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taboge9459

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For why there is so much hate on Helius, don't think of it as he's seen as some evil mustachio twirling villain, more so just a callous asshole using other peoples money in a way he definitely wouldn't if it was his own on the line. If he had his own, fixed pool of money he was investing you can bet he'd focus down and finish a project to raise more for the next. With his patreon he's just treating it as his own personal project fund whatever he see's fit, no thought to the project he was advertising at the time or choice given to the supporter as to what happens or if they get refunded/compensated in some other way. Some of his supporters are clearly fine with that, but you can't be surprised there's a lot of people who supported one of his projects and are pissed to see it abandoned with nothing in return for them. The difference in his attitude here is that if he had actual, proper venture capital being invested what he's doing would be considered embezzlement. You wouldn't be able to just raise funds for one project, abandon that with no consequences and put that money towards some other personal interest of yours. But Patreon has no quality control, so here we are.

As for why his entire past keeps getting brought up, it's just a good way to see how he'll behave in the future. If he has for the better part of a decade rug pulled his supporters, chances are he's not going to feel guilty rug pulling them once more. No one is saying that these events in the past are still ripping off each new patron, obviously origins being cancelled years ago doesn't impact patrons from this month. People bring it up as a "Hey, be careful. Just because he says this is what you're supporting now doesn't mean it's what he's going to put your money towards." This most recent campaign controversy is a good example. I'm sure most supporters don't really care or are happy to see resources not being wasted on a SFW campaign. But the few who may have been excited get nothing for that, and will be warned/banned for mentioning it's canceled in the discord server. Given this has happened with past elements of Helius's games like gallery mode or even any offline mode, and entire games, of course there wll be enough people burned to bring it up fairly often. When you consider a site like f95 sends traffic to games like this, it's even more likely other people who came from here and got burned are going to speak up and say "Hey, maybe don't support him, he's a dick."
 
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Holy fuck im going to have a stroke. The discord community its fucking brain dead beyond any immagination. It dosent matter how much sense you are trying to speak to them (millions of dollars, 3 years of development, 10 months of no updates, unoptimized, buggy, lacks content, just a bunch of animations not a game, ecc), they keep finding excuses to justify all this garbage scam behavior, its like a cult and project helius is their god or something. Why are they so unhealthily obsessed to protect this shit?
Retards do be retards, now you know what its like to be the majority of earths population, stupid people sharing and breathing the same air as us
 
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Mobile practices bring in the most money, people are slowly but surely getting used to p2w,pay to not grind, lootboxes .
Waifu collector gacha is super profitable and it costs the least to upkeep. Why it wouldn't work for porn game?
It only matters if there are alternatives. As long as the game has something that can't be found in other games that people want it will see success no matter the shitty practices they put in it.
Partly true. Gacha jpeg collectors were the easiest cheapest money earners around 2015-2020 but since then even gacha games are evolving to be more of an actual game because there are so many of them now they have to put in the slightest amount of effort and money to compete. It's easy to see the top 50-100 gacha earning bank with low effort games but then you don't see the tens of thousands of other gachas that are dead and failing horribly losing more money than they make. Meanwhile games that are just pay and buy will end up making more than these gacha ever will. There are a lot of jrpg with relatively low budgets but still full games then they might pad some extra money with dlc costumes which honestly im fine with. Yea really if it's already created it should just be in the game but a few extra dollars for a costume in a 40+ hour jrpg is nothing compared to games that you have to buy and then pay constant fees to unlock anything like this game is going to be.

Really it's all speculative and you can only use intelligence to predict what should be basic logic of the game. In my mind with logic there is not going to be a playerbase who are willing to buy this game for 30-40 dollars then straight away need to buy a battlepass to unlock any content then continue that every few months to have a "game" when there are other games out there which are animation simulators too like honey select where with the huge effort of opening discord you can get infinite new characters instead of paying for it through a battlepass. It's not an untouched market the thing about porn games is you buy the game you unlock all the shit and you use it then quit. Who is the target market of people who want to buy a game full price pay constant microtransactions to unlock other basic characters and then grind for hundreds of hours to unlock 1 animation? It just doesn't exist by any logic at all lol. I think it had some potential like instead of grinding for hours by being a cuck watching others use different animations you actually grinded a single player game part of the game and then had the battlepass for unlocking premium content it could have been passable but it's literally an animation simulator with 2 maps and 3 characters. Again I can open up honey select 2 with next gen skin have better graphics infinite maps infinite characters way more animations with people modding more animations for free why would I ever pay in to this lol?

This game only has 1 extreme niche going for it and it's the monster porn. But if you try to google that shit and find out how little is ever created you will see it's not popular and not a selling point. I know I may be proved wrong and the game may do crazy well but that's not because my logic is wrong it's because the world is full of retards who will pay insane amounts for something that they can get for free in different porn games. Regardless I stand by what I said in the fact I believe this game would have done infinitely better if it stuck to a porn xcom where you unlock from an actual game then enjoy the adult content on the side. Even sticking a battlepass in that would of been acceptable but there is not acceptance scrapping the entire game making it 100% only animation simulator and then trying to charge more than ever for it won't accept anyone trying to defend it.
 

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Partly true. Gacha jpeg collectors were the easiest cheapest money earners around 2015-2020 but since then even gacha games are evolving to be more of an actual game because there are so many of them now they have to put in the slightest amount of effort and money to compete. It's easy to see the top 50-100 gacha earning bank with low effort games but then you don't see the tens of thousands of other gachas that are dead and failing horribly losing more money than they make. Meanwhile games that are just pay and buy will end up making more than these gacha ever will. There are a lot of jrpg with relatively low budgets but still full games then they might pad some extra money with dlc costumes which honestly im fine with. Yea really if it's already created it should just be in the game but a few extra dollars for a costume in a 40+ hour jrpg is nothing compared to games that you have to buy and then pay constant fees to unlock anything like this game is going to be.
Normal games fail as well, it is far harder to make good normal game and return profit then gacha. Obviously market saturation is a thing and that is the one thing that is saving us from getting overrun by live service games.

Really it's all speculative and you can only use intelligence to predict what should be basic logic of the game. In my mind with logic there is not going to be a playerbase who are willing to buy this game for 30-40 dollars then straight away need to buy a battlepass to unlock any content then continue that every few months to have a "game" when there are other games out there which are animation simulators too like honey select where with the huge effort of opening discord you can get infinite new characters instead of paying for it through a battlepass. It's not an untouched market the thing about porn games is you buy the game you unlock all the shit and you use it then quit. Who is the target market of people who want to buy a game full price pay constant microtransactions to unlock other basic characters and then grind for hundreds of hours to unlock 1 animation? It just doesn't exist by any logic at all lol. I think it had some potential like instead of grinding for hours by being a cuck watching others use different animations you actually grinded a single player game part of the game and then had the battlepass for unlocking premium content it could have been passable but it's literally an animation simulator with 2 maps and 3 characters. Again I can open up honey select 2 with next gen skin have better graphics infinite maps infinite characters way more animations with people modding more animations for free why would I ever pay in to this lol?
You are using some extreme hyperbole there. Let's start that game will be free, i don't recall what exactly is in the free version now but you will be able to join harem and preview what people are doing. Classic trick - look at the toys others have, you can have them too if you pay.
You say people won't spend money meanwhile the beta release made a big spike on Helius patreon from people buying into beta, beta for free game!
The aspect of unlocking stuff/scenes - that is something that can kill gacha game. If it is too hard people will quit before you can convert them to spenders, if it is too easy then they won't need to spend.

You mention Honey select - just how much time and money was spent to develop the mods to where they are now? next gen skin is a paid mod i believe. You will often run into situation that stuff doesn't look as it was on the screenshot when loading other people stuff. There aren't that many "in game" animations and they easily break/look bad based on character proportions.
Despite all the work put into uncensors the penetration is still crap, dick is clearly shrinking rather then going in and if you disable that you will have it go where it shouldn't in some anims (maybe it's fixed now ). To really have fun with HS you need to go into Studio Neo but that requires a lot of effort to set your scenes up there.
Also people want out of box experience, people actually pay dude to put a bunch of mods together and keep updating so they don't have to.

Ok.. back to topic ... while i agree Honey Select 2 is good alternative there is plenty of reason why people are interested in FD:OL.

This game only has 1 extreme niche going for it and it's the monster porn. But if you try to google that shit and find out how little is ever created you will see it's not popular and not a selling point. I know I may be proved wrong and the game may do crazy well but that's not because my logic is wrong it's because the world is full of retards who will pay insane amounts for something that they can get for free in different porn games. Regardless I stand by what I said in the fact I believe this game would have done infinitely better if it stuck to a porn xcom where you unlock from an actual game then enjoy the adult content on the side. Even sticking a battlepass in that would of been acceptable but there is not acceptance scrapping the entire game making it 100% only animation simulator and then trying to charge more than ever for it won't accept anyone trying to defend it.
Not only one but yes it is big appeal. Monster porn is not popular ? what? you check the games posted here maybe ? Google probably not best source given problematic nature of monster stuff.

Regarding abandoning campaign - Helius had question in his poll about what people want to get developed more - campaign or more animations. I think that most people voted for animations that is why he outright said campaign is scrapped rather then pretending it is still being worked on.
 
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taboge9459

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Regarding abandoning campaign - Helius had question in his poll about what people want to get developed more - campaign or more animations. I think that most people voted for animations that is why he outright said campaign is scrapped rather then pretending it is still being worked on.
If they voted for that and still get banned mentioning it, then that's just sad.


Also discord posted the most foul thing I've ever seen. I know they have some cult-like takes but this is just evil.
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Anyone wearing those head condoms needs help.
 
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I'd be curious about what this corruption is but I'm fairly confident the response I'm going to bet it isn't based on reality or any logical reasoning. You should include specific information of your supposed conspiracy theories so we can at least tag along for your lunacy.
The hell are you on about? You got a little too hot in the face there to read properly, buddy?

I'm just stating the simple fact that even negative posts about the game show people are still interested in it, but after 8 years of development hell there's going to be valid criticisms about how the project's managed, about how unpopular and unnecessary the online features are, about how communication from the team has been contradictory at times, etc. etc. You want to disagree with that? Build a time machine and hop back four years to when you still had a leg to stand on.

I didn't declare anything about corruption, but if that's what you automatically think of when you hear "criticism", then that says a lot about your mindset.
 
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They can try to twist semantics as hard as they want to, the cold hard fact demonstrated in this thread is that PH is a team of chinese modders with unethic practices that found a way to make easy money milking the patreon system.

Being west-taiwan based, I doubt any kind of legal measures will ever reach them.
 
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Yes, they can be punished.
The western legal game markets like Steam can forcibly return money to buyers and also Patreon and etc. can ban those crooks, so they will cease doing any business within western world.
And in China what they are doing is illegal and can be prosecuted.
 

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so sad there's no Mac version...
if you'd play this on a mac, you would need a new mac the next day lmao
I honestly feel sad for all of you that don't have the option to use a proper computer and have to use that garbage. The OS is fine but the hardware is just...overpriced, I guess. You probably need to spend at least double the money for the same consistent performance
 

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if you'd play this on a mac, you would need a new mac the next day lmao
I honestly feel sad for all of you that don't have the option to use a proper computer and have to use that garbage. The OS is fine but the hardware is just...overpriced, I guess. You probably need to spend at least double the money for the same consistent performance
well yeah os is perfect in everything except gaming...
 
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if you'd play this on a mac, you would need a new mac the next day lmao
I honestly feel sad for all of you that don't have the option to use a proper computer and have to use that garbage. The OS is fine but the hardware is just...overpriced, I guess. You probably need to spend at least double the money for the same consistent performance
If only Macs had vulkan 1.3 support then they would actually be a viable option, but now its either windows or unironically linux if you want to play modern games
 
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