VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.0] [Caribdis]

[Elhemeer]

Jesus fucking christ... Just go get the best girl Alex and have her ride your dick and cool down with the circle jerking of theories people...

You realize you just asked about 50% of the regular posters in this thread to SHUT UP, right?

/s

 

[Dorfnutter]

Jesus fucking christ... Just go get the best girl Alex and have her ride your dick and cool down with the circle jerking of theories people...

Serhawkes: /starts a shitshow fight calling out Annie just to get the thread pumping and the chaos rolling...

Also Serhawkes: "Wtf cool down guys, Jesus."

Me:

 

[Ungawa]

Ya'll know I got memes for dayz now right?

 

[SerHawkes]

You realize you just asked about 50% of the regular posters in this thread to SHUT UP, right?

/s

To be fair, I'm sure others would like to join the conversation, instead of having the thread residences go on and on while being ignored trying to join the conversation. There are other threads and games. Just saying. Spread you wings, look up blue muffles, do lines of coke.

Serhawkes: /starts a shitshow fight calling out Annie just to get the thread pumping and the chaos rolling...

Stand by what I said. Annie is still average in looks and character. Alex is the true and rightful queen.

 

[Lilybelle]

Second, Annie would likely think that the situation is more dreadful than scary, considering that Orion likely told her that the dead are "digitized" in Eternum (as he thinks that's the case when he mentions it to Calypso), the latter likely thinking that they're just copies of the dead rather than, y'know, the literal dead which the story heavily hints that they are.

In regards to your second point, whether it's intentional or a little oversight by Orion, I don't think Annie is properly filled in on the Eternum situation the way we are. I very much think from Annie's perspective Eternum is still primarily just thought of as a game. I also consider this a notable discrepancy for our appreciations for Annie's scene progression this Chapter. In my eyes, the scene we had was actually an advancement that I greatly enjoyed. You'd mentioned in prior posts something to the effect of it seeming like Annie's scene felt like she'd regressed compared to the previous one due to her hiding in a shell again. However, I think from Annie's point of view, that previous confidence hadn't translated to the real world in her mind yet because she still views Eternum primarily as a game. I felt that it made sense for her to be hesitant to do things with Orion because Annie's real world behavior hadn't progressed to the same level as her Eternum behavior until now. Weighting it with these factors actually made it my favorite scene of the 4 (which I feel is saying a lot when you consider how rich the scenes got). That said, the other girls sure gave her a run for her money . While I'm sure most people wouldn't agree with me on that latter point, I hope that the alternate perspective provided can give a higher rating to the quality of Annie's scene.

 

[Yvier the Duck]

Stand by what I said. Annie is still average in looks and character. Alex is the true and rightful queen.

YOU MONSTER!!!

 

[Dorfnutter]

In regards to your second point, whether it's intentional or a little oversight by Orion, I don't think Annie is properly filled in on the Eternum situation the way we are. I very much think from Annie's perspective Eternum is still primarily just thought of as a game.

I don't think anyone in the group - not even Orion - is properly filled in on what exactly is happening in Eternum other than the excommunications and that those who undergo such are "digitized" (his words not mine). The way he said it made it look he's rationalizing the revelation at the end of 0.5 in a way that's understandable and logical, which makes me think that while he's diving deep on the matter, he's still operating under the limits of what is real and what is possible under said reality (hence his disbelief when Axel implied that the worlds of Eternum could be parallel dimensions of sorts).

Which is also why I think they're being nonchalant about things and still continue on with playing the game and participating in the gem hunt instead of investigating Ulysses outside of Eternum as well as inside (which lucky for Orion is something that Axel is currently doing and is likely what Nova is doing as well when she's not helping the gang during the gem hunts or playing Eternum herself).

I also consider this a notable discrepancy for our appreciations for Annie's scene progression this Chapter. In my eyes, the scene we had was actually an advancement that I greatly enjoyed. You'd mentioned in prior posts something to the effect of it seeming like Annie's scene felt like she'd regressed compared to the previous one due to her hiding in a shell again. However, I think from Annie's point of view, that previous confidence hadn't translated to the real world in her mind yet because she still views Eternum primarily as a game. I felt that it made sense for her to be hesitant to do things with Orion because Annie's real world behavior hadn't progressed to the same level as her Eternum behavior until now. Weighting it with these factors actually made it my favorite scene of the 4 (which I feel is saying a lot when you consider how rich the scenes got). That said, the other girls sure gave her a run for her money . While I'm sure most people wouldn't agree with me on that latter point, I hope that the alternate perspective provided can give a higher rating to the quality of Annie's scene.

I'm not sure I can subscribe to Annie having a game persona and a real persona that's distinct from one another to the point that they're in conflict given that it undermines one of the major themes of the VN as well as the point of Eternum ("more real than real life"). Granted, her skillset in Eternum is obviously different compared to the real, but the Red Herring event and her recent failings to showcase her power shows that no such personality divide exists. Annie in Eternum is pretty much the same IRL, minus the high level and magic powers. As such, I view her persona and experiences in Eternum to be progressive if not parallel to her experience IRL, which is why I saw her 0.6 scene as a regression.

Of course, you're free to disagree, but eh.

 

[Takkatakka]

To be fair, I'm sure others would like to join the conversation, instead of having the thread residences go on and on while being ignored trying to join the conversation. There are other threads and games. Just saying. Spread you wings, look up blue muffles, do lines of coke.

Honestly: The thread was all but dead for about a week or longer without the "residents" really writing anything.

Timeskip being about Orion visiting his folks, maybe. But as Cari had said on Discord...

...So I'd wager he has the World War for the GoD event planned but he needed to find a way to jump to that following the Wyatt visit AND get Orion's powers up to speed without needlessly dwelling on a training montage.

That is pretty much what I would assume as well.

We'll see how Luna and Orion will react to each other now in 0.7, if only it wouldn't be still months away.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

Yes, and how is that exactly any different from Nova having Dione being a solution to just about any ranged encounter? Or Caly being able to port anyone when things get too hot, no matter the circumstances so long as she's not "tired-because-plot-reasons?" Or Nancy snugly fitting in her Empress role and winging it every single time? Or Luna being able to summon powerful beings with ease?

Point being: the idea that Cari would go out of his way to write events solely for the main characters to hone and develop their abilities (and not relegate them to snippets or glimpses like in the case of Dalia's and Orion's training) has been thrown out of the window ever since Ogygia. Effort has instead been placed on finding out the origin of said powers and items, which is part of the mystery that'll likely be unraveled as we go further into the story. If you think that's going to change anytime soon, then you're not paying attention to how Cari is writing this story at all.

Perhaps you are putting in a pedestal, you ask how is different?, well at the moment it was revealed all those marvelous things have their tricks, how they function, it's flaws, the rules they must follow, Dione isn't infallible, Calypso with all her might too, Nancy's ambition, support nature and inspiration with the help of those with good knowledge of tactical battle in the WRE is an explosive combination with excellent results (as when their past leader was thrown out when the chance was given to raise her in power over WRE, they just have waited for someone who could do it, even better considering the supposedly "prophecy" that have no precedence origin nor a consistent structure beyond a female redhead), regarding Luna's summoning skills, did we played the same game?, it is stated that some of them can only be summoned on certain circumstances or have a dangerous delay time to be summoned again, so, she can't risk herself too many times, even in this v0.6 she had take her time to summon something meanwhile those soldier were having their chit-chat.

What we knew of Orion's OP Skill is that appear in moments where he was in real danger, so a condition was set at first, but later we see him focus to activated it, after that, he seems to activate it when the incident on the date with Annie against the treats that launch to him as time bullet as when the OP Skill was shown, in this cases, we could see that the skill have a full rapid raise of force, resistant and speed of Orion, but still, with the chance to fail if he don't act properly at the moment. Now, what we saw?, he could manage to do it with ease and complete successfully the task needed because the narrative demanded it. So, if that happened now, what other things could do later? kame hame ha? Shoryuken? heal faster? Open Portals too?. The point is, as there are now unknown rules for that to be active and the extension of it, it can appear and do whatever the narrative demands for Orion. It's broken now.

Again, YOU think it's important to see. I think it's nice but it adds nothing to the overall narrative if the events in the trip aren't going to play a part later on in the story. And if Orion is going to spend his trip logging in to Eternum with the girls and/or use that time to investigate, then why even have him go in the bloody trip in the first place? Why even bother with the time skip? Just have Orion stay in Kredon working on his powers leading up to the WW event at the beginning of this update. Nevermind the fact that doing that just turns it into ANOTHER downtime update like in 0.5, with the only difference being that said downtime happens in Eternum.

Not to mention the fact that having Orion meet up with the UK Eternumite community adds more uneccesary elements to the mix. Like we already have a large cast and we're likely going to grow that further with the survivors of the Collector whodunit, the Syndicate, the identity of the mysterious man in the Ulysses party, any important members of Caly's race (assuming any of them are still alive at this point)...why would we need even more major characters (or minor ones if they don't show up again) to keep track of? Just because?

If you think that ppl can only grow relationships when they are together is fine, as much as if you think that internal growing isn't necessary to be shown in an AVN or if the internal grow of a person is impossible to achieved without the presence of others who are important to you, the same is if you think that the development of the general story can't occur when their main characters are over different places. But as you and many other does, there are who not shared the same though.

Considering how much I absolutely HATED the downtime in OIAL's early chapters with every fiber of my being and how your comments are basically asking a repeat of that storytelling process...yes, I am absolutely happy with how Cari is telling the story in Eternum now, thank you very much.

Be my guest.

 

[Dorfnutter]

Perhaps you are putting in a pedestal, you ask how is different?, well at the moment it was revealed all those marvelous things have their tricks, how they function, it's flaws, the rules they must follow, Dione isn't infallible, Calypso with all her might too, Nancy's ambition, support nature and inspiration with the help of those with good knowledge of tactical battle in the WRE is an explosive combination with excellent results (as when their past leader was thrown out when the chance was given to raise her in power over WRE, they just have waited for someone who could do it, even better considering the supposedly "prophecy" that have no precedence origin nor a consistent structure beyond a female redhead), regarding Luna's summoning skills, did we played the same game?, it is stated that some of them can only be summoned on certain circumstances or have a dangerous delay time to be summoned again, so, she can't risk herself too many times, even in this v0.6 she had take her time to summon something meanwhile those soldier were having their chit-chat.

Point being that we never saw any of those abilities being cultivated or honed. They're already part of the girls' toolkit and that - unless the plot demanded that they face a challenge - said abilities are as OP as Orion's. The World War event is basically a showcase of that. So yes, those abilities are there to move the plot forward rather than something to be honed. Otherwise why have the girls be portrayed as being able to curbstomp most players without a challenge? Why not show Nancy learning the ropes of ruling an empire instead of being able to wing it like it's nothing? Why show Luna already being able to summon something like Pyramid Head without so much as a flashback of her training? If these things don't exist as scenes, why demand Cari to put effort on Orion honing his?

What we knew of Orion's OP Skill is that appear in moments where he was in real danger, so a condition was set at first, but later we see him focus to activated it, after that, he seems to activate it when the incident on the date with Annie against the treats that launch to him as time bullet as when the OP Skill was shown, in this cases, we could see that the skill have a full rapid raise of force, resistant and speed of Orion, but still, with the chance to fail if he don't act properly at the moment. Now, what we saw?, he could manage to do it with ease and complete successfully the task needed because the narrative demanded it. So, if that happened now, what other things could do later? kame hame ha? Shoryuken? heal faster? Open Portals too?. The point is, as there are now unknown rules for that to be active and the extension of it, it can appear and do whatever the narrative demands for Orion. It's broken now.

So? It still couldn't go toe-to-toe against Thanatos. Not to mention there are drawbacks that are hinted at based on Chang's assessment of his appearance in the real (in that he's starting to become corpse-like/wraith-like). Any power that Orion might be drawing now likely has a consequence that will be revealed in the future, so I disagree with the assessment that it's "broken" as you say.

Not to mention that's the point of it really: we're meant to uncover the mystery surrounding Orion's abilities through his escapades in Eternum, not through some training montage. This isn't fucking battle shounen, this is an adventure-mystery AVN ffs.

If you think that ppl can only grow relationships when they are together is fine, as much as if you think that internal growing isn't necessary to be shown in an AVN or if the internal grow of a person is impossible to achieved without the presence of others who are important to you, the same is if you think that the development of the general story can't occur when their main characters are over different places. But as you and many other does, there are who not shared the same though.

Cari chose to prioritize that kind of growth in order to maximize the presence of the LIs with Orion, grow their bonds, and eventually have it lead to sexy moments. It's like people forget that even if this is a story-focused AVN, it's still a bloody AVN with 8 LIs that get rotated and focused on per update. No fucking shit Cari is going to prioritize that over anything else.

Also, I keep saying over and over, I do not mind any sort of character moment where they develop or instrospect or grow on their own. But if the scene detracts from the pacing of the story and doesn't contribute to the greater narrative (i.e. it doesn't lead to a sort of plot development or challenge in the future or something that leads to a lewd event), then it shouldn't exist.

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

Point being that we never saw any of those abilities being cultivated or honed. They're already part of the girls' toolkit and that - unless the plot demanded that they face a challenge - said abilities are as OP as Orion's. The World War event is basically a showcase of that. So yes, those abilities are there to move the plot forward rather than something to be honed. Otherwise why have the girls be portrayed as being able to curbstomp most players without a challenge? Why not show Nancy learning the ropes of ruling an empire instead of being able to wing it like it's nothing? Why show Luna already being able to summon something like Pyramid Head without so much as a flashback of her training? If these things don't exist as scenes, why demand Cari to put effort on Orion honing his?

Because Orion between main characters is the protagonist of this story, because of that, even the girls have better development than him, they have all there strongest point and flaws being shown to the player, as they are powerful it doesn't mean that they couldn't be challenge seriously, it's a reasonably balance on them, Nancy isn't doing all the the tactical job in WRE, she had other good players around her that support her as their leader as i mentioned before, they have just waited for someone like her (in fact, i remember that their past leader was sometimes their failure in some battles because his tendency to not listen and constantly demoralize them). Luna is shown as someone who have passed hours, even years in Eternum as Annie, so, both of them doesn't need to be shown how they get into their respective levels and power player they are because it's stated that they have a long time playing and refining their character in Eternum. But that's not the case for Orion, he's called "standard player of Eternum" which means that many ppl play that game not like Annie or Luna had, refining their skills, with deep understanding of their respective jobs (mage for Annie and summoner for Luna), but Orion? he's a fucking n00b pal!, and why many Eternum players fall against the girls? because many of them are like Orion, low level, with tendency to know the servers but play for the sake of the fun not to be the best character possible.

So? It still couldn't go toe-to-toe against Thanatos. Not to mention there are drawbacks that are hinted at based on Chang's assessment of his appearance in the real (in that he's starting to become corpse-like/wraith-like). Any power that Orion might be drawing now likely has a consequence that will be revealed in the future, so I disagree with the assessment that it's "broken" as you say.

Not to mention that's the point of it really: we're meant to uncover the mystery surrounding Orion's abilities through his escapades in Eternum, not through some training montage. This isn't fucking battle shounen, this is an adventure-mystery AVN ffs.

Yep, it is still a mistery to be uncover but a mistery that is being used by Orion that we as spectators don't know what limits Orion have found during his training or the conditions to be used, so, in the future without that knowledge we can expect to do anything that the story needs to. And because of that is broken, before v0.6 we could expect how it would manifest but not now.

Cari chose to prioritize that kind of growth in order to maximize the presence of the LIs with Orion, grow their bonds, and eventually have it lead to sexy moments. It's like people forget that even if this is a story-focused AVN, it's still a bloody AVN with 8 LIs that get rotated and focused on per update. No fucking shit Cari is going to prioritize that over anything else.

Also, I keep saying over and over, I do not mind any sort of character moment where they develop or instrospect or grow on their own. But if the scene detracts from the pacing of the story and doesn't contribute to the greater narrative (i.e. it doesn't lead to a sort of plot development or challenge in the future or something that leads to a lewd event), then it shouldn't exist.

And i said that it wouldn't lead to any of that? Didn't Caribdis showed sex between Orion and randoms characters and like two blowjobs inside Eternum? All the information about the Gems of Doom, Ulysses and whatever be can only be obtained inside Kredon? Isn't Eternum worldwide in Orion's reality?. The claim is that there was a timeskip that feels huge, like many things has happened after v0.5, so we can expect Orion act like a Gary Stu, and that would just inevitably help in move forward more quickly the story because he have now in hands a plot device.

 

[Dorfnutter]

Because Orion between main characters is the protagonist of this story, because of that, even the girls have better development than him, they have all there strongest point and flaws being shown to the player, as they are powerful it doesn't mean that they couldn't be challenge seriously, it's a reasonably balance on them, Nancy isn't doing all the the tactical job in WRE, she had other good players around her that support her as their leader as i mentioned before, they have just waited for someone like her (in fact, i remember that their past leader was sometimes their failure in some battles because his tendency to not listen and constantly demoralize them). Luna is shown as someone who have passed hours, even years in Eternum as Annie, so, both of them doesn't need to be shown how they get into their respective levels and power player they are because it's stated that they have a long time playing and refining their character in Eternum. But that's not the case for Orion, he's called "standard player of Eternum" which means that many ppl play that game not like Annie or Luna had, refining their skills, with deep understanding of their respective jobs (mage for Annie and summoner for Luna), but Orion? he's a fucking n00b pal!, and why many Eternum players fall against the girls? because many of them are like Orion, low level, with tendency to know the servers but play for the sake of the fun not to be the best character possible.

A noob that has dreamnt of Eternum at the beginning of the story even before he got himself a nerve implant, is mentioned by Idriel to have 100 percent compatibility, and was able to manifest his power the moment he stepped foot in Ogygia.

He was deemed special right at the very start, so that puts him effectively on par with the rest of the girls whether you like it or not (the only difference being that the origin of his abilities and recent growth remains a mystery).

Yep, it is still a mistery to be uncover but a mistery that is being used by Orion that we as spectators don't know what limits Orion have found during his training or the conditions to be used, so, in the future without that knowledge we can expect to do anything that the story needs to. And because of that is broken, before v0.6 we could expect how it would manifest but not now.

...You and I have a different definition of what "broken" is (that being something that's OP that has no obvious or potential or hinted drawbacks whatsoever) so I'm not even going to bother with this argument anymore. Believe what you will, I stand by what I said regardless.

And i said that it wouldn't lead to any of that? Didn't Caribdis showed sex between Orion and randoms characters and like two blowjobs inside Eternum? All the information about the Gems of Doom, Ulysses and whatever be can only be obtained inside Kredon? Isn't Eternum worldwide in Orion's reality?. The claim is that there was a timeskip that feels huge, like many things has happened after v0.5, so we can expect Orion act like a Gary Stu, and that would just inevitably help in move forward more quickly the story because he have now in hands a plot device.

It's worldwide but the way Cari has been telling the story since the start has ever been Orion's interactions with the girls, Idriel, and the entities that keep popping up in his own dreams. Thus, having an event that focuses on him going off on his own is likely never going to happen unless the sequence happens within an event where the LIs are present in the server or area (i.e. Haunted House event in Red Herring) or if its critical to the plot (i.e. a theorized scenario where Orion gets excommunicated and has to find his way back into the real world).

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

A noob that has dreamnt of Eternum at the beginning of the story even before he got himself a nerve implant, is mentioned by Idriel to have 100 percent compatibility, and was able to manifest his power the moment he stepped foot in Ogygia.

He was deemed special right at the very start, so that puts him effectively on par with the rest of the girls whether you like it or not (the only difference being that the origin of his abilities and recent growth remains a mystery).

Being special it doesn't mean with an ability that doesn't need to fulfilled conditions and can be used when it's required, he isn't par with them because they had to work hard on their character on Eternum, Orion has luck to had born special for Eternum, it's different.

...You and I have a different definition of what "broken" is (that being something that's OP that has no obvious or potential or hinted drawbacks whatsoever) so I'm not even going to bother with this argument anymore. Believe what you will, I stand by what I said regardless.

Cool.

It's worldwide but the way Cari has been telling the story since the start has ever been Orion's interactions with the girls, Idriel, and the entities that keep popping up in his own dreams. Thus, having an event that focuses on him going off on his own is likely never going to happen unless the sequence happens within an event where the LIs are present in the server or area (i.e. Haunted House event in Red Herring) or if its critical to the plot (i.e. a theorized scenario where Orion gets excommunicated and has to find his way back into the real world).

It's reasonably, nonetheless as Orion's was doing it on Eternum in UK and isn't impossible to see each other, it could but it wasn't, now that serves in silver plate for Orion's to succeed in next eventual challenges because no rules were defined.

 

[MagnusTempestus6]

The claim is that there was a timeskip that feels huge, like many things has happened after v0.5, so we can expect Orion act like a Gary Stu, and that would just inevitably help in move forward more quickly the story because he have now in hands a plot device.

I think you hit the nail on the head for why the timeskip was implemented in the end. A whole bunch of small things happening. Probably just didn't feel right to squeeze that in before the next big moment we see on screen. Was likely much easier to write this and make time for small moments elsewhere, even if the most recent progression felt more like big moments only. Who knows, maybe next update.

Orion has luck to had born special for Eternum, it's different

With the slightly menacing foreshadowing already given, it might be a bit premature to call his abilities lucky or a blessing without knowing how costly they really are.

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now that serves in silver plate for Orion's to succeed in next eventual challenges because no rules were defined.

Well, yes, kinda. Cari does like his occasional cliché here and there and it makes things easier in some situations. Does not have to be entirely bad, might be resolved in a funny way. But again, the "rules" and possible downsides may still come to light, just because they have not been established yet does not mean they aren't there. And as someone who enjoyed the theories surrounding Orion's abilities and such I'm quite convinced the silver plating will not look so silver once we get to know more. We will see

 

[RoseED]

I used to play a lot of games in this site but ever since Being a Dik came out I stopped playing because everything looked so lame next to it and I gave up on vn games beside it and until i heard about this one at first I thought one more game that will not get to my high expectation of Being a Dik but finally this game got me so engaged I love everything about it top level story great characters and I just cant wait to play more!

 

[Dragon59]

Who knew Alex's Zodiac animal was rabbit?

Does that mean she should cosplay as Usagi/Sailor Moon?

The claim is that there was a timeskip that feels huge, like many things has happened after v0.5, so we can expect Orion act like a Gary Stu, and that would just inevitably help in move forward more quickly the story because he have now in hands a plot device.

Gary Stu was new to me.

I've been using Marty Stu (for male Mary Sue) for years.

 

[Elhemeer]

Does that mean she should cosplay as Usagi/Sailor Moon?

Or the girl from the beginning of the Matrix ...

 

[HentaiGamerN00b]

Gary Stu was new to me.

I've been using Marty Stu (for male Mary Sue) for years.

Both are valid to describe a male Mary Sue in sex not gender terms

 

[Ungawa]

It's worldwide but the way Cari has been telling the story since the start has ever been Orion's interactions with the girls, Idriel, and the entities that keep popping up in his own dreams. Thus, having an event that focuses on him going off on his own is likely never going to happen unless the sequence happens within an event where the LIs are present in the server or area (i.e. Haunted House event in Red Herring) or if its critical to the plot (i.e. a theorized scenario where Orion gets excommunicated and has to find his way back into the real world).

That's... Bugging me still...

Why hasn't Orion been trying to talk to Idriel more?

He's had some crazy run-ins with her, and our boi got plot induced stupidity even though (IMO) he's been hitting the Idriel sauce three times.

First was when she flat out told him he wasn't asking the right questions.

Second was the heads/tails game.

Third is the shrooms at the party where she just rolls one up after he ate one up.

Yet here he is training and banging while not following that thread when it's in the background just about to slap him sideways...

And what's he thinking?

Spoiler: Probably right for Idriel

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[Elhemeer]

That's... Bugging me still...

Why hasn't Orion been trying to talk to Idriel more?

He's had some crazy run-ins with her, and our boi got plot induced stupidity even though (IMO) he's been hitting the Idriel sauce three times.

First was when she flat out told him he wasn't asking the right questions.

Second was the heads/tails game.

Third is the shrooms at the party where she just rolls one up after he ate one up.

Yet here he is training and banging while not following that thread when it's in the background just about to slap him sideways...

And what's he thinking?

Spoiler: Probably right for Idriel

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As you said, he does seem to have some plot-induced blind spots, like his dreams. I just file Idriel and the whole anti-Eternum dream cult in the same folders.