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Some other people answered you, but there's also foreshadowing in 0.9 with Luna and the MC's conversation about what they would do if the other died (in the context of the movie they had watched). The MC says that if Luna died he'd lose his mind instantly, but Luna says that if the MC died she'd "join a necromancer cult" so that she could revive the MC, since surely in a world already so fantastical, there must be "at least one witch specializing in resurrections". There is also the MC saying that we'd never bring one of the girls with us into Eternum with our powers again, since it's simply too dangerous and that they could really die that way, but now going into Eternum with the implant is about the same risk, if not even riskier since you need to get to an exit portal, when with our powers we can act as the exit portal for them.
Thinking more specifically about Luna's phrasing of "join a necromancer cult", I'm replaying the game, and I completely forgot that in our initial dream where we see the "Lady" keep asking "Will you help us?", we're set in a church, a church that we later see at Warthogs with Luna and Penny. Luna tells us that there used to be a cult there, and that cults are allowed on Eternum as long as they aren't otherwise breaking the code of ethics, but this cult ended up forbidden and the praetorians turned the place inside out.
It's heavily implied that this cult was the Syndicate, especially adding the context of one of the praetorians asking "A member of the Syndicate?" to the praetorian that excommunicated Benjamin. From what we know about the Syndicate, they definitely seem to fit what one would call a "necromancer cult", and we have a nightmare when sleeping in class of waking up in a morgue, seeming as if we were a corpse that just woke up. There's a seeming-corpse next to us, that then gets up and is identified as "Lady" and again asks "Will you help us?" and then asks us if we would press a button if it meant there was a 1 in 7 chance of saving the love of our life, who is about to die, but a 6 in 7 chance of the button killing us.
This all would maybe seem to be foreshadowing our own death, but I feel like at this point we've already nearly died too much for that to really hit as hard, and combined with the stuff other people mentioned, and the cliffhanger of 0.9 clearly wanting us afraid for the girls' lives, I really feel like it's leading up to the death of one of the girls. Which in my mind would most likely be Annie, but it could well be a different girl too. It could maybe be that we would die with the girl together, getting that 6 in 7 chance of the button where we both die, and we would both become NPCs I guess. I'd worry perhaps though that the MC turning into an NPC or otherwise dying would restrict the plot too much, even if it would be exciting to see the rest of our girls show how competent they are even when we're not there.
(As an aside, that is something that I found kind of lacking in 0.9, the girls trying to track us down and not really getting anywhere. They were by no means incompetent, but I wish they would've gotten further. Nova was onto something, but clearly still very off the mark, though I suspect she's probably right that Hyril'ar plays some crucial role with the Eternum system. I didn't even need them to get close to finding Hyril'ar, they still could have advanced the plot/our known information another way, like maybe by tracking down Thanatos and finding what might've happened with him and where he went off to. But it's fine, it probably needed to be the way we saw because there's only so much narrative space.)
But beyond any foreshadowing, I do think that one of the girls becoming an NPC would make a lot of narrative sense. It would conjoin our emotional drive of caring about the girls with the narrative drive of freeing the NPCs. The MC and the girls do already care about the NPCs, and by now that plays a nominal role in our goal of acquiring the gems of doom, but that care for the NPCs ultimately remains secondary to our care for the girls and exploring our relationships and all that. But if that care for the girls becomes as well a care for the NPCs, then I think that would really drive the plot forward and really cement the transition into the endgame of the story.
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Cari always does this, I think the cliffhanger for 0.10 is just a prank, like he said that 0.7 and 0.8 won't have a cliffhanger, now he's boasting about this one so it's maybe a joke.
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Lolno. He said the opposite (except the 0.8 cliffhanger was eventually moved to 0.7).
His post after 0.7's release when people were wondering if 0.8's cliffhanger was gonna be worse than that one:
Edit: Also the 0.10 cliff is something he's been teasing for a while on his Discord server...
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At this point, Cari not adding a cliffhanger would be the real plot-twist.
I can already imagine it:
- update 0.10 releases
- all of us getting to the end expecting that DEVIOUS cliffhanger he's been hyping for 3 updates now
- BOOM a scene similar to this plays:
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I'm afraid it's not the case that we will have in 0.10. Someone will definitely die. We have 7-9 months to prepare ourselvesAt this point, Cari not adding a cliffhanger would be the real plot-twist.
I can already imagine it:
- update 0.10 releases
- all of us getting to the end expecting that DEVIOUS cliffhanger he's been hyping for 3 updates now
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Andolt
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I'm with you, but I think that we will lose Annie or Alex. Others are too important
Annie would be the best one plot-wise to die, cuz is the one whos got the longest relationship with the mc. It would have quite the impact
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Probably, but the only thing I’m not sure about with Annie is Luna’s “vision” about her. Of course, we’re predicting that it will be a threesome between them, but what if it isn’t? Luna would definitely tell us if she saw something dangerous in her vision. And most of the time, she only sees dangerous things.
I see your point there, but the visions with the mc changes, maybe the thanatos, old bardot or the founder can also do the same who knows, most probably thou would be that none of them are in danger. Or maybe Cari surprise us and dont know kills Nancy or puts her in a comma
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Yeah I'm real close to the point that I'm going to wait till it's finished to play more it's really getting on my nerves.At this point, Cari not adding a cliffhanger would be the real plot-twist.
I can already imagine it:
- update 0.10 releases
- all of us getting to the end expecting that DEVIOUS cliffhanger he's been hyping for 3 updates now
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My thought is that all the girls will be retrieved safe from Eternum at the start of the next update, but we'll have to go back into Eternum in order to continue our mission, particularly to get our fifth gem of doom in the Japan server. Probably during that update, we'll get the Annie+Luna scene which has been teased long enough, but then by the end of the update, we'll be put in a dangerous situation (conflict with Thanatos trying to fight us again now that we both have five gems?) where Annie will die, and even Luna won't be sure that she'll be okay because we'll have already had our scene with them.
nobody will die, luna saw the happy end already imo
the whole dying cycle is something which happened already in the past countless times, were in the good run this time
the whole dying cycle is something which happened already in the past countless times, were in the good run this time
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Luna didn’t see a happy ending. She saw what we think was a threesome between her, Annie and Orion. Since we got Luna’s solo scene, there’s a possibility it could happen before the cliffhanger
Hey! For IRL reasons,I've haven't been on my laptop for close to a year. I want to get back into the swing of things by replaying Eternum,but I want the original music intact. How do use the music restoration mod?
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A fake out and an actual death are not the same thing. Using one to create suspense is not the same as using the other for nothing more than an emotional effect.
Your choice is not remembered by the game (I see no variable set). I view that choice as the Founder messing with Orion. Trying to gauge what kind of person he is.
This doesn't mean Orion won't be put in a position to really make that choice. It could be foreshadowing a planned story event. If that happens, it will be narratively coherent, a callback to that scene. How will Orion behave when faced with a real choice vs. a hypothetical? This creates drama directly from the story. Any death which comes out of it follows from the drama. This is the kind of thing I mean when I say that a death should serve the narrative, not be there for the sake of drama.
It is a more interesting context for a possible death, and one I would find satisfying.
But it doesn't support the argument for a death as change in motivation. For it to work in that way, you'd need some reason for Orion's current motivation to be slipping. Which again would have to work with the story, not happen only so that the motivation switch can be tripped.
I'm not disagreeing. In my opinion, the proposed reasons as previously presented are not good enough. You achieve those things through the story. If that logically leads to "this character dies", fine. But don't start with "a character dies so that this can happen in the story" when you have better reasons available, particularly when those better reasons are well established, or where death as a reason does not fit the tone of the story.
The story has existing scenarios for which a death could work, we don't need to insert others that don't fit as well.