VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.9.4] [Caribdis]

[Dorfnutter]

Anger may be an option, but Orion needs to think about himself, as he has his nose in the air too high - to think he thinks he can handle Thanatos. He will have something to do in Limbo, I think we will spend part of 0.8 there.

I just threw that as a potential reason for Orion to rise from his predicament but yes, he needs to understand the gravity of the quest/role that Idriel and the dead are asking to do, as well as what he is actually fighting for. Because right now there's still a lot of stuff that Orion (and us players) needs to understand, such as what the Gems of Doom ACTUALLY do (because turning someone into God doesn't sound as definitive as William is making it out to be), why Idriel and the dead chose Orion, how does Orion's powers tie to this mess, and what the Founder's endgame is (because again, William's assessment of the man sounds a bit incomplete IMO and it's possible that there's more to what the Founder wants other than Apotheosis). Maybe Orion learns some of that in 0.8, maybe not (but will prolly be something we learn along the way, I mean we still have a lot of updates to go at least).

 

[Dorfnutter]

It does make me wonder what punishment is awaiting to that beanie wearing junkie scum. Perhaps a one-way ticket to Eternum to become an NPC (and suffer), just like what happened to a certain unruly (and wannabe rapist) lapdog way back at the end of v0.1. Or maybe Calypso somehow senses what happened, and she could disintegrate him like that drunkard at the Old West server.

Or, if the man doesn't get taken by the police, might end up getting a visit from a certain Ex-President who may have returned to his old Vigilante ways...

 

[Pitrik]

Stop being evil towards my waifu you bastards

 

[Dorfnutter]

Stop being evil towards my Mr. Hernandez's waifu you bastards

Ftfy.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

Maybe he is just playing visual novel for fap material

That´s the main reason. But this one´s story is so good I´m taking my time with it. But I don´t remember every detail.

 

[Green83rry]

Uhhh, no.

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[Takkatakka]

Why Idriel, who accompanied MC throughout the game, looked at him as a messiah who would free the souls of imprisoned “NPCs”, in the end she became hostile towards him and even mocked him for the fact that he was dying, saying that “your end has come "?

Well...it could be her coaxing Orion into an angry reaction as Dorfnutter said, but it could also be genuine frustration with him. We kinda know by now that Orion is in somewhat of a dimensional or time loop. He has tried to save Eternum, Idriel and the NPCs multiple times and always failed. But since he failed in Eternum, Idriel could "reset" him and he could try again. But since he now died in the "real world", she can't help him there anymore. So essentially of all his runs so far, we haven't played his best attempt, the attempt he will finally achieve his goal and save Eternum, instead we've played - at least so far - his worst attempt, which at this point - from Idriel's point of view - might actually be his last attempt as well, because he died now in the real world and there is no coming back for him (or that might be, what she thinks anyway).

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

I see, then you've already gone through Warthogs then. Finish it all and join us in the excruciating waiting.

That I know I have. I just didn´t have memorize who I went there with. At what update do you think I am now?

 

[Dorfnutter]

We kinda know by now that Orion is in somewhat of a dimensional or time loop.

No, we don't. If anything it sounds more like a "Bioshock: Infinite" scenario where Idriel is aware of multiple runs happening simultaneously and has seen all of them end in failure (and yet is still pinning her hopes on our run for reasons that might be explained in the future). The lore dump about Limbo supports this, as a dimension that exists outside of time and space means that the general laws do not apply and you can theoretically see everything everywhere all at once (heh). Not to mention the "heads or tails" question has been presented in Infinite as well, which means we could be dealing with the same scenario (albeit hopefully the outcome is a lot more optimistic compared to that of Infinite's).

 

[topshelf]

He will have something to do in Limbo, I think we will spend part of 0.8 there.

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[Dorfnutter]

We don't know much about the Limbo

We know at the very least that time doesn't exist there (as per Idriel's explanation), which sounds to me like you can basically stay there indefinitely and still return in the real world without time advancing. Hence the reason why some of us are proposing that Orion could stay there for a good while (but not long enough that it would take up half or the entire update).

We've also seen the cliffhangers get resolved very quickly.

0.3 and 0.4 didn't resolve theirs THAT quick. If anything this latest cliffhanger could be like 0.3 where we dedicate a quarter or an eighth of story time at the beginning to resolve it. And frankly, considering that Orion kinda needs enough time to understand he fucked up and needs a kick in the nuts to get his head out of his ass, I feel like that's warranted.

 

[Takkatakka]

No, we don't. If anything it sounds more like a "Bioshock: Infinite" scenario where Idriel is aware of multiple runs happening simultaneously and has seen all of them end in failure (and yet is still pinning her hopes on our run for reasons that might be explained in the future). The lore dump about Limbo supports this, as a dimension that exists outside of time and space means that the general laws do not apply and you can theoretically see everything everywhere all at once (heh). Not to mention the "heads or tails" question has been presented in Infinite as well, which means we could be dealing with the same scenario (albeit hopefully the outcome is a lot more optimistic compared to that of Infinite's).

We don't know, what kinda loop it is or if there are like clones are different Orions from different dimensions (that's, why left that kinda open), but I don't think they are happening simultaneously, since the coin example seems to indicate that there is one attempt after another, just as you would throw one coin again and again and not 1,000 simultaneously. But we will see.

 

[VaderExMachina]

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[Redd23]

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Great idea to have them in one place, but don't you want to add these banners from Thorin's post? So the archive is complete.

It probably wouldn't be on this site - but I didn't search for a development thread. I did run across a couple of things related elsewhere though.

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[Elhemeer]

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Totally requesting this to be added to the OP

 

[Takkatakka]

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So the new one will likely be Dalia, if that patch actually contains her birthday.

 

[Dorfnutter]

We don't know, what kinda loop it is or if there are like clones are different Orions from different dimensions (that's, why left that kinda open), but I don't think they are happening simultaneously, since the coin example seems to indicate that there is one attempt after another, just as you would throw one coin again and again and not 1,000 simultaneously. But we will see.

It's not clones. It's basically different realities happening simultaneously, but with different choices made, different permutations, but same outcome. However, there is basically ONLY ONE reality that we're focusing on, which is our POV. Again, kinda like Infinite.

Again tho, the heads and tails question exists in Infinite (down to "heads" happening more often than usual when a flip is made), and that definitely didn't focus on a timeloop but rather "constants and variables," how despite divergent choices and multiple alternate realities there seems to be a "fixed" outcome of events that leads to a whole lot of suffering, and the overall story is the two protagonists' quest to break that outcome. Which is not that far off from what seems to be happening at the moment (and what Idriel wants Orion to do).

See, this is why I said earlier in this thread that Limbo's existence basically opens a can of worms regarding the story. Cause the existence of a realm displaced by time and space basically allows the possibility of what I've mentioned above to happen (even more so if you have a character that is essentially a dead ringer for a "blind seer" archetype to be trapped there).

 

[VaderExMachina]

Great idea to have them in one place, but don't you want to add these banners from Thorin's post? So the archive is complete.

added the promo banner with annie but not the praetorian one as i rather have the post mainly be a "progress banners" archive.

 

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I can believe I'm saying that but 0.5 it shouldn't have been Nova again.

 

[Takkatakka]

See, this is why I said earlier in this thread that Limbo's existence basically opens a can of worms regarding the story. Cause the existence of a realm displaced by time and space basically allows the possibility of what I've mentioned above to happen (even more so if you have a character that is essentially a dead ringer for a "blind seer" archetype to be trapped there).

That is not really the main point of my posting though. That's why I don't really care what kinda loop or parallel dimensions it is. The point rather was that Orion really screwed up big this time and that might be the simple reason why Idriel might be angry at him. Like he was so far the most promising of...whatever it is and pissed it all away. Her best horse in the race, so to speak.