VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.5 Public] [Caribdis]

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pitao

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bitofaperv said:
It's going to rely on a person's taste.

I agree Caribdis writes near perfectly when it comes to technical elements like grammar, and word choice (astonishing for a non-native speaker), but overall, his writing is great because it is week-day sitcom level-of-professionalism in a sea of dog shit that would struggle to outgrade my middle school creative writing assignments.

That sounds like I'm knocking him, but I am not. Eternum is better than at least 7/10 of each new season of anime, it's better written than at least half of the American TV industry's output in the last five years.

However, there is no denying that he skips over important events (
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), and has trouble with what events he chooses to dramatise. Constantly on the lookout for a laugh, he often misses the low hanging fruit to have the reader feel more strongly about his characters.

I am making a few assumptions there. He might just disagree with me on what the most important element there is to focus on, and that's fine. I'd rather have the funny, and the drama, but it is what it is.

However, the point of the post you're quoting was to point out that Caribdis introduces easily a dozen plot holes in each update. He's obviously made the decision that "this is too cool to worry about it making this other thing incorrect," but internal consistency (or lack thereof) is a metric you can judge a writer on. I just pointed out how I turn off my critical brain reading Eternum because it makes the experience of reading it much-much more fun.
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Hehehe I agree with all that, but just the humor specially in Nova exaggerated dramatic reactions is so good that I end up really not care about the rest of the "team" reactions.

Anyway I really prefer Caribdis (aware or not aware) decision of keeping the tone very light and funny. Don't think drama suits much Caribdis writing personality and Eternum story and for my taste I have to be honest that I prefer it like this, not much fond of overly dramatic scenes in sci-fi/fantasy, can have some more serious scenes but comedy is still better imo.

About the plot holes and inconsistencies, well they always appear in sci-fi, it is inevitable in most stories of that genre and probably focus on them would detract what the author wants to tell to the viewers (maybe they want to tell, always look forward, don't look too far back :p :LOL: just kidding).

Imagine if I looked at The matrix trilogy focusing on the consistency of the whole story, still I love what the Wachowski sisters done with it, mostly shutting my brain in some parts but still enjoyed it a lot.
 
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Partomatic

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cayseron said:
honestly out of all girls following dalia's route seemed most jarring as its least immersive for me. I mean if you dont want to make a "spicy bet" then you lose her path. (meaning there is no romantic approach, you either keep her path by scummy loophole in bets and fucking her throat or you dont keep her at all) You wanna be good friend to Chang, you lose her path. (i mean granted, it was obvious that if you give the password to her private server that you'd lose her path, i am more disappointed in chang here than dalia as i did not expect chang to just bring everyone) You decide not to physically assault someone, you lose her path. (seriously, what is wrong with not wanting to be a criminal and still want to get a girl? unless i punch the person in front of everyone and risk going to jail i cant use that criminal act to manipulate Dalia into accepting loss regarding out bet and this is only way to stay on her path?) I feel like its batshit crazy that dalia just forgives orion for "taking a dip" in the cabin without consent considering how many little things just outright remove her from the path. In contrast Nova feels like only way to not be on her path is to outright be asshole. i mean only 2 places where i see you can stop being on her path without just playing as an asshole 100% of time is by not saving her and/or by asking for pizza in 0.7
I think as a character Dalia is S tier but as the character storyline i feel its very weird and poorly executed.
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Also don't forget the fact that you have to let her hit you in the bathtub to get a heart point while you're forced to perv. Yes, you can avoid it by walking out but it still left a sour taste in my mouth early on. Felt good to reject her in this update.
 
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Partomatic

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cayseron said:
did you choose not to have a spicy bet with her? or did you share the password to her server with chang? or did you decide not to punch the guy she fought in a boxing match? or did you not go with her to the cabin in the wild west server? honestly losing her path is so easy, ironically only thing you can do that does not cost you her path is borderline R word which is fucked up
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I don't think this is true, the "cabin dip" choice will set both
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  $ daliapath = False
  $ daliau = False
Which pretty much means you're locked out of her path.
 
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Geralt From Rivia

Geralt From Rivia

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bitofaperv said:
It's going to rely on a person's taste.

I agree Caribdis writes near perfectly when it comes to technical elements like grammar, and word choice (astonishing for a non-native speaker), but overall, his writing is great because it is week-day sitcom level-of-professionalism in a sea of dog shit that would struggle to outgrade my middle school creative writing assignments.

That sounds like I'm knocking him, but I am not. Eternum is better than at least 7/10 of each new season of anime, it's better written than at least half of the American TV industry's output in the last five years.

However, there is no denying that he skips over important events (
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), and has trouble with what events he chooses to dramatise. Constantly on the lookout for a laugh, he often misses the low hanging fruit to have the reader feel more strongly about his characters.

I am making a few assumptions there. He might just disagree with me on what the most important element there is to focus on, and that's fine. I'd rather have the funny, and the drama, but it is what it is.

However, the point of the post you're quoting was to point out that Caribdis introduces easily a dozen plot holes in each update. He's obviously made the decision that "this is too cool to worry about it making this other thing incorrect," but internal consistency (or lack thereof) is a metric you can judge a writer on. I just pointed out how I turn off my critical brain reading Eternum because it makes the experience of reading it much-much more fun.

EDIT: And honestly, sometimes its sheer stupidity is what makes it so fucking hilarious; so I don't think I'd want it any different.
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I think you're right in your original answer: don't think too much.
You start digging, looking for flaws, plot holes, thinking that this is the writer's gap or he will answer this question later? And why is that? And what happened to that storyline? Or maybe not everything is so good? Relax and enjoy it, this is the best option, you're right.
Fortunately, Caribdis is good at immersing the player, creating an atmosphere, choosing the right soundtrack - I would say perfect, I only know two AVNs developers besides him who can choose music well. Wow! moments that conquer with their epicness or appeal to the player's emotions/empathy. The player's passion for this, as well as tons of references to pop culture - top marks. He knows how to captivate the player, and the writing doesn't have to be at the level of Conan Doyle.
 
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Vendrik Valgar

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are there any save files specifically from the 7.0 version, my PC got hard reset yesterday

please I'm begging anybody here and I would thank you and love you forever

I don't want to start over I've memorised the plot from those versions because I restart too many time
 
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