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It's a good thing then that this situation is not supposed to be more about her pleasure than his...although that of course is how it tends to become slanted over time.

What is the MC being allowed to do beyond with anyone but her? Having her involve other guys is supposed to amount to equivalent freedom for each of them? He gets no play with other women, but she gets to throw herself in the direction of any other men she chooses? Does she not enjoy seeing her partner be pleasured by others?

Anyway, yeah, yeah, there's only so many paths that can be developed, got it. That doesn't mean I'm not going to wonder about why no matter which path is followed, the net gain is to allow the FMC to screw other men yet not allow the MC to have anything with any other woman.
What you say here (if I understand it correctly - I'm cautious!) follows the rules of sharing. But if you take cucking as a fetish, this in itself is supposed to be pleasure for him. He derives pleasure out of being denied pleasure. I find this difference to be in the background of a lot of discussions and misunderstandings here, so also here with the cage.
(and all this isn't even my personal fetish, I just see that a lot of people who are concerned about equality in pleasure see it the way you do and this is not the way I and many others understand the fetish. Cucking isn't sharing)
 

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What you say here (if I understand it correctly - I'm cautious!) follows the rules of sharing. But if you take cucking as a fetish, this in itself is supposed to be pleasure for him. He derives pleasure out of being denied pleasure. I find this difference to be in the background of a lot of discussions and misunderstandings here, so also here with the cage.
(and all this isn't even my personal fetish, I just see that a lot of people who are concerned about equality in pleasure see it the way you do and this is not the way I and many others understand the fetish. Cucking isn't sharing)
I'm speaking of the game as a whole. Even on the sharing path, the only sharing that's happening is with her messing around with other men. There is no involvement of other women. Also, she has engaged in sexual behavior with Martin and the professor at times even without having gotten permission from him, yet the MC has not had any play with another woman on the sharing path whether with her permission or not or in her presence or not.
 

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What you say here (if I understand it correctly - I'm cautious!) follows the rules of sharing. But if you take cucking as a fetish, this in itself is supposed to be pleasure for him. He derives pleasure out of being denied pleasure. I find this difference to be in the background of a lot of discussions and misunderstandings here, so also here with the cage.
(and all this isn't even my personal fetish, I just see that a lot of people who are concerned about equality in pleasure see it the way you do and this is not the way I and many others understand the fetish. Cucking isn't sharing)
Not always. Some like clean up, some like chastity and some don't.

The list goes on.
 

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And just to counter the possible argument that cucking is somethng completely different than denial: Cucking as watching is in itself a first step of self-denial: you pull out of the option of fucking your wife and sit back: you deny yourself in that moment what another guy is allowed to do. You could have done it yourself, but you don't do it.
 

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What you say here (if I understand it correctly - I'm cautious!) follows the rules of sharing. But if you take cucking as a fetish, this in itself is supposed to be pleasure for him. He derives pleasure out of being denied pleasure. I find this difference to be in the background of a lot of discussions and misunderstandings here, so also here with the cage.
(and all this isn't even my personal fetish, I just see that a lot of people who are concerned about equality in pleasure see it the way you do and this is not the way I and many others understand the fetish. Cucking isn't sharing)
It is a delicate balance between soft and hard NTR. It usually begets many a heated discussions. I think as long as the story and characters are consistent with their behavior, desires, it can go either way.

I do not think cuckolding is sharing. The husband or wife becomes a voyeur and derives pleasure from watching, from being a witness, he/she is no longer a protagonist of the sexual action, merely secondary. You participate as an appendix :unsure:.
Sharing is equal I think. You participate in the intercourse with your partner, more or less than the invited person, but you are active.

But narratively it is weird, making an exaggerated example, when the wife goes from nun to nymph, from caring to dominatrix, in a few days, wanting to ride the whole town, while, abruptly, keeping the husband locked in a chastity cage.
 
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And just to counter the possible argument that cucking is somethng completely different than denial: Cucking as watching is in itself a first step of self-denial: you pull out of the option of fucking your wife and sit back: you deny yourself in that moment what another guy is allowed to do. You could have done it yourself, but you don't do it.
And then if the guy fucks her? (aka reclaiming) look cuckold isn't a catch-all word. And all you do is try and make some philosophical debates about things like that in these threads.

They are poorly written porn games, not a view on the fetish in real life, or if they are, it's cranked up to a hundred.
 
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It is weird, making an exaggerated example, when the wife goes from nun to nymph, from caring to dominatrix, in a few days, wanting to ride the whole town, while, abruptly, keeping the husband locked in a chastity cage.
Yes, I find that quite peculiar as well. It has gone from her voicing the most concern about having to share a temporary residence with another man to it seeming like she is the one driving the sexual encounters with other men (on any path).
 
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And then if the guy fucks her? (aka reclaiming) look cuckold isn't a catch-all word. And all you do is try and make some philosophical debates about things like that in these threads.

They are poorly written porn games, not a view on the fetish in real life, or if they are, it's cranked up to a hundred.
It is actually hard to define and limit... Somebody needs to write A Critique of Pure Cuckoldry a la Kant :unsure: .
 
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Re-claiming is exactly that: you claim something after you have temporarily renounced it. And trust me - this isn't philosophical at all (I wouldn't get personal here so why do you?)
It got personal when you said the dev shouldn't give the option out of it, which is selfish.

Big kinks like that should always be optional.
 

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It is actually hard to define and limit... Somebody needs to write A Critique of Pure Cuckoldry a la Kant :unsure: .
especially cause cucking can mean something different to someone else. For me it implies humiliation / something close to being in the realm of Femdom where the wife / girlfriend is the one that denies the MC or makes him watch. I rarely see self denial as being a cuck ( depends on the context and relationship) While to others just the act of watching is being a cuck.
 
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It got personal when you said the dev shouldn't give the option out of it, which is selfish.
Never said that. I just dared to hint at the practical difficulties for the dev. I even reminded all that the dev indeed had given options just minutes ago. And why selfish? it isn't my kink. And you weren't even in the thread when I wrote that yesterday so how is it personal?
 

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Never said that. I just dared to hint at the practical difficulties for the dev. I even reminded all that the dev indeed had given options just minutes ago. And why selfish? it isn't my kink. And you weren't even in the thread when I wrote that yesterday so how is it personal?
You said proper cuck implying that chastity is the 'real' cuck option

Well, I disagree, and that mentality makes me angry. Not everyone wants it, but you assumed they do.
 
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You said proper cuck implying that chastity is the 'real' cuck option
Ok, in this one thing you are right and I have no problem in taking it back! It was too general, I here just followed the path the dev has given us with the inclinations and conversations of the FMC. But even that doesn't make it personal how could I have thought of you in that moment? Millions of cucks could feel hurt by that but they probably don't.
But I hope you also see that I never argued against options ingeneral, but for the maximal freedom of the dev who gets overburdened by players who are always offended and hurt and demand customization. This is not the way, I stand by that.
 
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Ok, in this one thing you are right and I have no problem in taking it back! It was too general, I here just followed the path the dev has given us with the inclinations and conversations of the FMC. But even that doesn't make it personal how could I have thought of you in that moment? Millions of cucks could feel hurt by that but they probably don't.
But I hope you also see that I never argued against options ingeneral, but for the maximal freedom of the dev who gets overburdened by players who are always offended and hurt and demand commodification. This is not the way, I stand by that.
Okay, I'm sorry for getting heated, too. And honestly I hate the word cuck anyway, it's too broad and useless a word.
 
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