Good for you, I'm happy that you're happy and that you're getting what you want. We value different things. If the story was good enough I could stand to lose all or almost all of the lewd scenes and be content (an unpopular viewpoint I'm sure). The fact is though, that I enjoy them too. They just need to make sense. I have to much IRL experience in life and sex to buy into "insert any handy pretext here" in the games I play. It kills my buy-in into the fantasy. So, we will leave it at that and I'm pleased that it's making you happy and giving you what you want. If I find that in future installments that it's not giving me what I want (more chapters like this one) then I will simply move on to a better game that pleases me more. There's something for all of us. peace.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

Perhaps have a female character show up that's never had sex and claim: "Maybe I've never had intercourse, but I'm not a virgin! I've never been a virgin! I was born without a hymen!* So there!"

* Genetically possible, though rare - about 0.03% according to an older study.

Or she could be a total slut but have an elastic hymen, saying to you she's virgin but you can get AIDS and what only God could known other STD's!!!

 

[Son of Durin]

Personally, I'll stick with the dictionary definition of

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Watch out - reality and logic don't go over well with some.

 

[Dorfnutter]

I'm just going to give up because I'm clearly not getting this across. I don't care about the speed. You keep harping about this and never anywhere do I complain about the story speed. I did complain about the haste to create lewd tangents within the story.

I keep harping because like I said, with the way the story is currently written (LI progression tied to main plot pacing), something has to give in order for LIs to be given their proper relationship build (and hence, allow the lewd scenes to organically happen, which is what I see you basically harping on) while also maintaining a certain pace that would please story lovers and those who want lewds both. And with 7 LIs plus one potential LI, you will never be able to do that* unless you - again - significantly decrease the pacing.

*which is why I disagree with your assessment that you can do this by tightening the narrative. On the contrary, I'd argue that the narrative being tight IS the reason why the focus on relationship milestones (represented as lewd events) instead of organic growth (which leads to organically written scenes. you can't have one without the other. even if you write them organically, without that growth to back it up it's not going to change a damn thing and it'll still be seen as "the girls jumping on MC's dick all of the sudden") is currently happening. It's so tight that it necessitates the need for a downtime chapter in order for the story to breathe a bit before it resumes its pace (which is what 0.5 basically is: a downtime chapter with added story progression and lore sprinkled here and there to not put the story on a complete halt)

I will give you this though: the "issue" that you are putting focus on also stems from the fact that we have too many LIs for the kind of story that the dev is trying to make, much less pace. Had we have fewer LIs (say, 4. If we're going to trim, the Carters could be merged into one LI; Annie could be combined with Nova's character because we need someone who would guide Orion (MC) in the earlier levels of Eternum and having said character have Dione makes sense; Luna can be kept as is because she represents the "veteran" character more than Nova and Annie does plus her lineage is heavily implied to be crucial to the plot, and Calypso is...well, she could also be kept as is, but she'll be the one who would likely have lesser character moments given that she's an Eternum-only character), then that just frees more time for them to organically grow and we would have time to focus on them per update instead of rotating through 3-4 LIs per update (and therefore necessitating the timeskips where the unseen relationship development between Orion and the LIs likely happened and also the focus on the major milestone progression (lewd events) in the LI relationships during "gameplay" moments instead).

But...that's not the kind of story the dev wants to make, and based on the support that he's currently getting here and in Patreon, is also something that his supporters likely don't want him to do. So.../shrugs