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I'm not sold on this idea simply because that'll put Idriel in a position of too much power. If she can literally reset the universe until she gets what she wants, why are we needed? Specifically us? Why interact with us anyway if all she has to do the moment we step out of one path that she needs us to walk - rollback/reset. Why does she have to make a point many times about the whole thing being rigged? As in "99 times the coin lands on heads" and "after all the knocks the door still doesn't open". To me this looks like she's not in control almost at all.
This also doesn't explain our connection to Calypso. Cuz if you've been paying attention, the powers we get - we get either from her, or due to a connection to her of some sort. What's special about her to imprison her? What's special about us?
Ah but what if, the one who put us in this situation was ourselves? Idriel probably your trusted assistant entrusted with a certain power
 

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And what do you mean whats special about us? Aside from a massive hog, we got rizz and demon time powers
Powers we didn't have even a sliver of until we got point blank to the box that contained Calypso and powers we lost when hers were drained and she was in coma. As for dicksize and whatever the other thing means - something tells me that's not "one in the whole world" case.
 

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Ok, been trying to look for the answers before asking myself, but been looking through over 20 pages, cant find it, wtf are the answers to the elf interrogation/execution trial, you cant expect someone to remember lore for a porn game after 6+ months waiting for the next update, its stupid and i just wanna progress to the next scenes, not fail over and over again being forced to retry till i magically press the correct answers randomly. Not to mention there are 13 things you got to get right, so stupid
Use walkthrough mod, no need to use the cheats if you don't want just use the walkthrough but it doesn't work when you have to click like when you had to fight in the arena when Nancy took over. Also it's a renpy game you also use 0x52. Using walkthrough just highlights the right answer.
 

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i really hope he doesnt start with daz. a lot of people seem to love it, but to me the models are just uncanny and creepy.
I prefer the stylized look of Caribdis' Honey Select models but imo Daz gets a bad rap here because we're so used to devs just throwing together free assets and doing little to no post processing (which alone would fix a lot of the uncanny valley vibes). Daz can look really good if you put effort into learning it.
Why would he move to somewhere he can sell the game when he already makes tens of thousands a month on Patreon? If he's been smart with his money he is doing very well financial, as he should be.
Because his income is almost entirely reliant on Patreon. We're seeing the world become more and more anti porn so all it takes is an overcorrection by Patreon to not allow any adult content. Plus, Honey Select is copyrighted and nobody that uses it has the rights to do so. I know a lot of people think that using it exists in a gray area, but it's actually a lot more black and white. Patreon income still counts as commercial benefit. The only reason people have gotten away with it is because the rights holders choose not to enforce their copyright, but the rights holders changed a couple of years ago. There's a completely new group of people managing the rights to Honey Select now, and they might have a stricter attitude when it comes to enforcing their copyright.
I think she will stay in Hyrilar. She has not shown any interest in Orion romantically nor do we have the time to focus on that. Arannis also said she is the 2nd most important woman in there, maybe Caly will put her on throne after the civil war
I don't think Caly can just put somebody else on the throne. She's the princess because she's related to Anima and has powerful magic. Lorelei is just the daughter of a general and Caly's maid. I don't think she'll officially join the harem, but she has shown a lot of interest in humans. I imagine she'll end up staying by Caly's side. If Caly does end up abdicating then we'll probably see the throne taken by that one elf that the MC said was a natural leader (one of the suiters).
 
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There's a completely new group of people managing the rights to Honey Select now, and they might have a stricter attitude when it comes to enforcing their copyright.
Yeah but unless you have the same reach and deep pockets as, say, Nintendo, it'll be a lot more difficult to enforce copyright when a majority of those "breaking" it are overseas. Then there's the fact that certain people who're breaking copyright also happen to consist of people who are paying for your product (coz I'm pretty sure there's a chunk of asset makers and HS1/HS2/Koi AVN devs out there who've purchased those titles on Steam), so going after them means you're basically going after what little customer base you have that buy your stuff, and that's not exactly a good look (not to mention would impact possible sales for your new products in the future).
 
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Can I just say, love Carbdis and love Eternum. OIAL is one of my top AVN's of all time, and Eternum is up there as well. But, the use of generative AI art and images in this latest chapter was a huge let down. I hate everything AI Art, and AI Generative, especially coming from a creative like Carbdis, even if that creation is smut.

I could understand this more from an AVN developer that was less known, and didn't have the patreon/subscribestar or whatever financial backing to afford the odd commission for in game art, but Carbdis is definitely not one of those developers, and could easily afford to pay for a couple of commissions for the art used in game, or even the licensing fees for certain images. I dunno, might get flack for it, but it just felt like a letdown from a Developer who usually focuses so much time and effort into making something actually quality in the space. Otherwise this update was amazing, like the rest of them. Just had to say something about the AI art, as I noticed it right away and it took a bit out of the update for me. Fuck AI "art."
 

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There's a completely new group of people managing the rights to Honey Select now, and they might have a stricter attitude when it comes to enforcing their copyright.
Supposedly its a new group and totally not just the old Illusion company rebranding itself.
 

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Do we get to finally delete/kill Thanatos in this update, still want my revenge for the earlier part of the game? Or should I wait a few more updates.
Well he does seem like an "endboss" (unless caribdis manages a cliffhanger even after Thanatos gets eviscerated) so I think he'll be sticking around to the end.
 

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Ah but what if, the one who put us in this situation was ourselves? Idriel probably your trusted assistant entrusted with a certain power
Idk about that since where would the Founder come in? Maybe it's like in Bioshock where The Founder is the MC from another timeline? That would also tie in a bit with Caly's story since I think she said a blood relative of the Evil King came from a different world and killed him. Maybe in the story Idriel is Anima, The Founder is the Evil King, and Orion is the savior, but maybe what actually happens is that the savior ends up just becoming another Evil King. That could be what all the talk about changing things this time could mean. Maybe Orion is destined to take The Founders place as Idriel's jailer, but this time could be the one time things change.

Yeah but unless you have the same reach and deep pockets as, say, Nintendo, it'll be a lot more difficult to enforce copyright when a majority of those "breaking" it are overseas. Then there's the fact that certain people who're breaking copyright also happen to consist of people who are paying for your product (coz I'm pretty sure there's a chunk of asset makers and HS1/HS2/Koi AVN devs out there who've purchased those titles on Steam), so going after them means you're basically going after what little customer base you have that buy your stuff, and that's not exactly a good look (not to mention would impact possible sales for your new products in the future).
Illusion has historically tolerated this, likely because of some of the things you mentioned, but we aren't dealing with Illusion anymore. It might be comforting for devs to hear that this new company won't enforce, but it's not a safety net. Devs like Caribdis are building their livelihood on a foreign adult game company, with unclear IP ownership, that already shut down once, and that could change policy at any time.

The new rights holders don't even need deep pockets to enforce their copyright either. This is what I was trying to say about being so reliant on Patreon. If the they decide tomorrow that they want to clean up their IP usage, they can shut down every Honey Select based VN on Patreon in a week just by sending an email.

Tools like Daz, Blender, and CC4 give you something Honey Select never will: legal ownership of your work. Having ownership would at least partially protect your income if Patreon ever decides to fully ban adult content creators too since you could at least try to sell the game on its own.

I'm a big fan of Honey Select models (especially the ones in Eternum), but if I was a dev, I'd be constantly worrying that at any moment I'd have to cease development of something I spent years of my life on.
 
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the use of generative AI art and images in this latest chapter was a huge let down. I hate everything AI Art
Care to explain what was wrong with ai art? where it was used? character designs, backgrounds or what? I am busy in life. Haven't got the time to play latest update yet but I have it downloaded. And in my opinion if human and ai art combined or edited can be good if produced well. I also hate ai art if its badly created. Judging from Caribdis previous exceptional work, Even if he used ai, he may have used it very well.
 

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Illusion has historically tolerated this, likely because of some of the things you mentioned, but we aren't dealing with Illusion anymore. It might be comforting for devs to hear that this new company won't enforce, but it's not a safety net.
They're not technically gone, they rebranded themselves as ILLGames and even released 2 Koi clones. It's likely that they're the ones still holding the rights since the Koi clones they released are using several repurposed Koi background assets and HS2, HS1, and Koi are still being sold on Steam and I HIGHLY doubt they would just let that extra money earned from those slide to a new rights holder. And since the people buying Steam are also the ones making content from it (i.e. mods, assets, scenes, AVNs) I doubt they'd shut those down anytime soon.

Tools like Daz, Blender, and CC4 give you something Honey Select never will: legal ownership of your work. Having ownership would at least partially protect your income if Patreon ever decides to fully ban adult content creators too since you could at least try to sell the game on its own.
Patreon can clean up its act like censoring pages and being more restrictive with what content devs could make and whatnot but I doubt they'd go for a full ban. They have every opportunity to do so last year but given the backlash even on Itch.io I'm sure the message was loud and clear that adult content creators and their fans aren't gonna go down without a fight.

I'm a big fan of Honey Select models (especially the ones in Eternum), but if I was a dev, I'd be constantly worrying that at any moment I'd have to cease development of something I spent years of my life on.
I think when that day comes Cari would just retire. 3rd game is likely going to take a while which means another 10+ years of development depending on how long the story is going to be. I seem to recall him saying on Discord that he has enough ideas for 2-3 more titles, but I also saw him say that if possible he wants to do those in an HS2 successor, meaning that he's really stubborn when it comes to using that stuff.
 
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