VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.5 Public] [Caribdis]

[Filipis]

So, I was thinking about this at work, because you know, when am I not thinking about Eternum, and I had a thought.

Branching would make sense under one condition - that it increased the total number of scenes per release. How, you ask.

I’m not an expert, but I believe that once you set up a certain render or animation, i.e. pose the characters, set up the lighting, etc. it’s not that hard or time consuming to re-run that render/animation with another character skin. So our two branching scenes would be the same scene... just with a different LI skin. Minimal increase to development time, but now you get to pick which of the girls you want.

I agree that branching will be a welcome addition if the total amount of scenes increased per update, but not of it “locks” a sex scene behind save-scumming.
Eternum is a kinetic harem, there’s barely any quantitative benefit to branching content.

If this poll ends in favour of branching, then the fans over at Patreon haven’t really thought this through and just assume that they’ll get more total scenes = more total cooming opportunities… even if you’ll have to reload saves to get them.

 

[ModernDegenerate]

It is demanding and intense but if, if you like it (and not everybody does), it can be good once in a while. If the other person knows what they're doing. And you also know what you're doing. And there's enough trust. And you're careful. And have prepared for it.

Anal is also a bit trickier in Honey Select because the collider options aren't nearly as robust as they are for the vagina. I certainly haven't seen a way to avoid really bad clipping, but I also have a suspicion that Cari's animator is using software outside of HS studio neo, so they might have a way of getting around it.

 

[jvbatman]

She did blow Orion in 0.7, but was off-screen (it happens when he eye twitches as Valentino approaches)

I can't jerk it to offscreen bjs.

 

[Takkatakka]

it doesnt affect the plot

As I wrote: This is both wrong and bad at the same time.

It is wrong, because it HAS to affect the plot insofar as to Orion has to prefer one girl over another, which breaks the premise of the whole story that he not only doesn't want to choose but also that he just can't choose, because they are all equally dear to him.

Also: If it doesn't "affect the plot"...why have it in the first place? Why not have two separate scenes with each of the girls in the same update instead of artificially block one of the scenes off? He has to write and render them anyway and if they don't mean anything for the plot it doesn't make sense to do it in the first place.

(It also didn't for the Penny/Luna episode by the way. That was completely pointless as well.)

 

[shucia]

As I wrote: This is both wrong and bad at the same time.

It is wrong, because it HAS to affect the plot insofar as to Orion has to prefer one girl over another, which breaks the premise of the whole story that he not only doesn't want to choose but also that he just can't choose, because they are all equally dear to him.

Also: If it doesn't "affect the plot"...why have it in the first place? Why not have two separate scenes with each of the girls in the same update instead of artificially block one of the scenes off? He has to write and render them anyway and if they don't mean anything for the plot it doesn't make sense to do it in the first place.

(It also didn't for the Penny/Luna episode by the way. That was completely pointless as well.)

It doesnt change the course of the main plot not about the girl, its the same in FF7 Rebirth that i've been playing now regardless of who you date at the gondola based on your action it doesnt change the main course of the story, agree with having a separate scenes is better as i dont like branching but i also get it if Caribdis want to created this branching for trying to make the game not completely kinetic or whatever in his mind. its not like you have to completely replaying the game from the start just to see the scene you only have to save at the start of the branching to see both scene so i just find it ridiculous that people complaining about this while they have a game that has a real branching on their signature for example.

 

[Takkatakka]

It doesnt change the course of the main plot not about the girl, its the same in FF7 Rebirth that i've been playing now regardless of who you date at the gondola based on your action it doesnt change the main course of the story, agree with having a separate scenes is better as i dont like branching but i also get it if Caribdis want to created this branching for trying to make the game not completely kinetic or whatever in his mind. its not like you have to completely replaying the game from the start just to see the scene you only have to save at the start of the branching to see both scene so i just find it ridiculous that people complaining about this while they have a game that has a real branching on their signature for example.

It is easy: Some games are about branching and making "a" choice (or multiple) and some games aren't. Eternum very clearly is the latter, hence the harem canon run and branching would torpedo his own narrative as I pointed out above. It indeed DOES change the course of the plot...it actually changes the plot as a whole and not for the better.

 

[shucia]

It is easy: Some games are about branching and making "a" choice (or multiple) and some games aren't. Eternum very clearly is the latter, hence the harem canon run and branching would torpedo his own narrative as I pointed out above. It indeed DOES change the course of the plot...it actually changes the plot as a whole and not for the better.

To each their own then, the werewolf scene for example doesnt change the main plot imo regardless of which path you choose the outcome is still the same. we just have a different view to that.

 

[Takkatakka]

To each their own then, the werewolf scene for example doesnt change the main plot imo regardless of which path you choose the outcome is still the same. we just have a different view to that.

There is no different view. If there is a scene in which Orion has to choose one girl over the other, the story is changed irreparable. It might not be an explicit change, but it sure is an implicit one in a game that is about the MC not being able to choose.

 

[shucia]

There is no different view. If there is a scene in which Orion has to choose one girl over the other, the story is changed irreparable. It might not be an explicit change, but it sure is an implicit one in a game that is about the MC not being able to choose.

Like i said i treat the scene is the same with FF7 for example where both Aerith and Tifa are important and regardless of who you've got at the gondola date the course of the story doesnt change, Aerith still dies and the story move on chasing Sephiroth, and Eternum also the same regardless of which path you take it doesnt change the main plot. you said its change the plot but for me isnt at all and no one can change my opinion on that.period

 

[Takkatakka]

Like i said i treat the scene is the same with FF7 for example where both Aerith and Tifa are important and regardless of who you've got at the gondola date the course of the story doesnt change, Aerith still dies and the story move on chasing Sephiroth, and Eternum also the same regardless of which path you take it doesnt change the main plot. you said its change the plot but for me isnt at all and no one can change my opinion on that.period

FF7 is a pointless comparison, it isn't a harem game in which the canon ending is to end up with both, because one dies anyway and the other one doesn't.

 

[MagnusTempestus6]

Well, it's been 5 pages of discussion\debate about "branching" now.
Surely this has to be one of the most contested things ever suggested in this game, which almost everyone universally loved before.
That's quite a stark contrast.

True, but it is also quite strange to be added to the game. Not only has it been a narrative point that Orion can't choose (for the canon route at least) but it also has been a point that he would have to treat them all equally. I would have to check again, but I'm certain it had been spelled out quite clearly in the recent updates.
And that is where some people went and I can totally understand that, being one of them. It was made literally a narrative point only to be then worked around with split paths now. Not my game, but still enough of a contrast to comment on.
As in there is totally things it conflicts with but what would it actually bring?

 

[Amnezziia]

I'm really curious to see the arguments on Patreon/Discord even if they are probably the same ones that were stated here and especially the state of the vote at the end.
If it's almost 50/50, like it was the last time I saw it here, I'm also curious to see how Cari will react

 

[whatone]

I'm really curious to see the arguments on Patreon/Discord even if they are probably the same ones that were stated here and especially the state of the vote at the end.
If it's almost 50/50, like it was the last time I saw it here, I'm also curious to see how Cari will react

That's where I see the main problem he has invited.
Whichever group don't get their preferred way, will likely be a bit pissed off.
It would've been far better for his game & his fans if he had never suggested something so divisive.

 

[Amnezziia]

That's where I see the main problem he has invited.
Whichever group don't get their preferred way, will likely be a bit pissed off.
It would've been far better for his game & his fans if had never suggested something so divisive.

Yes, that's what I said about the Penny/Vampires and Luna/Werewolves choice. That choice shouldn't have existed in the first place and unfortunately it could continue on that path.

But yes, implementing the vote result will displease half of his community that currently pays for the game, because I imagine it's only accessible to those who pay. This all seems like a bad move

 

[Daermon420]

Caribdis has consistently delivered top tier work for years now. If he thinks the pacing would be better with a split I trust his judgment. Especially if you're not cut off the girl you didn't choose route, like many other games would. I'm sure I'll enjoy whatever he cooks up regardless.

 

[MagnusTempestus6]

Just about every single other one has been welcomely & widely accepted.
This one is fiercely contested.

And that was kinda the point I tried to make. Maybe that wasn't too clear

And in my opinion so far the narrative of the wholesome harem had largely only been added to and even the werewolf/vampire split was already very strange in that regard.
And that's where I see the tension coming from, this poll (or rather it's currently likely result) just straight up doesn't fit with the vibe of the narrative so far and I seem to not be the only one who thought that. So it didn't surprise me that this one stirred the pot so much actually.

And yes I agree, making the poll was a bit of a mistake. It would likely have been even less of a problem had Cari just done it instead of made the poll about it. That only gives time for fronts to harden. But now we gotta see how it turns out I guess. At the moment I trust.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

unfair.

For who?

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

She did blow Orion in 0.7, but was off-screen (it happens when he eye twitches as Valentino approaches)

You´re right, she totally did. I just had a flashback to the sloppy sounds while Orion was checking the door. But I need to see it.

I can't jerk it to offscreen bjs.

Exactly!

 

[Opa Wants]

You´re right, she totally did. I just had a flashback to the sloppy sounds while Orion was checking the door. But I need to see it.


Exactly!

It's called mental masturbation.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

It's called mental masturbation.

I´m old school, I think I still prefer the visual stimulation. This game LI´s are made to be seen.