VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.6 Public] [Caribdis]

[jock1a]

WOW i must say i am nowhere near the level of thought you all have put into the lore of this avn,however i want to insert my shallow thoughts nonetheless. IMO this update was the best by far. And it is evident that the skill level of Caribdis has improved expedientialy. Whether that is because there is a new 3D artist or just his skill has increased either way it is awesome. And if he did hire a new 3D artist it was the right decision IMO. The story was always good,and this update was next level. I didn't care much for the whole office scene on the way to the island of the dead. I must confess i clicked through that but that is ok. I know this is a shallow comparison at best,but i must say i enjoy this AVN more than Being a DIK and i will be supporting Caribdis from this point on. It matters little to me how much he is making as i think Good artist are few and far between. The world would be a much better place if we rewarded the people that can create things that make people feel good. Instead of Oil barrens becoming billionaires for raping the earth we live on and taking advantage of everyone they can. Sorry to interject my shallow thoughts at this point but after playing this update i had to say something. As a last thought i enjoy the banter between you guys so keep it up. Your differing opinions give me food for thought so my small feeble mind doesn't have to figure it all out.

 

[Krytax123]

Yes ofc cari was tiptoing the line and did not want to cross it but in both scenes there were multiple times that i was reading it and girls were trying to stop or slow down due to change of circumstances that it felt like orion was still pushing too hard. granted not once did i feel like he would push too far, but it did feel jarring that update started with orion realizing he needs to change his way and then during these scenes i personally felt like he did not really learn lesson at all, that is what i tried to point out. i did not think that either scenes were distasteful or poorly executed.

I disagree, imo there is a very clear change in Orion's behavior after the "change".

Just compare the annie scenes before to this one of him taking her virginity. At least if you go the right way (continuing the foreplay), hes waaay less pushy than he was before.

And trying to paint him demanding/pushy in the alex scene is kinda ridicoulus.

 

[Craysser]

I disagree, imo there is a very clear change in Orion's behavior after the "change".

Just compare the annie scenes before to this one of him taking her virginity. At least if you go the right way (continuing the foreplay), hes waaay less pushy than he was before.

And trying to paint him demanding/pushy in the alex scene is kinda ridicoulus.

Yeah, i am known to exaggerate when trying to get my points across because why not lmao so its understandable if you think alex thing is ridiculous. But even though i do exaggerate the things i still stand behind how i feel because there is a difference between objectivity and subjectivity. Yes objectively i know i am going too far when bringing alex scene, but personally i dont care. When they get transfered into colliseum and Alex loses her leverage she is in shock and asks Orion to stop but he ignores her words because "new pose feels too good". thats just facts. I am not saying that just because that happened its bad or that because its part of her scene that orion did not learn anything or did not change at all. I am saying that i personally did not like it because of the way it made ME feel when reading the scene. That is not a comment on the writing, its comment on the things i focus on. So its ok to say that its ridiculous for me to exaggerate to the extent that i did, but dont say its ridiculous that i think there are parts that made me feel uncomfortable in said scene

 

[-R1ck-]

so........ Good Friends (Annie's Song) is an original song for the game?

 

[Redd23]

so........ Good Friends (Annie's Song) is an original song for the game?

Kinda looks this way, especially since Cari uploaded it on his yt channel

 

[Dorfnutter]

On serious note, Calypso is not part of the harem but she is crucial component for the best ending. I mean it was spelled out to us from the very beginning she is a weapon. If Cari wanted her to be part of harem and was planning to postpone her joining harem for this long he could have easily put another girl with ? over sillouette to tease readers. The fact that 0.8 comes with brand new design of girl bios and calypso is still on the same level as maat and eva as "others" is another proof that she is not main girl.

 

[Opa Wants]

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Sorry but Elmo has got me

 

[Craysser]

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hmm, on one hand you prove my point that she is half the character othe girls are but on the other hand you disprove my direct quote that she is not main girl. I still feel like i was proven wrong somehow

 

[Krytax123]

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hmm, on one hand you prove my point that she is half the character othe girls are but on the other hand you disprove my direct quote that she is not main girl. I still feel like i was proven wrong somehow

I feel like calypso is only not a part of it to "hide" her importance.

Until this update we simply werent sure if she is a real or a digital being. Only the cliffhanger proved that she is very likely a real existing being. Otherwise it would have been like calling a bot your girlfriend

She and her people could even be the origin of life on earth but at least seem to be the origin of the immortals, we dont know a lot so far.

 

[Dorfnutter]

hmm, on one hand you prove my point that she is half the character othe girls are but on the other hand you disprove my direct quote that she is not main girl. I still feel like i was proven wrong somehow

Likely because unlike the other girls she has little to no dedicated side events and all of her events are basically in service to the main plot (whether it be infodumping the backstory of her lineage to being a main component in Orion's quest for the gems). Even our time in Hyril'ar in 0.9 will no doubt be main plot focused that'll be rife with infodumps and not a sidetrip like, say, Dalia's competition or Penny's photoshoot.

 

[Craysser]

Likely because unlike the other girls she has little to no dedicated side events and all of her events are basically in service to the main plot (whether it be infodumping the backstory of her lineage to being a main component in Orion's quest for the gems). Even our time in Hyril'ar in 0.9 will likely be main plot focused that'll be rife with infodumps and not a sidetrip like, say, Dalia's competition or Penny's photoshoot.

exactly. thats why she is just a side girl not a main one. she is a plot device, a tool, a "weapon of atlas"

 

[wiseold6996]

Does Calypso have a scene in this update?

 

[AffreuxProlapse]

Does Calypso have a scene in this update?

Sadly not, but next one for sure. You'll see.
Honestly, I barely care if one of my favorites are getting a scene or not at this point.
They're all so good.

 

[Dorfnutter]

exactly. thats why she is just a side girl not a main one. she is a plot device, a tool, a "weapon of atlas"

To you, maybe. Cari seems to have a differing idea as to what a "side girl" is based on the quote I screenie'd.

 

[Darreau91]

Likely because unlike the other girls she has little to no dedicated side events and all of her events are basically in service to the main plot (whether it be infodumping the backstory of her lineage to being a main component in Orion's quest for the gems). Even our time in Hyril'ar in 0.9 will no doubt be main plot focused that'll be rife with infodumps and not a sidetrip like, say, Dalia's competition or Penny's photoshoot.

Calypso is an event herself and don’t need side plot devices to move to development along. As you said your self she is tied to the main plot and it don’t get more main girl energy than that.

Check and mate

 

[DangDing]

On serious note, Calypso is not part of the harem but she is crucial component for the best ending. I mean it was spelled out to us from the very beginning she is a weapon. If Cari wanted her to be part of harem and was planning to postpone her joining harem for this long he could have easily put another girl with ? over sillouette to tease readers. The fact that 0.8 comes with brand new design of girl bios and calypso is still on the same level as maat and eva as "others" is another proof that she is not main girl.

On the contrary, I have an exact opposite idea that she's the default girl Orion can always have an ending with, even if he fails every girl's path, the fail-safe LI. Plus, with the amount of scenes she's in (and that 0.8 ending), it's hard not to consider her as a main girl.

 

[Craysser]

To you, maybe. Cari seems to have a differing idea as to what a "side girl" is based on the quote I screenie'd.

screenshot proves that my definition of side girl is different from cari's definition. But nowhere in that screenshot do you have a confirmation that calypso is main girl. If anything, i can use that screenshot to prove that calypso is not even side girl but just a plot device thus further downgrade her posibilities of being main girl

Calypso is an event herself and don’t need side plot devices to move to development along. As you said your self she is tied to the main plot and it don’t get more main girl energy than that.

This train of thought i like. Calypso being tied to main plot giving off main girl energy is the strongest angle i've read so far and i like it
i dont have a good retort to this at the moment but ill remember it and fight back if possible after 0.9

 

[Craysser]

On the contrary, I have an exact opposite idea that she's the default girl Orion can always have an ending with, even if he fails every girl's path, the fail-safe LI. Plus, with the amount of scenes she's in (and that 0.8 ending), it's hard not to consider her as a main girl.

by that logic, if someone is scripted to be on orion path no matter what doesnt that make her consolation prize? "even if you fuck up your chances with every other girl calypso is still there to pick their sloppy seconds aka orion". it does not give main girl energy, its gives participation trophy vibe

P.S. btw guys, i love calypso i dunno how i got into this position but i never back down from being devils advocate lmao

 

[DangDing]

by that logic, if someone is scripted to be on orion path no matter what doesnt that make her consolation prize? "even if you fuck up your chances with every other girl calypso is still there to pick their sloppy seconds aka orion". it does not give main girl energy, its gives participation trophy vibe

It doesn't have to be a sloppy second though. Like, in OIAT, there is Etereum ending if you fail every LI on purpose. Perhaps, there will be a unique ending with Calypso by failing every LI, as well.

 

[Craysser]

It doesn't have to be a sloppy second though. Like, in OIAT, there is Etereum ending if you fail every LI on purpose. Perhaps, there will be a unique ending with Calypso by failing every LI, as well.

apples and oranges. we were not comparing oiat and eternum, we were discussing if scripting someone to end up with orion no matter what (cant lose her path) makes her most important or least important girl