VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.6 Public] [Caribdis]

[TeeEight]

Music restoration isn't gonna remove stuff like the Andromeda music in 0.8 which Cari said was AI generated from the start...



...nor is it going to remove AI music that'll likely be used for the next updates moving forward (though that likely will be supplemented with some commissioned works), especially now that royalty free music publishers are starting to become hostile towards AVN devs using their music for adult-oriented work (which was why they sent the CnD to Cari and why he had to change the music to begin with). /shrugs

Shit... I wonder if there's a way to remove the AI stuff. I'd rather have no music than have ai music honestly.

 

[housekinokuni1974]

you're not telling me the superb songs on the lewd scenes are gonna disappear, nooooooooo

 

[TeeEight]

Ah i misunderstood some stuff, 8.6 is when most of the music got removed, although apparently some 8.0 had some AI music slop in it? Damn. Guess i shouldnt look for a copy of 8.6.

 

[Padorublad3]

you're not telling me the superb songs on the lewd scenes are gonna disappear, nooooooooo

Here is why
https://f95zone.to/threads/eternum-v0-8-5-public-caribdis.93340/post-16165105
And here is the table of replaced tracks

For anyone who is curious I have pulled apart the Eternum files and created a spreadsheet of all the changed tracks (I'm fairly sure I found all of them as I used software to compare old files and new files and also cross referenced both versions of the game). I consolidated all my finding in a spreadsheet which has the original track name from the 0.8 version of the game, the tech name that the game files use for any of you techies who might want them and also a short description of where in the game the track can be found (SPOILERS BEWARE).

I saved the spreadsheet to a Google Sheet here is the link

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ALSO AS CARIBDIS THEMSELVES HAS ALREADY STATED:
Please refrain from reaching out to any artists, commenting on YouTube videos, or creating Spotify

 

[Dorfnutter]

Ah i misunderstood some stuff, 8.6 is when most of the music got removed, although apparently some 8.0 had some AI music slop in it? Damn. Guess i shouldnt look for a copy of 8.6.

Just the one, I think. It's likely that Cari was already thinking about using AI to supplement Eternum's soundtrack (tho prolly 1 - 2 tracks per update) but the recent CnD made him switch gears.

 

[housekinokuni1974]

Here is why
https://f95zone.to/threads/eternum-v0-8-5-public-caribdis.93340/post-16165105
And here is the table of replaced tracks

thx guys

 

[Nemetis]

Ah i misunderstood some stuff, 8.6 is when most of the music got removed, although apparently some 8.0 had some AI music slop in it? Damn. Guess i shouldnt look for a copy of 8.6.

The only slop here is your useless whining, homus.

 

[UncleFappy]

The only slop here is your useless whining, homus.

Nearly five years of silence and this is what you choose your first post to be.

Kinda love it.

 

[bolenart]

Is there a way to make it so that future updates are released as a patch that adds content to the already downloaded game? That way anyone who has the old version with the original music would keep that, and the content from 0.9 and onwards would contain non-copyrighted music that doesn't get Caribdis in trouble. That way Cari would also keep his hands clean, as the only versions available for download on itch and patreon etc. are the "clean" versions (0.8 after the music has been replaced, and 0.9, 0.10 etc. as patches with allowed music). OG fans could then come to f95zone etc. and find the original 0.8 with the real music if they so desire.

 

[DanieruXwX]

Ah i misunderstood some stuff, 8.6 is when most of the music got removed, although apparently some 8.0 had some AI music slop in it? Damn. Guess i shouldnt look for a copy of 8.6.

Tbh ai music is better than images or videos, for a unique atmosphere and copyrights this slops can be very useful and handy for devs..

 

[TeeEight]

Tbh ai music is better than images or videos, for a unique atmosphere and copyrights this slops can be very useful and handy for devs..

I still think, i'd rather have none and wait until he can hire a composer or at the very least just use a royalty free placeholder. I still like Eternum but the fact that AI is present on this is staining it. If Caribdis has no choice but to use AI then he has no choice. Its on me for not knowing sooner that he's started adding AI shit.

 

[elbo911]

I still think, i'd rather have none and wait until he can hire a composer or at the very least just use a royalty free placeholder. I still like Eternum but the fact that AI is present on this is staining it. If Caribdis has no choice but to use AI then he has no choice. Its on me for not knowing sooner that he's started adding AI shit.

You wouldn't even have known unless told. It's just background music.
Do you also grow your own food and make your own clothes because technology is evil? Otherwise I don't see your issue really.

 

[TeeEight]

You wouldn't even have known unless told. It's just background music.
Do you also grow your own food and make your own clothes because technology is evil? Otherwise I don't see your issue really.

Technology has its place and just because I don't like AI doesn't mean I'm a luddite like you're implying. AI has its place and if I had the choice to not experience or have it in something, I'm taking the opportunity. Especially if its on an otherwise decent piece of art. My issue is the fact that AI is considered comparable to Art and that it uses the hardwork or effort of actual people and if that isn't enough, AI is terrible for the environment too.

 

[Daermon420]

I still think, i'd rather have none and wait until he can hire a composer or at the very least just use a royalty free placeholder. I still like Eternum but the fact that AI is present on this is staining it. If Caribdis has no choice but to use AI then he has no choice. Its on me for not knowing sooner that he's started adding AI shit.

I'm generally not a fan of ai either but given what happened here I can understand the choice to use it.

My issue is the fact that AI is considered comparable to Art and that it uses the hardwork or effort of actual people and if that isn't enough, AI is terrible for the environment too.

It's not like this is taking away work from actual people since few actual composers are okay with their music being used in an adult game. That's why he's in this mess to begin with. So what else can Caribdis do? He could forgo adding music altogether but I personally think that would be a bad decision, since well chosen tracks add a lot to a scenes atmosphere. I also wouldn't expect him to master music composition and create his own tracks from scratch. As long as the music doesn't sound awful and fits the scenes I'm fine with it.

Given how well the music choices previously fit the scenes in this game, it seems like Caribdis has a good sense for that. So I'm cautiously optimistic it'll turn out okay at worst, with potential to even turn out good. I guess we'll find out eventually.

 

[TeeEight]

I'm generally not a fan of ai either but given what happened here I can understand the choice to use it.

I absolutely agree. I don't have any issues with Caribdis personally and I even get why he did it.

It's not like this is taking away work from actual people since few actual composers are okay with their music being used in an adult game. That's why he's in this mess to begin with. So what else can Caribdis do?

Commissioning was the first thought that came to mind but I get that that's probably not as feasible.

So I'm cautiously optimistic it'll turn out okay at worst, with potential to even turn out good. I guess we'll find out eventually.

Everything I've heard seen so far is that that Caribdis might lean into it. Like I said, I get it. Still, for now. I'd like the option to remove the AI stuff if I can. Given it's 8.5 and only two piece of music are AI I think? I'd be able to just probably remove/delete the file from the music folder. Probably.

 

[Fastbuck]

welp how long till complete?
Last time i played it was 5.0 18 months ago

 

[Darreau91]

welp how long till complete?
Last time i played it was 5.0 18 months ago

3-4 years.

 

[Daermon420]

Commissioning was the first thought that came to mind but I get that that's probably not as feasible.

Yeah, I shudder to think at what it would cost to commission an original soundtrack for this game. Especially given any professional before taking the commission would look up the project, see what happened and know that Caribdis would have few alternatives. They would have a lot of bargaining power to ask for a damn fortune to do it. I know I would in their shoes.

 

[Kraxen]

Ah i misunderstood some stuff, 8.6 is when most of the music got removed, although apparently some 8.0 had some AI music slop in it? Damn. Guess i shouldnt look for a copy of 8.6.

I wouldn't call it "slop", the background tracks are basically indistinguishable from regular ones and the proper songs (like ones used for sex scenes) are also decent, if a bit bland compared to their originals. I mean hell, I've even seen some people prefer the AI ones. Ideally, Cari wouldn't need to use AI, but at this point, it's gotten good enough to be passable. Also, AI music is obviously better than no music and I can't see why you would ever prefer to play the game in silence (besides some bogus ethical/environmental reasons).

 

[TeeEight]

I wouldn't call it "slop", the background tracks are basically indistinguishable from regular ones and the proper songs (like ones used for sex scenes) are also decent, if a bit bland compared to their originals. I mean hell, I've even seen some people prefer the AI ones. Ideally, Cari wouldn't need to use AI, but at this point, it's gotten good enough to be passable. Also, AI music is obviously better than no music and I can't see why you would ever prefer to play the game in silence (besides some bogus ethical/environmental reasons).

I already play with little to no volume a lot of the time when I game and only started paying attention to the songs around the first Dalia Scene and first Alex Scenes. If I removed any AI music from the game, I'd likely wouldn't be able to tell. And the fact that it's 'a bit' bland is a pretty good reason not to want it seeing it as you think my claim is bogus. I prefer nothing to bland, souless and lacking any creativity or effort. The fact that its barely indistinguishable makes it even worse. I'm not saying Caribdis will do this but it'd be pretty easy for him to just half-ass stuff and rely more and more on AI. But I'm digressing, clearly we're going to disagree. At least I've got some idea on what to expect for Update 0.9.