VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.5 Public] [Caribdis]

[Craysser]

Likely because unlike the other girls she has little to no dedicated side events and all of her events are basically in service to the main plot (whether it be infodumping the backstory of her lineage to being a main component in Orion's quest for the gems). Even our time in Hyril'ar in 0.9 will likely be main plot focused that'll be rife with infodumps and not a sidetrip like, say, Dalia's competition or Penny's photoshoot.

exactly. thats why she is just a side girl not a main one. she is a plot device, a tool, a "weapon of atlas"

 

[wiseold6996]

Does Calypso have a scene in this update?

 

[AffreuxProlapse]

Does Calypso have a scene in this update?

Sadly not, but next one for sure. You'll see.
Honestly, I barely care if one of my favorites are getting a scene or not at this point.
They're all so good.

 

[Dorfnutter]

exactly. thats why she is just a side girl not a main one. she is a plot device, a tool, a "weapon of atlas"

To you, maybe. Cari seems to have a differing idea as to what a "side girl" is based on the quote I screenie'd.

 

[Darreau91]

Likely because unlike the other girls she has little to no dedicated side events and all of her events are basically in service to the main plot (whether it be infodumping the backstory of her lineage to being a main component in Orion's quest for the gems). Even our time in Hyril'ar in 0.9 will no doubt be main plot focused that'll be rife with infodumps and not a sidetrip like, say, Dalia's competition or Penny's photoshoot.

Calypso is an event herself and don’t need side plot devices to move to development along. As you said your self she is tied to the main plot and it don’t get more main girl energy than that.

Check and mate

 

[DangDing]

On serious note, Calypso is not part of the harem but she is crucial component for the best ending. I mean it was spelled out to us from the very beginning she is a weapon. If Cari wanted her to be part of harem and was planning to postpone her joining harem for this long he could have easily put another girl with ? over sillouette to tease readers. The fact that 0.8 comes with brand new design of girl bios and calypso is still on the same level as maat and eva as "others" is another proof that she is not main girl.

On the contrary, I have an exact opposite idea that she's the default girl Orion can always have an ending with, even if he fails every girl's path, the fail-safe LI. Plus, with the amount of scenes she's in (and that 0.8 ending), it's hard not to consider her as a main girl.

 

[Craysser]

To you, maybe. Cari seems to have a differing idea as to what a "side girl" is based on the quote I screenie'd.

screenshot proves that my definition of side girl is different from cari's definition. But nowhere in that screenshot do you have a confirmation that calypso is main girl. If anything, i can use that screenshot to prove that calypso is not even side girl but just a plot device thus further downgrade her posibilities of being main girl

Calypso is an event herself and don’t need side plot devices to move to development along. As you said your self she is tied to the main plot and it don’t get more main girl energy than that.

This train of thought i like. Calypso being tied to main plot giving off main girl energy is the strongest angle i've read so far and i like it
i dont have a good retort to this at the moment but ill remember it and fight back if possible after 0.9

 

[Craysser]

On the contrary, I have an exact opposite idea that she's the default girl Orion can always have an ending with, even if he fails every girl's path, the fail-safe LI. Plus, with the amount of scenes she's in (and that 0.8 ending), it's hard not to consider her as a main girl.

by that logic, if someone is scripted to be on orion path no matter what doesnt that make her consolation prize? "even if you fuck up your chances with every other girl calypso is still there to pick their sloppy seconds aka orion". it does not give main girl energy, its gives participation trophy vibe

P.S. btw guys, i love calypso i dunno how i got into this position but i never back down from being devils advocate lmao

 

[DangDing]

by that logic, if someone is scripted to be on orion path no matter what doesnt that make her consolation prize? "even if you fuck up your chances with every other girl calypso is still there to pick their sloppy seconds aka orion". it does not give main girl energy, its gives participation trophy vibe

It doesn't have to be a sloppy second though. Like, in OIAT, there is Etereum ending if you fail every LI on purpose. Perhaps, there will be a unique ending with Calypso by failing every LI, as well.

 

[Craysser]

It doesn't have to be a sloppy second though. Like, in OIAT, there is Etereum ending if you fail every LI on purpose. Perhaps, there will be a unique ending with Calypso by failing every LI, as well.

apples and oranges. we were not comparing oiat and eternum, we were discussing if scripting someone to end up with orion no matter what (cant lose her path) makes her most important or least important girl

 

[Pillepalle]

If she doesn't get her own relationship tab by next update I have a hunch she will die close to the end of the story.

And whatever happens I doubt she would be part of the happily after harem like the other seven girls.

 

[Craysser]

If she doesn't get her own relationship tab by next update I have a hunch she will die close to the end of the story.

And whatever happens I doubt she would be part of the happily after harem like the other seven girls.

thats what i've been saying. she is not going to be part of the happy harem ending, she is the weapon orion needs to use in order to get that happy ending. In fact all 3 weapons of atlas will be used in aid of orions pursuit of his canon happy harem ending. He will sooner or later need to defeat thanatos one way or another to get gems of doom and in the same time gain the sword that can cut through everything, by being on nova's path he has power of dione by his side and calypso is third weapon. These "weapons of atlas" will all be used and potentially destroyed by the end of the game, meaning calypso sacrifice herself to save all the npcs, save idriel, break the chains etc. etc. etc.

 

[Dorfnutter]

If she doesn't get her own relationship tab by next update I have a hunch she will die close to the end of the story.

And whatever happens I doubt she would be part of the happily after harem like the other seven girls.

Or she replaces Idriel as the Lady of Eternum once the latter passes into the great beyond like the other trapped NPCs once Acheron is opened. That also works.

 

[DangDing]

meaning calypso sacrifice herself to save all the npcs, save idriel, break the chains etc. etc. etc.

If the writer is DrPinkCake, yeah it's possible, but I doubt Cari would write Calypso off, judging from her popularity. But hey, I don't mind being shocked if the twist is pulled well.

 

[Dorfnutter]

If the writer is DrPinkCake, yeah it's possible, but I doubt Cari would write Calypso off, judging from her popularity. But hey, I don't mind being shocked if the twist is pulled well.

Nah, if Cari is DPC then harem would not exist and Orion will be forced to save only one girl from being excommunicated/getting shanked by Wyatt near the end of the game.

 

[Steuan]

I dunno what exactly we are discussing here but I think everything is crystal clear. Caribdis has stated that many times before, and we shared the proofs already. There are 8 girls in harem and Caly is one of them. I mean, yeah she may not be in your own lore but that's not our business. I never understand Caly haters.

For the cultured Caly fans, I'd like to share all three 4K official wallpapers of her. You may miss them.

Long live The Princess!

 

[dargdd]

can u pls give the split links? sorry i am new here , cant find it. whats the actual quality difference compressed and this

 

[Craysser]

I dunno what exactly we are discussing here but I think everything is crystal clear. Caribdis has stated that many times before, and we shared the proofs already. There are 8 girls in harem and Caly is one of them. I mean, yeah she may not be in your own lore but that's not our business. I never understand Caly haters.

For the cultured Caly fans, I'd like to share all three 4K official wallpapers of her. You may miss them.

Long live The Princess!

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again, i love calypso but i have to play devils advocate so my response to all calypso simps will be
"how are you using the screenshot where cari literally says "7 main girls" as proof that calypso is 8 just because he added in brackets "(and a half? if you count calypso)". i mean even in the "proof" that you guys say you provide cari never says she is 8th main. in fact that very screenshot shows cari stating as clear as it could possibly be that there is 7 main girls. its verbatim.
but he adds "and a half" if YOU want to count calypso, meaning that even if you want to think of her as main girl, in cari's eyes she is half the main girl others are at best, and somehow you guys think cari is confirming she is main girl and we are haters for reading what he says properly and not foolishly looking into it and misinterpreting it"

that being said, i have no hate for calypso, i hope we get another scene with her in 0.9 but in the bigger picture i am not seeing her actually moving outside the "others" page and getting her own path as she is not a romance option or part of harem. Girls are reward for making right choices, Calypso is just a plot moving device

 

[Craysser]

so am i blind and not reading this right? it says "we have 7" last i checked 7 is not 8
and then it follows with "and a half?" the question mark being there to show cari's confusion as if why would anyone do that. so even if he were to "side" with calypso simps and count her he still hold his ground and only counts her as half.
that is again further emphasized by saying "equally important" so if calypso is equally important as other 7 why would he say half and not "or 8? if you count calypso" inside the brackets. Also, not to state the obvious but cari also points out how 7 is already a lot, how do you guys still think he is secretly trying to turn calypso into 8 to make his job even harder

 

[Dorfnutter]

how do you guys still think he is secretly trying to turn calypso into 8 to make his job even harder