Dorfnutter

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Nova is the nerdy, awkward type whereas Penny is the hot, popular and outgoing type. It´s not that crazy to assume that Nova would be the virgin and Penny isn´t. I think this is the reasoning that person is making.
I still agree with you, though. Just because Penny looks like she might not be a virgin, doesn´t mean she isn´t.
I think the point being is that Nova is supposed to be a virgin and yet she took Orion's salami like a damn pro. Ergo, Penny and Alex's sexual performance is not a good gauge in determining that they are non-virgins if a virgin can match them just as well.
 

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It´s not that crazy to assume that Nova would be the virgin and Penny isn´t.
We don't have to assume Nova is a virgin; she says so, clearly, on more than one occasion. Yes, Penny's beautiful and popular, and also nice and therefore relatively approachable--she's presumably had opportunities that Nova hasn't. She hasn't had much in the way of relationships--one boyfriend for a few weeks--but that doesn't rule out a hookup.

But the argument I'm seeing from Dingolingo (to the extent there's any argument at all) is "look at their scenes; of course they aren't virgins." And Nova's scene completely repudiates that argument. There are other reasonable bases for believing them to not be virgins, but not that one.
Ergo, Penny and Alex's sexual performance is not a good gauge in determining that they are non-virgins if a virgin can match them just as well.
Or that, stated more succinctly than I did.
 
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Cari honestly just matched their personality rather than thinking about their previous experiences. The shy ones and ones with self esteem issues (like Nova, Annie, Dalia) got more lines to make them cross the line while the confident ones like Alex and Penny don't need them and went straight to it. It's AVN, they're all super horny and perverts and can have sex like pro pornstars
 

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promiscuous highschool/college girls/women looking like supermodels, that know how they want to fuck and be treated in said fuck ... are virgins.


yeah okay what in the fuck?
have you... met girls/women at all, ever? :WaitWhat:
promiscuous?? Damn straight up saying those 2 are whores despite they get pissed whenever anybody alludes to them as such.

Nova and dalia also knew how to fuck so they are non virgins too? Like a virgin would never able to ride that dildo like a pro. Pretty sure the sex scenes are based on the girl's personality like nova maintains her hyper active personality, annie with her shy personality and alex with her confident personality.
Caribds said 1 time that nancy is the only virgin but we we know she is not. Makes sense that he said the opposite. That nancy is the onli li who is a non virgin and rest of them are virgins.
 

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That nancy is the onli li who is a non virgin and rest of them are virgins.
I understand he's elsewhere said that nothing except dialogue in the game is canon on this question, so I wouldn't take that as a hard "everyone else is a virgin." We know (assuming they aren't lying, which I think is a safe assumption) Annie, Nova, and Dalia are, and we universally (I think) assume Luna is. We know Nancy isn't. I think Alex and Penny are left deliberately vague--there are things about each that point in both directions, and it's up to the player how he chooses to interpret them.

I don't have particularly strong feelings on the question for either of them, but I'm going to push back against someone who states a dogmatic position either way.
 
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Caribds said 1 time that nancy is the only virgin but we we know she is not. Makes sense that he said the opposite. That nancy is the onli li who is a non virgin and rest of them are virgins.
Nancy is the one character that we for sure know is not a virgin at the beginning of the game, being a mother and all that. And without confirmation, I would argue that Alex and Penelope may have had some previous experience (I mean, they both can take some hard pounding on their respective lewd scene with MC), but there is no need to call them promiscuous because of that, even tho they are a horny pair. The rest have some line of dialogue that confirms it or it is heavily suggested
 

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Nancy is the one character that we for sure know is not a virgin at the beginning of the game, being a mother and all that. And without confirmation, I would argue that Alex and Penelope may have had some previous experience (I mean, they both can take some hard pounding on their respective lewd scene with MC), but there is no need to call them promiscuous because of that, even tho they are a horny pair. The rest have some line of dialogue that confirms it or it is heavily suggested
Again as said previously Penny and Alex's sexual performance is not a good gauge in determining that they are non-virgins if a virgin can match them just as well.
 
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YOU GUYS KEEP DEBATING AND STUFF..... IT'S BEEN 8 MONTHS DAMN IT!!!! WHEN is the NEXT Update coming out!??
 

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Again as said previously, Penny and Alex's sexual performance is not a good gauge in determining that they are non-virgins if a virgin can match them just as well.
That's true, and it can be argued that a virgin can develop a potent sexual drive from masturbation, using toys, etc. But also, it is quite unlikely that out of 6 girls in their teenage years a 100% of them are virgins (also, why is that important?)

But by playing the numbers game, we get confirmation from three characters for three different reasons (a romantic crush, social awkwardness, and a personal decision), the rest is left ambiguous on purpose, but it would be extremely odd if that is the case considering that nowadays your average teenager experiences their first sexual encounter around 16yo. Penelope and Nova are our college-age representatives, one of whom we know didn't have sex before the start of the game, so it is at least worth considering that the other has some experience, maybe with a boyfriend, or a hookup, or whatever. The rest are high schoolers, and out of those four, two confirm in dialogue that they never had a sexual encounter, so I am inclined to believe that at least one of those two had sex before. Otherwise, I may have to start to think that Caribdis may have some Defloration fetish bc statistically speaking wouldn't make much sense
 
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These debates are wild lol.

It makes me wonder if the people debating even read the dialogue in the game. You can pretty much tell who is a virgin and who isn't based on the dialogue and their personality. Hell, in most cases that I recall, the actual virgin LIs admit that they're virgins in the game.

One of the best and amazing things about this game is the amazing storytelling and dialogue that Cari and team put into this game. If you skip through it for a fap, you are robbing yourself of an amazing story, and you're going to confuse yourselves on the LIs.

At the end of the day, debating who is a virgin and who isn't in the game is kinda silly to me - Again, if you actually pay attention to the dialogue and the story in the game, boom, you'll have your answers.

And yes, a virgin is just as capable of taking the D deep off rip as someone experienced. Believe it or not, each woman's body is different from the other in the real world; not all are made equal. Imagine that, right? Some women have a higher pain tolerance than others and can rock the horizontal tango just fine even after losing their virginity. So assuming an LI isn't a virgin based off of the fact that they could do the bedroom waltz just fine after swiping their V-card right is just dumb.

And Caribdis ... You are cruel, sir. Cruel. I came to this page and saw an UPDATE to 8.6.... AND IT WAS JUST SOUND! SOUND I TELL YOU!

My soul was aghast in pain and agony at the excitement I felt, until I read the changelog and had it dashed away like a harsh, cold wind in the icy month of December.

YOU FIEND!!!

... Anyways, drama aside, can't wait until the update comes out! I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS ONE!

EDIT: Also, I am kinda not surprised they had to change some of their songs lol. Funny as a lot of their uses were, I can imagine some heat was taken. I posted a while back that there was a specific scene where Cari used a clip from World of Warcraft's end scene when you kill the Lich King at the end of that expansion. Great song, and I love how Cari used it, but I can imagine Blizzard probably wasn't thrilled (though I can't confirm if that was one of the songs changed; haven't played through 8.6 to check).
 

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Caribdis may have some Defloration fetish
That wouldn't be that unusual in porn, I don't think--or even if he doesn't himself, you can see that there's a lot of interest in the question, and I think more viewers/players (among those who have a preference) would prefer "virgin" to "non-virgin"--though that's just a guess on my part.
statistically speaking wouldn't make much sense
Statistics don't do very well predicting small populations, and we're only dealing with seven people here--and really, only with two. And the probability of Alex's or Penny's virginity is independent of whether anyone else is a virgin. If you flip a coin 20x, and the first 19 are heads, the probability that the 20th will be heads is still 50%. Similarly, according to ChatGPT (which is never wrong, of course), 65-70% of unmarried American 18-year-old women are virgins. And we know that Annie, Dalia, and Luna are, so what's the probability that Alex also is? It's also 65-70%.
in most cases that I recall, the actual virgin LIs admit that they're virgins in the game.
For one who's going on about reading, it doesn't seem you're reading too closely--we aren't talking about the people who have said they're virgins (Annie, Dalia, and Nova), nor about the one (Luna) everyone assumes is. The discussion is about Penny and Alex.
Again, if you actually pay attention to the dialogue and the story in the game, boom, you'll have your answers.
I'd love to see the dialogue that conclusively shows whether Alex or Penny are virgins.
 

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I'd love to see the dialogue that conclusively shows whether Alex or Penny are virgins.
Ah, my point exactly! I never said they were. The point I was trying to make is to pay attention to the dialogue, which gives you enough context to determine whether or not they are.

In both Penny and Alex's cases, I do not believe either are virgins. Penny knows way too much about her sexual preferences to be a virgin (i.e. she makes it VERY clear throughout the game she is into rough sex), and Alex oozes sexual confidence throughout her storyline (the handjob at the party out in the open, her stamina in her first sex scene with the MC, etc.).

That is why it is so important to read and pay attention to the dialogue! The clues are there. I never said it was spelled out for you, but it becomes pretty obvious (to me at least) that neither of those two are virgins.

For one who's going on about reading, it doesn't seem you're reading too closely--we aren't talking about the people who have said they're virgins (Annie, Dalia, and Nova), nor about the one (Luna) everyone assumes is. The discussion is about Penny and Alex.
SECOND EDIT: I am perfectly aware of what the topic is and added what I said for context. So need to get bent out of shape over it lol.
 
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she makes it VERY clear throughout the game she is into rough sex
I don't know about "throughout the game," but she certainly says as much at Hogwarts (excuse me, Warthogs). Does she know this from experience? Or is this perhaps something she likes the idea of but hasn't experienced?
Alex oozes sexual confidence
Alex also projects a "tough girl" image, but she's a romantic at heart, even if she may not realize it herself. This could be another false front she puts on.
her stamina in her first sex scene with the MC
Nova's scene proves this meaningless as an indicator.

And for both of them, there's a question of "with whom?" Penny's only had one boyfriend, only for a few weeks, not very serious. They could have had sex, but not enough to explain her "know[ing] way too much about her sexual preferences." That could have come from a series of hookups, but she takes umbrage at the suggestion that she's promiscuous.

Alex? She's a loner by choice, almost no friends, can't really imagine her having a boyfriend. Hookups have the same problem as with Penny.
it becomes pretty obvious (to me at least) that neither of those two are virgins.
So you're drawing inferences from clues, like the rest of us. But some of us are giving greater weight to other clues that point in the other direction--because those are there too, and if you've been following the discussion, you've seen reference to some of them. This isn't a matter of people just not reading the dialogue; it's a matter of people interpreting and weighing the dialogue differently than you do.

I'm not a hardliner either way, but I don't think it's nearly as obvious as you seem to think it is.
 

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And Caribdis ... You are cruel, sir. Cruel. I came to this page and saw an UPDATE to 8.6.... AND IT WAS JUST SOUND! SOUND I TELL YOU!

My soul was aghast in pain and agony at the excitement I felt, until I read the changelog and had it dashed away like a harsh, cold wind in the icy month of December.

YOU FIEND!!!

... Anyways, drama aside, can't wait until the update comes out! I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS ONE!

EDIT: Also, I am kinda not surprised they had to change some of their songs lol. Funny as a lot of their uses were, I can imagine some heat was taken. I posted a while back that there was a specific scene where Cari used a clip from World of Warcraft's end scene when you kill the Lich King at the end of that expansion. Great song, and I love how Cari used it, but I can imagine Blizzard probably wasn't thrilled (though I can't confirm if that was one of the songs changed; haven't played through 8.6 to check).
The songs weren't changed due to copyright infringement. The songs were changed because a certain royalty free site didn't want to associate their music to adult stuff anymore, so they decided to change their ToS and sent C&Ds to AVN devs using their music (despite said AVN devs having purchased the licenses for their music fair and square), one of which happened to be Cari.

Edit: He talked about it at some length in a post .
 
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