VN Ren'Py Completed Exploring the Big Apple [Ep.7 Fixed] [Dimajio333/SadPepper]

[psychedevil]

xcalibar4, you make some good points through the use of images/dialogue from the game. Some of the points you made were ones that I previously was trying to make by highlighting certain dialogue from the game, though I think your points may come across stronger with the additional use of imagery.

The main point I agree with is that the FMC initially tries to make it out to be that she is getting excited by what she's doing because she wants to fulfill her partner's kink; however, if you really look at her internal dialogue (her thoughts), it becomes apparent that she is doing this more for herself. Also, like you said, if this is more for the MC, then why is the FMC repeatedly doing things behind his back or without his permission first? And this is only on the cuck and sharing paths, where it can be somewhat justified (taking initiative, I suppose).

However, it makes even less sense on the sexual modesty/faithfulness paths and on the cheating paths, as I previously tried to show through the use of a detailed recounting of some of the decisions and dialogue along those paths. On the sexual modesty path, although Emma will never have intercourse with Martin without her husband's permission, she still will share several inappropriate moments with Martin and tell the MC about none of them, which may include giving a Martin a handjob while licking the tip of his dick after modeling risque lingerie for him. On the cheating path, Emma just totally goes off the rails after discussing fantasies with her husband, and even if he sends her porn involving one man and one woman and tells her that the porn she shared involving two men and one woman worries him, she still will have sex with Martin; and if her husband does not continually check on what she is doing, then she repeatedly cheats with Martin both in Martin's home (twice while her husband is in bed!) and at her and her husband's new apartment (while her husband is helping to move into their new apartment!), again with the only way to avoid some of this is for the MC to continually check on her (in other words, to not trust his wife).

I find this progression to be extremely fast and out of character for the FMC, especially given that she is married, still has passionate sex with her husband (who is in good physical shape), has never had sex with anyone but her husband, is satisifed with her husband being supportive of her university education (and does not feel seriously wronged by her husband in any way), and supposedly begins to fantasize about having sex with other men because she thinks it excites her husband and thus wants to please him. Yet regardless of her husband's actions, she will twice snoop on Martin while he masturbates in bed, and if the MC does not interrupt her while she does it the second time, she will witness Martin calling her name as he masturbates and apparently likes it so much that she decides to conceal it from her husband. Lastly, on the cheating path (the most immoral path), the FMC does not show any evidence in her thoughts about her behavior bothering her in terms of her conscience or in thinking about how damaging this could be to her husband's feelings and their marriage.

 

[xcalibar4]

Yes, I played Pineapple Express (PE) and still have it because some of the sex scenes are hot.

Similar to ETBA, there's also some inconsistency in the chain of events in PE if the MC does not give the FMC permission

So similar to ETBA, I feel that the cuck and sharing paths were the most carefully and coherently constructed in PE, whereas the other paths (the ones more or less involving monogamy or cheating) seemed to make less sense or have less care devoted to them.

Thank you for reminding some aspects of PE, I am not good with words like you but shared my thoughts of PE endings as it really disappointed me.
https://f95zone.to/threads/pineapple-express-v1-0-dimajio333.170275/post-14007604

In looking across Pineapple Express and Exploring the Big Apple, another thing that bothers me is in regard to the character development of the FMC (Julia and Emma), specifically, their willingness to do things with other men that they were not willing to do with their partner.

In EtBA as far as I understand Emma started this path for Patrick but after some time or even before she just wants Martin and other man than her hubby. Dimajio333 Fmc are ready to explode from the beginning and corruption wise they just need very little push. I had read some cheating/hotwife stories from Amazon best sellers!! there the FMCs needed just 1-2 fuck they were like I need my hubby to understand I want this and he is cuck and shouldn't even touch me. Though Dimajio333 is better than that but as I told before and really feel is he really wants to write a unwilling cuck husband who slowly becomes a willing cuck with dick-cage and only happy when he knows his wife is screwing someone who is a stranger to him.

It's not about the FMC's corruption but corruption of hubby into cuck in his games I guess. If it's not forced cuck then there should be some love/affection and trying to understand each other along the way. If it's to create a character/story that people will discuss more due to the inconsistencies that he is doing a great job.

I know it's porn so we shouldn't look too deep or immerse ourselves, but it's the story that keeps us hooked to the AVN not only the renders or sex scenes I guess.

 

[xcalibar4]

AVNs are generally comparable to low-budget, home-made amateur films in the movie industry. So, if you start evaluating them at the level of mainstream, they completely fall apart.
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Wow thanks, I am a graphic designer and wanted to learn 3d render for some time. And your explanation makes it so easy to understand what is happening. I actually like Dimajio333 because I think his stories has potential. But as psychedevil said

I find this progression to be extremely fast and out of character for the FMC

His build up never really gets into drama or any consequences specially for the FMC like most Western NTR. Only leads to rush cuck/humiliation endings or open relationship endings in most of his games.

After reading/playing so many stories/games I can feel what the writers kink is, where he really wanted to go. I guess anybody can feel it.
Like Azienda of Turning the Page really likes to write thousands of words. Once I was reading FMC Shophie's inner monologue & it took few minutes to read it but she thought it in few seconds I was like wow how powerful her brain processor must be. The Dev really digs Bull & FMC romance which he achieved to show fully in TtP his 3rd game.

HangoverCat really likes to destroy his MCs.

And Dimajio333 really wants to create drama to build up a willing cuck. But every time he forgets about the drama and use the FMCs to just to achieve it.

 

[billfk]

What makes his characters feel realistic to me is that they don't just act or speak; they seem to follow the results of pondering, 'What would I do in this situation?' Sure, he manipulates situations to make characters perform certain actions, and sometimes there might be excessive leaps, but he generally tries to adhere to this rule as much as possible. However, the problem is that all his main characters inevitably reflect himself. That's why I say all the characters in his games are his personas. And because all these personas are essentially the same, it's difficult to create external conflicts between characters. They only have internal conflicts. Of course, this isn't a big drawback when the theme is corruption.

He definitely has a cuckold fetish and is favorable to open relationships. So, his characters are generally favorable to open relationships and start with a cuckold fetish from the beginning, both the MC and the FMC. His games should be stories where couples, initially not into cuckold, gradually become cuckolds. However, because he is into cuckold, the couples act like people who are actually cuckolds, even if they don't realize it themselves. Expressing this subtly is another significant strength of his. Of course, there's a tendency to become cliché due to repetition in each game, but I think it's enough to make me feel he's an excellent developer.

 

[psychedevil]

In EtBA as far as I understand Emma started this path for Patrick but after some time or even before she just wants Martin and other man than her hubby. Dimajio333 Fmc are ready to explode from the beginning and corruption wise they just need very little push.

If it's not forced cuck then there should be some love/affection and trying to understand each other along the way. If it's to create a character/story that people will discuss more due to the inconsistencies that he is doing a great job.

His build up never really gets into drama or any consequences specially for the FMC like most Western NTR. Only leads to rush cuck/humiliation endings or open relationship endings in most of his games.

Dimajio333 really wants to create drama to build up a willing cuck. But every time he forgets about the drama and use the FMCs to just to achieve it.

Yeah, that's how I see it too on the cuck path. What initially was supposed to be MC-driven becomes more FMC-driven. This is worse on the cheating path, where it becomes entirely FMC-driven and is without consent and concealed. If the MC continually reins Emma in from the start by pushing her to be more careful/modest at every turn, then there is a path where she only has sex with her husband, which of course is the most boring path (in part because there are no additional sex scenes with her husband to make up for the lack of sex scenes with Martin and no use of animations). Of all the paths, for me the altogether most consistent and satisfying one is the sharing path, despite my dislike of flipping Martin from a person of concern to a person of desire in relation to Emma in such short time.

 

[xcalibar4]

Of course, this isn't a big drawback when the theme is corruption.

He definitely has a cuckold fetish and is favorable to open relationships. So, his characters are generally favorable to open relationships and start with a cuckold fetish from the beginning, both the MC and the FMC. His games should be stories where couples, initially not into cuckold, gradually become cuckolds.

I agree to most of what you say. Only one thing I strongly disagree is his games aren't corruption focused. I am a corruption fan and I play all kinds of genre incest, harem, NTR, horror if there is corruption involved. Only tags I avoid is Male on Male, Futa on Male, Vore, Gore and Scat. So in corruption game internal conflict is what makes it more fun more spicy. I guess this is one aspect he lacks.

 

[xcalibar4]

Of all the paths, for me the altogether most consistent and satisfying one is the sharing path, despite my dislike of flipping Martin from a person of concern to a person of desire in relation to Emma within short time.

Yeah but as there is no corruption for FMC (in any path to my opinion) I was digging the loveliness of the couple but the loveliness got ruined for me in the path where she was more focused on giving Martin a blowjob in their 1st 3some and getting pleasure from it than feeling her husband fucking her in the pussy and cumming in her. I think she orgasmed when he came in her mouth or something.

 

[billfk]

I agree to most of what you say. Only one thing I strongly disagree is his games aren't corruption focused.

I've used this phrase before on this forum to describe his works as "about a cuckold couple who don't realize they're cuckolds, and find out who they really are." His games often feature a corruption meter. I use corruption because he uses it to describe the process of these couples discovering their true selves, not because it's a genre trait.

 

[billfk]

ETA end of march.

 

[wolfling11]

 

[packard1928]

Can some nice person load the pic's here please...

 

[billfk]

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[wolfling11]

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Thank you man

 

[psychedevil]

Yeah but as there is no corruption for FMC (in any path to my opinion) I was digging the loveliness of the couple but the loveliness got ruined for me in the path where she was more focused on giving Martin a blowjob in their 1st 3some and getting pleasure from it than feeling her husband fucking her in the pussy and cumming in her. I think she orgasmed when he came in her mouth or something.

I agree with you about that. I did not like when that happened either. Yes, during their first threesome Emma thought to herself that she orgasmed when Martin cummed in her mouth, to where she barely felt that her husband was cumming in her pussy. So you are right that regardless of the path involving sexual interaction with other men, Emma seems more interested in and excited by doing things with other men than her husband. However, I said that for me the sharing path was the most consistent and satisfying, not that it was entirely consistent/satisfying. I still have some issues with it, but it involves more sex scenes than the path where monogamy is maintained at the same time as actively involving the husband.

Unfortunately though, even on the sharing path, it is only when Emma is having sex with Martin that it includes animations; there is not a single instance of Emma having sex with her husband (regardless of path) where the sex between them includes animations. On the other hand, regardless of path, the sex between Emma and Martin includes animations, which gives the impression that it is the act itself of having sex with another man that is most exciting to Emma, not teasing or pleasing her husband in doing so (which is especially apparent on the cheating path). It's also another example of the developer's sexual preference or bias being expressed. I mean, damn, we could have gotten at least one sex scene between husband and wife that was animated, maybe the one where they finally had some privacy in Martin's home after the husband returned from his trip or when they had spontaneous sex in their apartment just prior to moving.

 

[wolfling11]

Ngl both of those renders don't give any clues for Next scenes

 

[TonyMurray]

Ngl both of those renders don't give any clues for Next scenes

They aren't really previews, IMO. When a dev gives a progress update, you tend to get two sorts of images shared - some are previews, that show a bit of a scene and hint at what might be happening (but hopefully don't confirm anything, as they are just teasers). Then there are what I think of as more like social media photos. They are just pictures of the MC/LI and you can't deduce anything at all from them. They are practically just profile pics or random close up photos that you might post on Instagram.

Obviously the first are the better kind, as they lead to discussion - I've seen dozens of posts giving theories just for one tiny aspect of a preview photo in other threads. There's a line though between a preview and an outright spoiler, and the issue is that a lot of devs either don't know where the line is, or are too cautious of even getting close to it, so we end up with the social media-type "previews" instead.

 

[Tinman021]

Ah.... No. So fast it ends.

 

[billfk]

So, a couple went to a counselor about their bedroom issues. The counselor gives the husband some secret advice, and suddenly, their sex life's amazing. But the wife notices he's muttering during sex, turns out he's just saying, "This woman is not my wife." Old joke, I know, probably been around for ages. I bring this up because I think it's necessary to understand couples' sex lives and sharing when playing his games.

Once you consistently have sex with only one partner, sex loses its novelty, becomes mechanical, and boring. It starts to feel like an obligation, and you may even avoid it. This is why most long-term couples become sexless. People who actively try to escape this situation might call a hooker or knock on the door of a local swapping club. When sex becomes dull, having sex with someone new becomes exciting and stimulating. Even with mutual consent, those experiencing swapping for the first time feel the thrill of doing something forbidden, like returning to their teenage years and experiencing sex for the first time. Therefore, the other person doesn't need to be sexually superior to your partner; simply being someone other than your regular partner is enough to feel more stimulated. Naturally, you experience new sensations that your partner cannot provide.

Since I am not a woman, I cannot know the psychology of women with cuckold partners. However, at least FMCs in Dimajio's games are sexually aroused by the fact that their partners are cuckold. In other words, they are aroused by their partners' arousal when they engage in sexual interactions with other men. As the relationships with other men become more stimulating, MCs become more aroused, and the FMCs also become more aroused, escalating the situation.

There's no reason for the MCs to feel humiliation when the FMCs in the games are more sexually satisfied with other men. This is something the MC cannot provide to the FMC regardless of sexual superiority, and it's important for the couple to enjoy this situation together. Neither the MC nor the player should feel humiliation in this situation. In fact, although the MC can also gain satisfaction with other women that the FMC cannot provide, this part is often omitted. While balancing this aspect is possible, other developers cover it extensively, so it's not essential for him to do so. Most of his fans don't want that, and savoring a slightly humiliated situation is also enjoyable.

I have a few additional points.

In a society with some social and sexual restrictions, the first sexual encounter is the most difficult. However, once it happens, it starts to burn uncontrollably. For a certain period, it's almost impossible to control. It's quite realistic that FMCs in games continue to engage in sex with other men after their first encounter. Of course, this novelty fades after a certain point. Then, they either return to normal life or seek more stimulation. In games, they start seeking more stimulation.

Regarding gangbang, some women do prefer it, though it's not common. Personally, I haven't met anyone who prefers it because it's more sexually stimulating. Most of them enjoy being surrounded by multiple men who aim to please them, being treated like a princess. So, many are attention seekers. Emma also seems to have attention-seeking tendencies.

I find the pacing in Dimajio's games realistic. A couple who had lost interest in sex reignites their sexual passion by entering a new situation (cuckold). They discuss and get excited about the cuckolding situation, leading to sex. The fantasy grows through these repetitions and eventually explodes when it matures enough to be realized. The fantasy continues to burn as it becomes reality. I don't think there's a problem with the pacing.

However, what sets ETBA apart from his other works is that it's played from the FMC's perspective. I feel this weakens the Cuckold elements of the game. Everyone has a porn actress crush. Even when you see them having sex with other men, it's hard to feel jealous. That's because you become immersed in the other man's perspective and have sex with her. NTR shouldn't create this situation. The player should only be immersed in the MC and view the FMC from his perspective, but this collapses when the FMC's perspective is introduced.

I call it Dimajio's Dilemma, a problem with how to depict the FMC's experiences in the MC's absence. There's no easy or natural solution, and it's evident that Dimajio is struggling with how to solve this. At least, the FMC's perspective in ETBA feels like a failure. And PE's hidden camera was the best.

 

[La Dani]

So, a couple went to a counselor about their bedroom issues. The counselor gives the husband some secret advice, and suddenly, their sex life's amazing. But the wife notices he's muttering during sex, turns out he's just saying, "This woman is not my wife." Old joke, I know, probably been around for ages. I bring this up because I think it's necessary to understand couples' sex lives and sharing when playing his games.

Once you consistently have sex with only one partner, sex loses its novelty, becomes mechanical, and boring. It starts to feel like an obligation, and you may even avoid it. This is why most long-term couples become sexless. People who actively try to escape this situation might call a hooker or knock on the door of a local swapping club. When sex becomes dull, having sex with someone new becomes exciting and stimulating. Even with mutual consent, those experiencing swapping for the first time feel the thrill of doing something forbidden, like returning to their teenage years and experiencing sex for the first time. Therefore, the other person doesn't need to be sexually superior to your partner; simply being someone other than your regular partner is enough to feel more stimulated. Naturally, you experience new sensations that your partner cannot provide.

Since I am not a woman, I cannot know the psychology of women with cuckold partners. However, at least FMCs in Dimajio's games are sexually aroused by the fact that their partners are cuckold. In other words, they are aroused by their partners' arousal when they engage in sexual interactions with other men. As the relationships with other men become more stimulating, MCs become more aroused, and the FMCs also become more aroused, escalating the situation.

There's no reason for the MCs to feel humiliation when the FMCs in the games are more sexually satisfied with other men. This is something the MC cannot provide to the FMC regardless of sexual superiority, and it's important for the couple to enjoy this situation together. Neither the MC nor the player should feel humiliation in this situation. In fact, although the MC can also gain satisfaction with other women that the FMC cannot provide, this part is often omitted. While balancing this aspect is possible, other developers cover it extensively, so it's not essential for him to do so. Most of his fans don't want that, and savoring a slightly humiliated situation is also enjoyable.

I have a few additional points.

In a society with some social and sexual restrictions, the first sexual encounter is the most difficult. However, once it happens, it starts to burn uncontrollably. For a certain period, it's almost impossible to control. It's quite realistic that FMCs in games continue to engage in sex with other men after their first encounter. Of course, this novelty fades after a certain point. Then, they either return to normal life or seek more stimulation. In games, they start seeking more stimulation.

Regarding gangbang, some women do prefer it, though it's not common. Personally, I haven't met anyone who prefers it because it's more sexually stimulating. Most of them enjoy being surrounded by multiple men who aim to please them, being treated like a princess. So, many are attention seekers. Emma also seems to have attention-seeking tendencies.

I find the pacing in Dimajio's games realistic. A couple who had lost interest in sex reignites their sexual passion by entering a new situation (cuckold). They discuss and get excited about the cuckolding situation, leading to sex. The fantasy grows through these repetitions and eventually explodes when it matures enough to be realized. The fantasy continues to burn as it becomes reality. I don't think there's a problem with the pacing.

However, what sets ETBA apart from his other works is that it's played from the FMC's perspective. I feel this weakens the Cuckold elements of the game. Everyone has a porn actress crush. Even when you see them having sex with other men, it's hard to feel jealous. That's because you become immersed in the other man's perspective and have sex with her. NTR shouldn't create this situation. The player should only be immersed in the MC and view the FMC from his perspective, but this collapses when the FMC's perspective is introduced.

I call it Dimajio's Dilemma, a problem with how to depict the FMC's experiences in the MC's absence. There's no easy or natural solution, and it's evident that Dimajio is struggling with how to solve this. At least, the FMC's perspective in ETBA feels like a failure. And PE's hidden camera was the best.

Take it for what is, a porn game

 

[BeastMaster59]

Take it for what is, a porn game

Very Good, couldn't have said it better myself.