VN Ren'Py Completed Exploring the Big Apple [Ep.7 Fixed] [Dimajio333/SadPepper]

[Sparta VI]

Too many characters spoil the broth. With PE it was similar with Jasmin (Cornell's sister). But Jasmin was removed from the rest of the story in time. Otherwise it would have been complicated.

 

[TonyMurray]

This explains a lot. Though, it's still doesn't explain why Matthew gets a "happy ever after" with Emma instead of Martin.

And, if you're willing to check, what happens in the epilogue if Emma is cheating on Patrick with both of them? What scene plays out?

I was just checking the opposite, but I'll answer in spoilers:

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[Filipis]

Too many characters spoil the broth. With PE it was similar with Jasmin (Cornell's sister). But Jasmin was removed from the rest of the story in time. Otherwise it would have been complicated.

You're correct in general.

But it's important to note that the dev here didn't get tired of EtBA because there were too many characters - but because just Emma/Patrick/Martin already had 4 paths between them, where the dev tried to appease his fans by having Vanilla/Sharing-cuckolding/MMF/Cheating paths.
Until he cancelled the game early, I'm sure some fans expected the same from the Professor character as well, which would've been impossible.

However, that's because the dev made the classic blunder of listening to all of us.

 

[Filipis]

I was just checking the opposite, but I'll answer in spoilers:

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Yeah, that must be it then.

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Leads me back to the theory that this game would've had scuffed cheating endings regardless of how long the game lasted.

 

[Tinman021]

many good ideas for NTR or NTS from this developer. but why the execution is always meh...this game has a very good start. i thought there will be breakthrough or something from him

 

[TonyMurray]

Yeah, that must be it then.

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Leads me back to the theory that this game would've had scuffed cheating endings regardless of how long the game lasted.

Well, regardless of what you feel about the actual content, I think we can certainly say "botched" endings, at least for the cheating path. I can't see any way that coding error wasn't picked up in testing - you skip out an entire section and head straight into the epilogue!

 

[Sparta VI]

Absolutely. Everything was great until the professor part and then it got worse. Unfortunately, it became too much and mixed up. But he still does a good job. The best part is the introduction up to the middle

 

[Dealbreaker]

Absolutely. Everything was great until the professor part and then it got worse. Unfortunately, it became too much and mixed up. But he still does a good job. The best part is the introduction up to the middle

Remember how many people here in this very thread constantly complained about Martin? And now, surprise, we can see that the dev switched towards the prof. He shouldn't have listened.
I mean: just compare the intensity of the sex scenes between Martin and Emma with the ones between the prof and Emma. Not on the same level. This last update, too, is a case in point.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

I was disappointed when on the mmf path during the final day AGAIN mc gets called into work. It felt like another unneccesary cuckold route insertion into that path. The buildup was initially great - they had this whole plan of spending the day together and teasing, then it went all out the window and fast forwarded to the final scene which had already started without him .

By again - I mean this was the second time something like that was written in, first was when they were unpacking and Emma starts blowing Martin while MC is dallying with the belongings.

 

[Dealbreaker]

they had this whole plan of spending the day together and teasing, then it went all out the window and fast forwarded to the final scene which had already started without him .

Because that's obviously what the dev finds interesting - this little tension, little suspicion: is there something going on without him, without him declaring his official consent every small step of the road. The dev wants to create opportunities for doubt, for insecurity and jealousy even on the sharing path. He can't help it, I guess.

 

[Sparta VI]

Remember how many people here in this very thread constantly complained about Martin? And now, surprise, we can see that the dev switched towards the prof. He shouldn't have listened.
I mean: just compare the intensity of the sex scenes between Martin and Emma with the ones between the prof and Emma. Not on the same level. This last update, too, is a case in point.

Oh really. I only started reading just after the Episode 6. Thank goodness I've had my own experience. Now I realize a few things. Why did they complain about Martin? His character was well developed in my eyes.
So a certain part of the community has defaced the game because it gave in

 

[Dealbreaker]

Oh really. I only started reading just before the Episode 6. Thank goodness I've had my own experience. Now I realize a few things. Why did they complain about Martin? His character was well developed in my eyes.

Found him too pushy, unlikable, too aggressive, repulsive, old too, maybe. Emma was seen as initially reserved and even fearful of Martin (which I take as being potentially intrigued). There are several discussions above, I don't want to mischaracterize the statements of others.

 

[Filipis]

Well, regardless of what you feel about the actual content, I think we can certainly say "botched" endings, at least for the cheating path. I can't see any way that coding error wasn't picked up in testing - you skip out an entire section and head straight into the epilogue!

To be fair to dimajio, he clearly didn't have the luxury of time for testing this update. Monthly release schedule is a bitch.

Which is why (I might get flak for this) I think the dev should relax a bit, and release updates every 1.5 months.

 

[Filipis]

Absolutely. Everything was great until the professor part and then it got worse. Unfortunately, it became too much and mixed up. But he still does a good job. The best part is the introduction up to the middle

Thing is, the professor would've been the second major "bull" for Emma if the game went further.

The excessive branching with just Martin is what burned out the dev from developing ANY path beyond what we got.

 

[packard1928]

I think this one was longer... but that is OK.. I think he go tired of this one and ended it. He ( so far ) prefers the short games. I think that way it keeps everything fresh... As for the longer time... it takes more time to write ending for the3 paths and render and code them. I say GREAT JOB ! I wonder what hisnext thoughts will be. Maybe even revisit Pineapple express. ???

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Because that's obviously what the dev finds interesting - this little tension, little suspicion: is there something going on without him, without him declaring his official consent every small step of the road. The dev wants to create opportunities for doubt, for insecurity and jealousy even on the sharing path. He can't help it, I guess.

To be clear, I'm not looking for something where every step of the way mc needs to consent, it's the overall framing of the relationship. It's about them doing things for each other vs themselves - and like you said, it seems like he cant help himself leaking this into other forks.

 

[Dealbreaker]

To be clear, I'm not looking for something where every step of the way mc needs to consent, it's the overall framing of the relationship. It's about them doing things for each other vs themselves - and like you said, it seems like he cant help himself leaking this into other forks.

Yes, understood and agreed, and it's good when people stress this distinction betw cuck and sharing, and I'm sure the dev himself sees it only too clear. But he is authentic and wants to do what he is behind personally, I guess. Or maybe he finds it more challenging and interesting professionally and creatively (that is for example what I am thinking).
If you would send a cuck into a swinger club (this is just another example, nothing to do with the dev whatsoever of course), he would probably search for cuck experiences even there, within another framework and another set of norms. The preference always breaks through I guess.

 

[Sparta VI]

Found him too pushy, unlikable, too aggressive, repulsive, old too, maybe. Emma was seen as initially reserved and even fearful of Martin (which I take as being potentially intrigued). There are several discussions above, I don't want to mischaracterize the statements of others.

Wow. I didn't know that. And that's why he added new characters. That's awesome. People should always go their own way and not allow themselves to be influenced.

 

[Dealbreaker]

And that's why he added new characters.

To be clear, we don't know what influenced him and how he reads this thread of course.

 

[Joshy92]

I did the cuck path, and it was okay, but I won't play the game ever again, I don't think. Not enough passion during the sex scenes for me.