Silvallié

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Idriel might bring more light into this we already know that he's in a loop like Subaru from Re: Zero she definitely has more informations since he keeps on forgetting everytime.
 
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yes but that is true on the topic of clones. but if you split in half and feel/think/experience everything both halfs do and then when you get back into one full version you, you maintain memories of those feelings, thoughts and experience then its not clone, its you. if you split in two and one half dies, you lose that half of you forever (theoretically speaking, ofc we would need cari to confirm or deny if that is how it works but its safe assumption) so both parts are objectively "you". how is it still NTR then?
It is simply the divide in will. If the split creates a being seperate from you, if it has it's own agency, can think and act alone, then you don't control it. Therefore it is a seperate person; it may be identical to you, but it is another you, not you.

If you do control it then you are one being, one 'soul', with two bodies. If you don't then you and this new 'clone' are seperate beings, seperate 'souls'.

That is the line which makes it NTR in my opinion.
 

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Another thing that wasn't really talked about yet, is the fact that Orion is low looked for by the police.
That's prolly either gonna get dropped like the pedo guy not showing up since the Blackridge adventure or certain elements are going to unwittingly get caught in the investigation that Orion will be forgotten (i.e. police managing to track him down to his school only for them to shift targets or abort once they spot Raul and Noah).

Idriel might bring more light into this we already know that he's in a loop like Subaru from Re: Zero she definitely has more informations since he keeps on forgetting everytime.
Do we? Because most of her and the Syndicate's talk could also be construed as prescience/foresight, which is something the Greek myths are big on (and this game has a lot of Greek myth references sprinkled throughout the story).
 

ramvivat

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It seems to me that MC can also pull Calypso into the real world, using his trick when he brought girls into the world of Eternum. Maybe this skill of his works both ways?
 
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Silvallié

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Do we? Because most of her and the Syndicate's talk could also be construed as prescience/foresight, which is something the Greek myths are big on (and this game has a lot of Greek myth references sprinkled throughout the story).
It's how I understand it but I didn't knew about the prescience/foresight thing in Greek myths.
In the Rome server when you don't give the guy some money he told us the previous ones didn't do that.
Same for the merchant and his statues who already knows why you're here and the fact that we never bought from him until we finally do.
The little girl before the heist tell us that they always tried but always failed until they found the right time to give us the letter.
Idriel and her break the chain talk and her last interaction when she tell us that we always try to find a way out but it seems like the void fights back.
And the first connections flashes to Eternum (it was a pain to time it right).
With the extra knowledge you gave me I probably think too much.
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That's prolly either gonna get dropped like the pedo guy not showing up since the Blackridge adventure or certain elements are going to unwittingly get caught in the investigation that Orion will be forgotten (i.e. police managing to track him down to his school only for them to shift targets or abort once they spot Raul and Noah).
Might be, but it could also be an angle for William to go after him in the real world.
 

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It's how I understand it but I didn't knew about the prescience/foresight thing in Greek myths.
In the Rome server when you don't give the guy some money he told us the previous ones didn't do that.
Same for the merchant and his statues who already knows why you're here and the fact that we never bought from him until we finally do.
The little girl before the heist tell us that they always tried but always failed until they found the right time to give us the letter.
Idriel and her break the chain talk and her last interaction when she tell us that we always try to find a way out but it seems like the void fights back.
And the first connections flashes to Eternum (it was a pain to time it right).
With the extra knowledge you gave me I probably think too much.
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Prescience isn't limited to seeing the future, but could also cover the idea that the person who saw it may have lived through it and is using the knowledge of said events to affect the present. Considering that Idriel's true self is trapped in Limbo (and possibly the Syndicate members as well) and based on the infodump about that place (being able to exist beyond normal time and space), it could well be that it's them who are stuck in some sort of loop and is therefore aware of things that may come to pass, not Orion.
 
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the look on their faces when satisfying fucks are given

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Let's be honest, all the scenes are top tier. I like the threesome song more and more as I listen to it.
To be honest, I've decided to take a subscription to Cari after playing the update.
Been following since 0.5, time to make it right.

Prescience isn't limited to seeing the future, but could also cover the idea that the person who saw it may have lived through it and is using the knowledge of said events to affect the present. Considering that Idriel's true self is trapped in Limbo (and possibly the Syndicate members as well) and based on the infodump about that place (being able to exist beyond normal time and space), it could well be that it's them who are stuck in some sort of loop and is therefore aware of things that may come to pass, not Orion.
Then they must have seen every possible outcome, no ? What will change this time ? Has it already been changed in a significative way ?

Maybe all the immortals have a part in this. Maybe Idriel don't count on Orion's prowess alone ?
But Thanatos says "we" excluding Orion.
Ah Idriel is so enigmatic, I don't even know if she's an ally anymore to be fair.
 
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Dorfnutter

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Then they must have seen every possible outcome, no ? What will change this time ? Has it already been changed in a significative way ?
If the words of Idriel back at the College Party and that Syndicate member back in the Valley of Kings were any indication, one could construe that something is starting to change at least. Remains to be seen why they would pin their hopes on Orion of all people, but it's plausible that that may be explained in a future update (if not the next update).
 

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It is simply the divide in will. If the split creates a being seperate from you, if it has it's own agency, can think and act alone, then you don't control it. Therefore it is a seperate person; it may be identical to you, but it is another you, not you.

If you do control it then you are one being, one 'soul', with two bodies. If you don't then you and this new 'clone' are seperate beings, seperate 'souls'.

That is the line which makes it NTR in my opinion.
what makes it NTR is the presence of girl cheating on you. NTR aka netotare is a cheating fetish. if girl would not do it with anyone but orion then its not cheating and its not NTR. that is where my line is. we simply dont see eye to eye on it so "agree to disagree"
 
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Yeah characters like Penny, Alex who have future career plans will need two endings. I wanna see Alex reach the Olympics with the gang cheering for her more than pregnancy tbh
i feel like they will get carrier ending if they are not on orion's path.
orion interested in dalia = date and/or pregnancy (depending of pick) or part of harem (same for all other girls) / orion not interested in dalia = she focus on her training and finally defeats micaela
Alexandra wins the swimming olympics and takes over william's place in ulysses because we can assume with certainty that orion is killing his ass or at least ruining to the point where they cant recover their position in ulysses and lets be honest, william being replaced with Alex is karma at its finest and also going full circle.
Penny becomes model, luna takes over uncle's business (i know its random but i really want to see it lmao :D) and nova, i guess nova just becomes depressed if she is on orions swipe left list and disappears XD
 
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