VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.5 Public] [Caribdis]

[Dorfnutter]

We don't know much about the Limbo

We know at the very least that time doesn't exist there (as per Idriel's explanation), which sounds to me like you can basically stay there indefinitely and still return in the real world without time advancing. Hence the reason why some of us are proposing that Orion could stay there for a good while (but not long enough that it would take up half or the entire update).

We've also seen the cliffhangers get resolved very quickly.

0.3 and 0.4 didn't resolve theirs THAT quick. If anything this latest cliffhanger could be like 0.3 where we dedicate a quarter or an eighth of story time at the beginning to resolve it. And frankly, considering that Orion kinda needs enough time to understand he fucked up and needs a kick in the nuts to get his head out of his ass, I feel like that's warranted.

 

[Takkatakka]

No, we don't. If anything it sounds more like a "Bioshock: Infinite" scenario where Idriel is aware of multiple runs happening simultaneously and has seen all of them end in failure (and yet is still pinning her hopes on our run for reasons that might be explained in the future). The lore dump about Limbo supports this, as a dimension that exists outside of time and space means that the general laws do not apply and you can theoretically see everything everywhere all at once (heh). Not to mention the "heads or tails" question has been presented in Infinite as well, which means we could be dealing with the same scenario (albeit hopefully the outcome is a lot more optimistic compared to that of Infinite's).

We don't know, what kinda loop it is or if there are like clones are different Orions from different dimensions (that's, why left that kinda open), but I don't think they are happening simultaneously, since the coin example seems to indicate that there is one attempt after another, just as you would throw one coin again and again and not 1,000 simultaneously. But we will see.

 

[VaderExMachina]

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Great idea to have them in one place, but don't you want to add these banners from Thorin's post? So the archive is complete.

It probably wouldn't be on this site - but I didn't search for a development thread. I did run across a couple of things related elsewhere though.

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Totally requesting this to be added to the OP

 

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So the new one will likely be Dalia, if that patch actually contains her birthday.

 

[Dorfnutter]

We don't know, what kinda loop it is or if there are like clones are different Orions from different dimensions (that's, why left that kinda open), but I don't think they are happening simultaneously, since the coin example seems to indicate that there is one attempt after another, just as you would throw one coin again and again and not 1,000 simultaneously. But we will see.

It's not clones. It's basically different realities happening simultaneously, but with different choices made, different permutations, but same outcome. However, there is basically ONLY ONE reality that we're focusing on, which is our POV. Again, kinda like Infinite.

Again tho, the heads and tails question exists in Infinite (down to "heads" happening more often than usual when a flip is made), and that definitely didn't focus on a timeloop but rather "constants and variables," how despite divergent choices and multiple alternate realities there seems to be a "fixed" outcome of events that leads to a whole lot of suffering, and the overall story is the two protagonists' quest to break that outcome. Which is not that far off from what seems to be happening at the moment (and what Idriel wants Orion to do).

See, this is why I said earlier in this thread that Limbo's existence basically opens a can of worms regarding the story. Cause the existence of a realm displaced by time and space basically allows the possibility of what I've mentioned above to happen (even more so if you have a character that is essentially a dead ringer for a "blind seer" archetype to be trapped there).

 

[VaderExMachina]

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I can believe I'm saying that but 0.5 it shouldn't have been Nova again.

 

[Takkatakka]

See, this is why I said earlier in this thread that Limbo's existence basically opens a can of worms regarding the story. Cause the existence of a realm displaced by time and space basically allows the possibility of what I've mentioned above to happen (even more so if you have a character that is essentially a dead ringer for a "blind seer" archetype to be trapped there).

That is not really the main point of my posting though. That's why I don't really care what kinda loop or parallel dimensions it is. The point rather was that Orion really screwed up big this time and that might be the simple reason why Idriel might be angry at him. Like he was so far the most promising of...whatever it is and pissed it all away. Her best horse in the race, so to speak.

 

[Dorfnutter]

That is not really the main point of my posting though. That's why I don't really care what kinda loop or parallel dimensions it is. The point rather was that Orion really screwed up big this time and that might be the simple reason why Idriel might be angry at him. Like he was so far the most promising of...whatever it is and pissed it all away. Her best horse in the race, so to speak.

Thing is I don't really get that vibe from the dialogue. To me it sounds like someone saying:

"Oh noooo, you screwed up!! Too bad, guess everything is gonna end now!! And to think I was rooting for you!! It's not as if I've been telling you all this time to defy fate and move forward or anything so that you can be motivated to get up there and prove me wrong!! Guess I'll just leave you now!!

...Teehee."

And then when Orion DOES survive this, she'll be like "Oh would you look at that!! Guess there's hope for you after all!! " as if she didn't plan all of it or foreseen it.

 

[Takkatakka]

Thing is I don't really get that vibe from the dialogue. To me it sounds like someone saying:

"Oh noooo, you screwed up!! Too bad, guess everything is gonna end now!! And to think I was rooting for you!! It's not as if I've been telling you all this time to defy fate and move forward or anything so that you can be motivated to get up there and prove me wrong!! Guess I'll just leave you now!!

...Teehee."

And then when Orion DOES survive this, she'll be like "Oh would you look at that!! Guess there's hope for you after all!! " as if she didn't plan all of it or foreseen it.

Sure, could be...might be...I just wanted to point out a potential alternative.

 

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Wait, Dorfnutter, is that true?

 

[Elhemeer]

Alright, my good deed for the day is done ...

 

[Dorfnutter]

Wait, Dorfnutter, is that true?

I...can't recall.

Nancy is definitely a descendant of elves, right? She mentions early on that her grandma just stopped aging around 60. And Calypso tells us at the ball that her people stop aging around 60 years old too.

When exactly was this mentioned?

 

[Machete]

We really need a sex scene with Aspen.

 

[Takkatakka]

We really need a sex scene with Aspen.

Again: no

 

[Opa Wants]

Not just a sex scene, Wine her, Dine her, Then Sixtynine her

 

[Opa Wants]

Come on Takkatakka it's only a joke K?