VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.6 Public] [Caribdis]

[tooldev]

Don't get me wrong, I certainly do not want a meaningless fuck fest. Pornhub exists.

All I'm saying is that if you're going to make a porn game, you should make a porn game. You can do so with characters and story being important and deep. You can have a slow burn, you can take the time, but you can also make it so the LIs have more that 3 scenes, with 1-2 of those scenes being teasing with no actual sex. It just seems to me like this game is close to done. Unless the game is much longer, or the Dev jams in a ton of scenes with each girl in the back half of the game, this game will not meet standards set by other big titles. Nothing necessarily wrong with that... If your dream is to make a 2-3 star porn game, great, dream achieved.

I love the serious game part of this game. Take out what little porn there is and slap it on a non-adult site, It'd be 5 stars. Problem is, it's a porn game. There are expectations set not only by the dev's previous game, but by all the other big successful games. Imagine if in Once in a Lifetime, you only got 2 scenes with each LI, and one was just teasing. It would still be a great regular VN, but a terrible porn game.

I believe that one statement pretty much sums up the misconception of many including yourself: Adult Game does not mean Porn Game. There are gradients like with anything else in life. 'Adult' ranges from almost innocent romantic stuff all the way up to steamy things like xx shades of something. As there is Soft Porn which is still age restricted.

 

[Phase_01]

Whenever I see people complain when there's not enough sex scenes in an adult game, or when an AVN dev tries to make their game less like a porn game and more like an adult game, I wonder if they're the type of people to search "Game of Thrones sex scenes" online without watching the show

 

[Dorfnutter]

Don't get me wrong, I certainly do not want a meaningless fuck fest. Pornhub exists.

All I'm saying is that if you're going to make a porn game, you should make a porn game. You can do so with characters and story being important and deep. You can have a slow burn, you can take the time, but you can also make it so the LIs have more that 3 scenes, with 1-2 of those scenes being teasing with no actual sex. It just seems to me like this game is close to done. Unless the game is much longer, or the Dev jams in a ton of scenes with each girl in the back half of the game, this game will not meet standards set by other big titles. Nothing necessarily wrong with that... If your dream is to make a 2-3 star porn game, great, dream achieved.

I love the serious game part of this game. Take out what little porn there is and slap it on a non-adult site, It'd be 5 stars. Problem is, it's a porn game. There are expectations set not only by the dev's previous game, but by all the other big successful games. Imagine if in Once in a Lifetime, you only got 2 scenes with each LI, and one was just teasing. It would still be a great regular VN, but a terrible porn game.

You must be new to the genre if you think that AVNs should maximize sexual content to count itself as an AVN.

Nevermind the fact that Japanese AVNs or Eroges from the early 2000s era and before focus a lot more on the story with very - and I mean VERY - few sex scenes in them. Games like the original version of "Fate/Stay Night" with the uncut sex scenes, "G-Senjou no Maou," and "Full Metal Daemon: Muramasa" come to mind.

Also no, this game is not close to being done.

 

[gigigigi88]

Hi everyone, I tried to find the here similar error but I couldn't. Here's the trace:

```
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/script3.rpy", line 4531, in script
call screen scrollwarthogs with dis
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 569, in execute_call_screen
store._return = renpy.call_screen(name, *args, **kwargs)
File "game/screens.rpy", line 2012, in execute
File "game/screens.rpy", line 2012, in execute
File "game/screens.rpy", line 2015, in execute
File "game/screens.rpy", line 2019, in execute
File "game/screens.rpy", line 2019, in keywords
File "game/screens.rpy", line 2019, in <module>
NameError: name 'OO00O0000OO0O0000' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "game/script3.rpy", line 4531, in script
call screen scrollwarthogs with dis
File "renpy/ast.py", line 2009, in execute
self.call("execute")
File "renpy/ast.py", line 1997, in call
return renpy.statements.call(method, parsed, *args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/statements.py", line 278, in call
return method(parsed, *args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 569, in execute_call_screen
store._return = renpy.call_screen(name, *args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/exports.py", line 3057, in call_screen
rv = renpy.ui.interact(mouse="screen", type="screen", roll_forward=roll_forward)
File "renpy/ui.py", line 298, in interact
rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3276, in interact
repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, pause=pause, pause_start=pause_start, **kwargs)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3693, in interact_core
root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 567, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 567, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 567, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 567, in visit_all
d.visit_all(callback, seen)
File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 432, in visit_all
callback(self)
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3693, in <lambda>
root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 443, in per_interact
self.update()
File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 631, in update
self.screen.function(**self.scope)
File "game/screens.rpy", line 2012, in execute
File "game/screens.rpy", line 2012, in execute
File "game/screens.rpy", line 2015, in execute
File "game/screens.rpy", line 2019, in execute
File "game/screens.rpy", line 2019, in keywords
File "game/screens.rpy", line 2019, in <module>
NameError: name 'OO00O0000OO0O0000' is not defined

 

[Axtrix010]

just can't get enough

 

[sexypeanut]

It just seems to me like this game is close to done. Unless the game is much longer, or the Dev jams in a ton of scenes with each girl in the back half of the game, this game will not meet standards set by other big titles. Nothing necessarily wrong with that... If your dream is to make a 2-3 star porn game, great, dream achieved.

The game will reach at least the 0.12 update, which means 5 updates and more or less between 2 and 3 years. There's a lot of story yet to be told.
And why every single AVN must meet the standards set by other games? I rather have a game like Eternum than a BaDIK or Summer's Gone that will never be completed.

 

[Dorfnutter]

Why does it have to be one or the other. It seems like most people are saying the game can either have a great story and characters, or a lot of sex; not both. Why not both?

I mean there are plenty of people outside these forums that are vocal with the idea of playing this game WITHOUT the porn, so...

Also as I've posted the dev himself had said that he wanted to focus on the story more so than ramping up the lewds. People like that he's focusing more on the story even at the cost of number of lewds.

In fact he's already mentioned on his Discord channel that once we hit the threesomes not every possible combination will be touched upon if the story didn't provide the setup/foreshadowing for it. Really goes to show where his priorities lie.

 

[Darkdevil66]

Why not both? Are you seriously saying that if characters like Nancy or Nova, who have very little sex content beyond teasing,

What do you mean very little sex content beyond teasing ? Both had intense lewds in the recent updates, Nancy is even the first girl to get the full package in the real world. At this point they don't have less sexual content than Alex, Penny or Annie.

I get that some people would enjoy that each love interest get a scene in every update but It not only would mean more work to put but it would also diminish the expectations for the next scene and become a bit redundant after a while. Waiting ( as long as it's reasonable ) is part of the pleasure in a sense

 

[Dorfnutter]

I'm hoping each main LI gets at least 3-4 total sex scenes, as in actual sex, in addition to the 1-2 scenes of teasing they all have.

Yeah good luck with that.

 

[Dorfnutter]

Nova also has only one sex scene, with the first two scenes being teasing. The second tease being total blue balls, like Nancy's first scene, which in my opinion is a cardinal sin in a slow burn AVN. When things finally spice up, NEVER put on the breaks full stop. That is poor writing.

Sounds like a "you" problem to me than actual fact, considering that you've been very vocal so far that you want more lewds despite the story not always supporting the matter (such as the case of the scenes you've criticized as "blue balling" when the reasons for those are basically fair/can't be helped).

 

[sexypeanut]

Why does it have to be one or the other. It seems like most people are saying the game can either have a great story and characters, or a lot of sex; not both. Why not both? Are you seriously saying that if characters like Nancy or Nova, who have very little sex content beyond teasing, had their lewd content end at what is already in the game that you would be fine with that? No one would be upset, even a little?

I never implied one or the other. But it seems that your number of optimal h-scenes differs from ours. How many would you like?

I'd settle for like 5 per character, but I know it might not reach that number. The story conditions who gets a sex scene and how many of those. I rather have a game with great story and sex scenes that make sense than one filled with them but that matter little to the big picture.

 

[LemmeFapNow]

So its possible we gonna take Luna and Dalia virginity in the next update

 

[sexypeanut]

We're at about the half way point, assuming the game ends at 1.4. My worry is that due to the larger cast of main LIs, as opposed to only having 3 in the dev's last game, that characters who it would make sense to have more sex scenes, won't end up getting them.

AFAIK, OIALT only had 2 main LIs (the sisters). All the others were SIs.

So its possible we gonna take Luna and Dalia virginity in the next update

Dalia, pretty much so. Luna? Doubt it.
IIRC, the main contenders for h-scenes are Nancy, Dalia, Annie and probably Calypso.

 

[VaderExMachina]

So its possible we gonna take Luna and Dalia virginity in the next update

Dalia? absolutely!

Luna? unlikely...

 

[Takkatakka]

I'm more worried about the opposite by now: That Cari will feel obligated to put in scenes that don't really flow well with the story just to fulfill a certain scene count per update (which seems to be between 3 and 4 by now).

Also this is a slow cooker and we're only around roughly two thirds through the story. So obviously the amount of sex scenes will be rather back-loaded. By now slightly more than half the girls have crossed that particular Rubicon, with Dalia and Annie likely crossing theirs in the next update, which would leave only one LI without a full scene (keeping the best for last and all that ). So comparing it to OiaLT, we will see probably a lot of scenes in future updates and every girl will likely get at least 3-4 more scenes, depending on the number of overall upgrades, average scene counter per update and number of threesomes this can even rise to 5 or more. And considering you'll be able to get ALL the scenes in one good playthrough compared to games like BaDIK in which you end up missing out on 70% or more of scenes depending on your path...that should be enough for everybody.

 

[bolenart]

Yeah good luck with that.

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Not sure if I misunderstand your point but if you do the math; with 5-7 updates left, and 3.5 lewd scenes per update, and with quite a few of those being threesomes, that ends up being 3+ proper sex scenes per girl in the end.

On another note; I somewhat agree that blue-balling scenes like that with Nancy in the baths and Nova at the party can be infuriating, but I don't care as much since we've gotten lewd scenes elsewhere in the very same updates. I do think that if you release shorter updates and the only scene(s) in an update are these blue-balling scenes, that would be a mortal sin of AVN-making.

 

[Takkatakka]

On another note; I somewhat agree that blue-balling scenes like that with Nancy in the baths and Nova at the party can be infuriating, but I don't care as much since we've gotten lewd scenes elsewhere in the very same updates. I do think that if you release shorter updates and the only scene(s) in an update are these blue-balling scenes, that would be a mortal sin of AVN-making.

Teasing the player with those scenes is the point of those scenes anyway. It also is a good way of aligning the feelings of the MC with the feelings of the player...can we call that "feelings"? You know, what I mean...

 

[Dorfnutter]

Nope, my point is totally valid. There are tons of ways to write a scene not being able to go all the way to sex, without making the audience think sex is going to happen, and then pulling the rug out from under them. That is a cheap trick, and bad writing.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. You think it's bad writing, I think it's a valid technique to build anticipation since it's being used in a lot of AVNs. And it'll likely be used by Cari again in the next game, as is tradition.

Not sure if I misunderstand your point but if you do the math; with 5-7 updates left, and 3.5 lewd scenes per update, and with quite a few of those being threesomes, that ends up being 3+ proper sex scenes per girl in the end.

Point being it's possible that we'll have an uneven number amongst the girls in the end. Also there's the fact that Caly is counted as an LI but it's more than likely she only gets fewer scenes compared to the main LIs (and I don't think she'll join any sort of threesome either).

 

[bitofaperv]

Why does it have to be one or the other. It seems like most people are saying the game can either have a great story and characters, or a lot of sex; not both. Why not both? Are you seriously saying that if characters like Nancy or Nova, who have very little sex content beyond teasing, had their lewd content end at what is already in the game that you would be fine with that? No one would be upset, even a little?

It doesn't have to be one or the other - if you're okay waiting twice as long, or more, for updates.

Honey Select is a ball ache for animations. I'm pretty good with blender, but the finicky nature of IK and FK, along with the only dope sheet options being mods, make HS2 really long winded to animate in. It IS much better than DAZ for the output (with mods), but is ridiculously time consuming to make custom animations.

I recently spent a whole day, outputting just two 3 second animations in HS2. If you want a good scene, it will take weeks to produce the same "playtime" you would get from a couple of days of writing and posing static renders.

There has to be some balance, and priorities set. These games cannot build teams. Developers are lucky to have a partner to work with - and Caribdis even sacrifices his own profit to employ an animator to keep dev times reasonable (as of the last two updates).

What you are asking for is unreasonable, until the profit for making one of these games actually allows for a real business. There are two guys making enough that that would be possible, and they're both dick holes.

 

[indio68]

still no update?? damn....how long does it take...