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JillybeanEnjoyer
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Don't think Eternum levels matter when it comes to learning magic. Could be mistaken though.
Dorfnutter
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To be fair, Annie likely has better chances in recouping her lost levels given her current support group/party compared to Jerry who has a habit of constantly dying due to bad luck or being too gung ho when it comes to doing stuff in Eternum.
Spells are level-gated so levels do matter as far as that aspect of the VRMMO is concerned.
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All of the level gates we know of are pretty low, and level doesn't seem to affect aptitude at all. It's implied pretty early on that levels are mostly (but not entirely) just for show. Also as you said, Annie is a serial grinder, whatever the level req is for the nuke, she'd absolutely have already reached that offscreen, especially since the party had already killed quite a few xenomorphs at that point.
I guess the other thing is that we don't really know whether the level 2 requirement for magelight is for use or just for learning, since that isn't fully explained. If it's for use then that means the nuke would require her to level back up to use it, but if it's just for learning it then she'd only have to have learned it once when she reached the req. I think level req for learning rather than use makes more sense as far as Eternum's magic system goes, since skill and aptitude aren't necessarily based on level but rather affinity with the game system and individual experience. Major spoiler: This also makes the most sense with what we know of the world of Eternum as a whole. The true multiverse doesn't care about player levels at all, they're likely just a means to gamify the multiverse experiment and maybe keep people with low affinity from getting too deep too fast. The actual use of magic in Eternum would be based off of the user's skill rather than an arbitrary number that only the neural implant cares about.
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Personally I think the level gating of magic is tied to the idea that Idriel is the one making the "VRMMO" system possible, as without her the projections will possibly not have the ability to utilize certain skills that they have and simply be out-of-body copies of their material selves in the "real world." This is based off from the mysterious guy at the Ulysses party implying that the "developers" - and by extention the "players" - don't really have the inherent power to shape Eternum, and have to rely on relics like the Gems or the Weapons of Atlas or possibly being gifted with powers from a godlike source (i.e. Orion's powers being linked to Idriel/The Void given that her image is the one he sees during certain times that he activates his powers) in order to have an edge in Eternum. It's that last point that makes me think magic too is bestowed upon the players by Idriel (who has level-gated it to keep up with the VRMMO illusion), which would make sense even more if the Idriel-Anima theory ends up being legit.
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Good update, I had fun. I was wondering when the little creepy girl gave us the letter and told us not to read it at that point in time, is there even a point to that part of the story? I didnt read the letter, so I hope at some point, we actially get to see what that letter was for..
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Maybe in 0.9 there'll be more to it
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Yeah, like Dorfnutter said, a big part of the difference is Jerry's stupid ass keeps getting killed. He had only regained a couple of levels by the time they were imprisoned on the Semper Invicta server and then couldn't keep his dumb mouth shut. On the heist distraction team, he got sniped after saying not even 4 words. Frankly, I'm having trouble believing he was ever level 39 to begin with. He must've done all of Eternum's "pick 17 flowers and return them to me here by my cooking pot" quests or something.
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Based on current prog speed I expect one more batch before the release.
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My guess is he probably had friends/party mates (like the guys who were with him during the quiz event at Loco's) who used to run with him and watch his back but they eventually got sick of his behavior (or worse, he ditched them in favor of trying to get the time to play with Dalia) which is why he gets himself killed more easily nowadays compared to before.Yeah, like Dorfnutter said, a big part of the difference is Jerry's stupid ass keeps getting killed. He had only regained a couple of levels by the time they were imprisoned on the Semper Invicta server and then couldn't keep his dumb mouth shut. On the heist distraction team, he got sniped after saying not even 4 words. Frankly, I'm having trouble believing he was ever level 39 to begin with. He must've done all of Eternum's "pick 17 flowers and return them to me here by my cooking pot" quests or something.
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Maybe. Watching his back only would've helped against the ogre, though. In the prison, no teammate could save you from a javelin to the face. In the heist, being next to the Repeaters didn't save him from getting sniped. I still think it was making cloth gloves 7,000 times that got him his "levels".My guess is he probably had friends/party mates (like the guys who were with him during the quiz event at Loco's) who used to run with him and watch his back but they eventually got sick of his behavior (or worse, he ditched them in favor of trying to get the time to play with Dalia) which is why he gets himself killed more easily nowadays compared to before.
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Considering that Jerry doesn't seem like the kind of person who is patient (much less humble enough) to do that kind of no-life behavior it's more likely that he throws himself at whatever hard challenge there is in order to gain his levels (as IIRC Cari said on Discord that the harder the quest the higher the exp), and that running with parties/faction mates* who are unaware of his less than savory behavior likely helped with that.
*I mean he IS part of the WRE, so there's likely no shortage of people gullible or green enough to party up with him
Come to think of it..does Eternum even have low-level starter quests for newbies to grind exp? Or do they have to rely on luck/strong party members to carry them through quests? Because based on Orion’s own progression, it seems to be the latter case.
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I imagine those starter worlds have tutorial quests for newbies to get buff on, before you head out to other worlds. Plus you have places like Warthogs where you can learn and train. I think Luna said she spent a few years there, iirc.
Orion is a special case because his friends already grinded up the hard way. So they're carrying him, plus his 100 percent synchronicity is probably like an xp multiplier. And he's got his demon mode. He just skipped the standard newbie experience.