VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.9.4] [Caribdis]

[Vaassaa]

I don't see how this is a "side thing" when there's a lot of hints throughout the main story that basically reference some sort of loop or prescience related to it (i.e. the Syndicate member who said "we have seen it, we have tried," Idriel saying "this time, it'll be the right one" as her parting words to Orion before his first entry to Ion, the game's logo being an infinity symbol, the Founder's chest tattoo being an Ouroboros). Whether it's a straight time loop or a reincarnation loop is still up in the air, however.

Also, I disagree with cycles being an Eastern thing. The Greeks (more specifically the Stoics) have a concept of "eternal recurrence," where the universe dies after a certain point but is reborn as the same universe over and over. And in case you haven't noticed, the entire VN has a lot of Greek references to it (i.e. presence of oracle figures like Idriel and Luna, the default name being Orion and his character development referencing a lot from his mythological counterpart, Penelope and Calypso and Ogygia and Ulysses being references to characters and places in "The Odyssey," Thanatos being a reference to the Greek's version of Death, Psyche (and its latin counterpart Anima) who is a reference to the Greek Goddess of the Soul, the Greek rivers of the dead Styx and Acheron being referenced as a server and a temple respectively). So Cari utilizing another Greek concept in the game wouldn't be out of the ordinary.

Also for the record, he's Spanish.

Well the question is whether the time loop is a plot device or the central theme. Iirc we don't know if we're talking about the same people having tried it before or other people having tried it before. Again, I might be forgetting stuff, but I think there's nothing saying previous "tries" have been Orion still? Or whether we're talking other heroes who have tried and been corrupted or failed.

All the eternum/infinity stuff could easily just be a reference to the fact we're talking about the underworld and death after life. Yes there's a lot of overlap with greek mythology, but it's not so direct. You gotta remember, cari likes to keep it short and sweet. His games don't have mountains of teasing, they progress at a pretty steady pace, not too many choices, not too little. So I doubt we'll get an extremely deep, weird, confusing ending or timey-wimey stuff.

 

[Daermon420]

If Alex had waited only like 10 years before she started rebelling, she could have used the money and connections to build herself up and then distance herself from the family

William is divorcing their mother and leaving them with nothing. No doubt Alex rebelling didn't help with this, but I doubt it was the main cause of it.

So unless she was actively kissing his ass to stay in his good graces even after the divorce she'd be where she's at right now anyway. And an Alex who'd be willing to bow down and obey her father for a chance to inherit his wealth wouldn't be working with Orion. Even if she tried to help Orion covertly the jig would be up pretty fast because William knows an awful lot about Orion and his crew. As soon as Alex helped Orion free Calypso, William would know she was working against him and probably force her to either work as his agent inside Orions group or cut her off.

 

[Dorfnutter]

All the eternum/infinity stuff could easily just be a reference to the fact we're talking about the underworld and death after life. Yes there's a lot of overlap with greek mythology, but it's not so direct. You gotta remember, cari likes to keep it short and sweet. His games don't have mountains of teasing, they progress at a pretty steady pace, not too many choices, not too little. So I doubt we'll get an extremely deep, weird, confusing ending or timey-wimey stuff.

That's not what you said tho? You said you doubt Cari is gonna put concepts of a loop or cycle/s front and center to the main plot despite evidence and hints to the contrary. Of course it's not going to be a deep philosophical dive as this is written by Cari not Monolithsoft, but something along the lines of "there used to be a cycle that the dead are trapped in and now there isn't thanks to your actions" is simple enough direction for Cari to work with.

 

[ModernDegenerate]

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I don't understand Alex's character tbh, many millions of people would kill to be the child of a multi-billionaire no matter how much of an abusive psycho he is. Take Tiffany from Superhuman, she understands her privilege and is....or was willing to marry a guy she didn't like at all. If Alex had waited only like 10 years before she started rebelling, she could have used the money and connections to build herself up and then distance herself from the family

Putting adult motivations on behaviour stemming from childhood, would cause a lot of "misunderstanding" in general - not just with Eternum's Alex.

 

[sexypeanut]

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I don't understand Alex's character tbh, many millions of people would kill to be the child of a multi-billionaire no matter how much of an abusive psycho he is. Take Tiffany from Superhuman, she understands her privilege and is....or was willing to marry a guy she didn't like at all. If Alex had waited only like 10 years before she started rebelling, she could have used the money and connections to build herself up and then distance herself from the family

Because she's not cut from the same cloth the rest of her family is. She had a good influence from her grandma and after her death she was mature enough tonl understand that what her parents and brother do isn't good.

She doesn't want anything with them because she despises what they are and and represent. She doesn't like to be controlled, to be paraded, to be used, to be a tool - she wants to be a human being with her own voice and decisions. You cannot do that if you live like the Bardots.

Alex does understand the privilege of being born in a rich as fuck family, but the abuse she suffered wasn't compensating for that. For her, all the money and power the Bardots have are nothing compared to her freedom and to be herself.

She doesn't want to be a beautiful bird in a gilded cage - she wants to roam free and enjoy the little things life can offer. She's not the 'I'll concoct plans upon plans to get my revenge on this shitty family in X years' type, she's the 'I wnat to get away from this shitty family that wants to make me a puppet and force me to be a porcelain doll' type.

Imagine having to live 20 years like that.

 

[sexypeanut]

Does sneak peak happen once a month?

More like every 2 months

 

[Mutation8888]

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I don't understand Alex's character tbh, many millions of people would kill to be the child of a multi-billionaire no matter how much of an abusive psycho he is. Take Tiffany from Superhuman, she understands her privilege and is....or was willing to marry a guy she didn't like at all. If Alex had waited only like 10 years before she started rebelling, she could have used the money and connections to build herself up and then distance herself from the family

Not everyone is stuck on materialism. Alex is a romantic. Romantics have little interest in materialism, particularly when it manifests as a love of money and objects over people and emotions. You can't cookie cutter everyone into the same gingerbread man prototype.

 

[danb35]

Alex is a romantic.

True, though she'd probably hit you for saying that.

 

[Mutation8888]

True, though she'd probably hit you for saying that.

Of course. She has that defense mechanism to push away people that might take advantage of her and hurt her. (She would not put much force into it though anyways. She saves that for Axel's royal raisins.)

 

[danb35]

I wasn't really even trying to be funny, but I guess it struck people that way. You're right about her defense mechanism, but I kind of doubt she recognizes it herself.

 

[LusterDemon]

uhhh....was this part the start of a new update?

 

[danb35]

uhhh....was this part the start of a new update?

If I'm not mistaken, that was early in 0.7, where Annie was explaining to Nova that the crew of One Piece had gone on strike, thus ruining (in Nova's mind) Nova's plans for her date with MC.

 

[Dorfnutter]

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uhhh....was this part the start of a new update?

0.7 starts right after Willy B reveals to Orion that he knows his name back at Alex's apartment (which was supposed to be the cliffhanger end for 0.6).

 

[LusterDemon]

If I'm not mistaken, that was early in 0.7, where Annie was explaining to Nova that the crew of One Piece had gone on strike, thus ruining (in Nova's mind) Nova's plans for her date with MC.

I thought so cuz this looks like Annie's older hotter sister

 

[Dorfnutter]

I thought so cuz this looks like Annie's older hotter sister

Implying Annie isn't hot to begin with.

 

[LusterDemon]

Implying Annie isn't hot to begin with.

....no, I wasn't

 

[KanyeT]

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uhhh....was this part the start of a new update?

Damn, she looks gorgeous there.

 

[danb35]

Damn, she looks gorgeous there.

Guess I'm going to take the minority view--Annie and Luna both look different to me in 0.7 vs. 0.6 and earlier, and I'm not really a fan. Not that they don't still look good, but I think they look better earlier in the game (though Annie can keep growing her hair).

 

[Finuee]

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I don't understand Alex's character tbh, many millions of people would kill to be the child of a multi-billionaire no matter how much of an abusive psycho he is. Take Tiffany from Superhuman, she understands her privilege and is....or was willing to marry a guy she didn't like at all. If Alex had waited only like 10 years before she started rebelling, she could have used the money and connections to build herself up and then distance herself from the family

Even one year can be too long when you have abusive parents, let alone ten. And I do fully understand her not wanting anything from him, not his money, not his connections, nothing at all. It's not just a matter of being pragmatic. It's a matter of self respect, and a matter of survival.

 

[DETROIT123_io]

Even one year can be too long when you have abusive parents, let alone ten. And I do fully understand her not wanting anything from him, not his money, not his connections, nothing at all. It's not just a matter of being pragmatic. It's a matter of self respect, and a matter of survival.

I have had a similar childhood to Alex , And She is 100 percent relatable