oh no, we're getting technicalities involved. That's my queue to drop the conversation cuz it ain't worth it anymore. Sorry, but her slamming her hips down on a large flesh spike is still her getting the "shit fucked out of her", regardless of whether she's doing more of the moving at first or not.
if she is in charge and controls the rhythm and force, then no she didn't get the shit fucked out of her.
doesn't mean she can't enjoy it. maybe that's what you meant then ? enjoying it that much is getting the shit fucked out of her for you ?
yeah, i just replayed the game once more and paid closer attention to find what i had in mind and as i already posted before (you probably just missed it) i clearly missremembered things and they all meshed up together. she never said she fooled around, she actually said she would never give someone bj just to kickstart her carrier, but then later during verita serum she explains how she waits for prince charming and in meantime just playing around with fingers and vibrators, and also when you just learn that her "boyfriend" is just an inside joke between her and hers gay friend she actually says she does not have time for relationships. Closest that is actually stated is that she actually had one boyfriend but it wasnt serious. still i have no confirmation that she was virgin and after replaying the lambo scene i doubt that she was, nobody would act so casual about it on their first time (talking about her teasing and way she was proposing it like its regular tuesday for her and not first time)
yeah, it's very vague for Penny.
and Alex has zero detail.
during the flashback, Penny seemed quite fond of boys. she might have been the queen of the prom in senior year, and could have just given it up to her date then, like most popular girls cliché. She could have learnt her lesson afterwards and toned down the cringy slutty vibe. just like she did it for her instagram.
if she had a boyfriend, there is a chance she lost it with him too. though she said it's not serious, it could just mean her feelings towards him, and still enjoy casual sex.
when she is in the mall with her friends, she is an obvious party girl, and they expect her to be at every party. she probably pulls tons of people with her like that. though she doesn't sleep around (anymore?) and just plays with herself waiting for the right guy. she also didn't want to show herself to valentino even though it would be great for her modeling career, so we can speculate she wouldn't show herself to random guys either now. she does show herself to a girl durig the party though for a dare, if I remember right.
also, if she was a virgin, with all the attention from creeps in her DMs she got, she would not be that casual about giving it up to a pervert like MC
there are two things that Nancy said that could also be clues :
first is that Nancy basically wants to evaluate potential guys for her daughters (speaking mainly about MC) to see if they are good enough. and she implies, to flirt, that she would check even their performance in bed. so that may mean that Penny never found a "good enough" guy.
she also said in this update that MC is the girls first love (except for herself) so none of the girls have fallen in love before.
and one unspoken rule in AVN is that good girls don't lose their virginity without being in love
from all that we can only speculate.
Since we're talking about Alex's or Penny's virginity again, I'll echo someone else's thought that Caribdis purposely didn't give a direct answer in the game about it.
We're explicitly told that the other girls (except Nancy, of course) are virgins, but nothing 100% accurate about Alex or Penny.
And this is done intentionally so that each player draws their own conclusions, because there are players who believe that LI's no virginity is 200% NTR
Like, Alex is a girl who hates her father and does everything to piss him off, from constant swearing and rude behavior, to getting tattoos all over her body.
She is very open and sexy (it's not hard for her to fall for Orion's ploy and do a little striptease showing her tattoos in chapter 2, or to give a blowjob standing 5 steps away from her father in chapter 4).
It's highly unlikely that such a girl has had no sexual experience at all in the past.
Or Penny, the school's first beauty and Miss “Instagram's Best Tits”, loves to party and hang out, and is trying to pursue a modeling career. In addition, Penny is already at university, and she is 20, not 18, as most of the other girls. Was she also sitting around waiting until our boy Orion came back to town?
Again, unlikely.
but that's if you're trying to use the logic of the normal world, but since we're discussing a porn game, it's possible that all the girls are virgins (even Nancy).
yeah, the anti-NTR bannermen are really annoying sometimes.
Nancy being a virgin would have been hilarious though. Just to see how the fans would react.
I mean the unspoken rule of adult games dictate that unless mentioned otherwise, the girls are virgin although I think their virginity are open to interpretation. Personally don't think Penny was a virgin, she had a boyfriend and seemed like a party animal in college. Her behaviour towards sex was also pretty clear from start and knew she wanted it hard but again her scene during veritaserum imply she wasn't just getting laid and just relied on toys.
For Alex, I think it's unlikely due to her personality, she is just someone very confident both in her body and personality and was also very closed off. She probably also saw everything wild going on the high class parties and probably even made out with someone to piss off her dad. Doubt she had went all the way with anyone tho, the "just the tip" excuse made it clear. She wanted to not lose charge to Orion despite being vulnerable for her first time.
Again it can be argued otherwise too and doubt Cari is gonna ever confirm or deny it and not something that matters lol.
Alex could have had sex with a guy just to piss her father off too. hate fuck
indirect revenge fuck ? maybe even the tatoo artist to add to his ire xD
I think the whole vigin debate is pointless, cause it doesn't ruin their characters or change them in anyway, it isn't something that is talked about all the time in game, its just something that dosn't really matter imo. Its something only the person playing can judge and perceive for themselves.
I personally believe Penny and Alex are virgins, but if someone perceives it a different way, so be it. The game doesn't change, the story stays the same, and the beautiful relationships with the girls are still amazing no matter what you think on this subject.
to me, it doesn't matter if they are virgins or not, what matters is their backstory that goes with it.
how was their love/sex life before the story began ? what trauma does that leave them with now ? how it will affect and explain their current behavior towards MC and other people ?
anything that will add depth to the characters, really. so I think it does change the game, but I hope it's for the best.
Yes ofc cari was tiptoing the line and did not want to cross it but in both scenes there were multiple times that i was reading it and girls were trying to stop or slow down due to change of circumstances that it felt like orion was still pushing too hard. granted not once did i feel like he would push too far, but it did feel jarring that update started with orion realizing he needs to change his way and then during these scenes i personally felt like he did not really learn lesson at all, that is what i tried to point out. i did not think that either scenes were distasteful or poorly executed.
I honestly didn't feel it like you did. maybe I was too lazy when I read those scenes.
and though he wanted to change after his near death, it doesn't mean the change will happen overnight, or that it will affect how he acts during sex.
Thats obvious, his biggest fear is that Nova will lose interest in him and stop hacking into his life so by not seeing her inside his dream that in itself is his biggest fear. im just joking though, i remember there is a scene somewhere in early chapters where he outright forbids nova to hack into his personal life and that she should trust him and just ask anything she wants to know as he would willingly share the information anyway and hacking just feels like breech of trust. But joke aside i think sentiment is there. Not to mention with how Nova operates if she wants someone out of her life its safe to assume they would never be able to hear from her or about her again, she would just dissapear from her life in a way that she could never be retraced again. it comes with the job of being a hacker.
that's an interesting POV.
I was just thinking that Nancy and Nova were missing in the dream because MC wanted to get back to them knowing they were just next to his body. and even if Nancy is mentioned in the nightmare, it's mainly the broken relationship with her daughters.
this i dont know, maybe i am forgetting something but can you share any examples of when did nova and annie spend lot of time together, i wish to read those scenes again.
in 0.7, MC and Luna are at the coffee shop, and Annie arrives because she was supposed to meet Nova just after to spend time together. Nova just called her after noticing she didn't have her drawing kit at home and forgot it at the Carter's house the night before, and Annie anticipated it and was bringing the items to their meeting spot for her showing some kind of bond forming already.
in 0.8, Annie made the chibi recap, and she did it while she was with Nova who was drawing a manga. there might have been some stuff before, but I'm too tired to remember
yooooo, i like the idea. Having Luna turn full DOM like how Penny turned full SUB would be dope. She is already into horror and freaky shit. I think whips and leather would be too far but i would love to see some biting and nail scratches as she gets lost in the moment.
especially since she lived all her life at the mercy of others, and at the mercy of her curse, without any control. getting some form of control in the bedroom could be interesting for her character.