Explain this fetish: Man to female transformation

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zoneitorboneit

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There are two types of people who play these games,
1) someone who identifies as the character
2) someone who plays the character as an avatar.

People in category one are homosexual. They may be be bi-curious, or in denial, but they want to experience having sex with their own gender. In the case of M > F, they are definitely gay; there is no spectrum. That door only swings one way.

People in category two just one to see the world burn. Or in this case, want to see a fucked up story and character.
Why does #2 want to see the world burn? When playing any game, you can still play it as if you're looking at a narrative that the dev made. It's no different than looking at any other form of entertainment like a movie. Sure sometimes the main character is bland so one can insert themselves, but otherwise it's just another reality/story that was created that others can witness.
 

PinkysBrain

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castration

n. The act of removing the testicles. (source: )
I didn't say it was a wrong word, I said it was a strong word. Words have dictionary meaning, but the true meaning of a word is defined by the context it has been used in before. In the context of a sci-fi or magic scenario where the testes just shrink away the word castration is a bit tendentious.

Though in the full transform scenario, it can even be wrong by the dictionary term. They aren't removed, they are transformed to ovaries.
 
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zoneitorboneit

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I didn't say it was a wrong word, I said it was a strong word. Words have dictionary meaning, but the true meaning of a word is defined by the context it has been used in before. In the context of a sci-fi or magic scenario where the testes just shrink away the word castration is a bit tendentious.

Though in the full transform scenario, it can even be wrong by the dictionary term. They aren't removed, they are transformed to ovaries.
This is getting a bit off topic but words having many definitions and any quality online dictionary will include as many as possible. So like you said, it depends on the context to figure out which meaning it takes on.

If you're using a definition that is niche or existed in the past and not now then you're setting yourself up for a misunderstanding from others.

To castrate would simply mean to remove, whether it's literally or metaphorically in the sense of power and or attributes.
 

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Why does #2 want to see the world burn? When playing any game, you can still play it as if you're looking at a narrative that the dev made. It's no different than looking at any other form of entertainment like a movie. Sure sometimes the main character is bland so one can insert themselves, but otherwise it's just another reality/story that was created that others can witness.
You're still entertained by watching a fucked up story. Doesn't mean you agree with it. (if that makes you feel better)
 

PinkysBrain

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This is getting a bit off topic
Or maybe it goes to the heart of the matter, depends on your perspective :)
To castrate would simply mean to remove, whether it's literally or metaphorically in the sense of power and or attributes.
Well that is where I differ, as a self inserting fan (the lowest of the low, I know) of especially the full transform part of the genre I don't think of it in terms of loss ... it's about transform (duh). The sense of loss is just the short term psychological impact in the story. Your choice of words I feel are because of your perspective, in a thread which is about trying to understand the perspective of fans, I think it's relevant.

My perspective is obviously not universal, even among fans. I think this partly explains why having both rejection/embrace paths is so common.
 
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As the creator of the thread I find the discussion/debate/fighting going on throughout the thread quite interesting, especially since it kinda just keeps going. It seems like it gives a lot of people a lot of different outlets, ranging from transgender fantasies to humiliation fantasies, although I admit I still don't understand the appeal personally. Then again, there are a lot of genres I don't get. What seems to set this one apart, the way I see it at least is the apparently very active community surrounding it while said community also seems to be into it for very different reasons. It seems popular, niche and widely hated all at the same time, kinda reminds me of the furry community in how it is viewed by others and the communities formed. Is that a vaguely accurate statement?
It seems also like there's some overlap, especially if you look at fenoxo-style games that seems to cater to both groups.
 

Raneth

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As the creator of the thread I find the discussion/debate/fighting going on throughout the thread quite interesting, especially since it kinda just keeps going. It seems like it gives a lot of people a lot of different outlets, ranging from transgender fantasies to humiliation fantasies, although I admit I still don't understand the appeal personally. Then again, there are a lot of genres I don't get. What seems to set this one apart, the way I see it at least is the apparently very active community surrounding it while said community also seems to be into it for very different reasons. It seems popular, niche and widely hated all at the same time, kinda reminds me of the furry community in how it is viewed by others and the communities formed. Is that a vaguely accurate statement?
It seems also like there's some overlap, especially if you look at fenoxo-style games that seems to cater to both groups.
fantasies-- is the important word in this context, you or i might not see the appeal of a fantasy, but as long as we don't ruin it for others, then "I" don't care about another persons fantasy/fetish. For example, "I" am not a fan of cuckold art. But that doesn't mean that i wanna ruin the fun for others.
I think that the "problem" with fenoxo, is that it/he is/was a turning point of; western made erotica games.
And while many will point at the furry community, as a force in the erotica games business. I think that it's more stuff like patreon and kickstarter, that made western erotica games possible.
 

Raneth

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I also think that a lot of people, that have transgender fantasy/feelings, have not had much art in games, that dealt with their problems/fantasy/feelings.
 
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Yeah no, like I've already said previously in this thread, people can be into whatever they want. What I was curious about was what it actually was that people liked about it. To take your example of NTR stuff, I'm not into it, but I think I understand what the people who are like about it, it just doesn't do it for me. These games I didn't understand at all, so I asked. Not really any more to it than that.
 

Raneth

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Yeah no, like I've already said previously in this thread, people can be into whatever they want. What I was curious about was what it actually was that people liked about it. To take your example of NTR stuff, I'm not into it, but I think I understand what the people who are like about it, it just doesn't do it for me. These games I didn't understand at all, so I asked. Not really any more to it than that.
fair enuff. The thing i see as why we don't "just" watch playboy or porn were a plumber bangs a lonely lady, is that we don't connect emotions to that scenario. Make that scene about a lady who cheats on her husband, and all of a sudden we feel emotions for that scenario, although it's the same plumber and lady. And i think that goes a long way to explain a lot of fetishes.
 

whiskeyrose

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Its done for a few reasons.

  1. to get onto the tfgamessite database, and get more exposure
  2. So you can write from a males perspective, but still play as a female
  3. So you can render the same female model fucking faceless dudes across the game, instead of having to render/design many female models when you play as a male protag. This is why so many japanese RPGMaker games have female protags, so they can just use the same female image for several sex scenes.
 
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First off, this thread isn't meant to kink shame and what not, it's just one (of many) niche fetishes that I just don't understand. And given that we see games based around that theme, especially text based ones, popping up every so often, I thought I'd ask what people got out of it. Usually porn games tries to sell you a fantasy, you're irresistible, you're able to break taboos, bend people to your will and what have you.

But what is the fantasy meant to be here?
Is the fantasy meant that you're supposed to identify as the character you're playing and getting off on 'you' being un-manned or are you not supposed to self-insert? Is this a gay fetish, transgender fetish, or are straight people into it as well?

I'm curious what the target audience is.
The target audience is likely transgender or men with gender envy like me, having boobs and a pussy would be much more fun then my current body but i believe becoming "transgender" is not a realistic solution at least not with our current level of biological engineering, but if these fantasies were real where you could actually become a woman with magic advanced science whatever you can believe i would become a woman instantly :cool:
 
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