Ren'Py Family, Friends and Strangers [v2024.10] [JohnAndRich]

[Rich]

Indeed. By the way and don't blame me Rich, but I like much more the FFSDH. By the way have you ever thought about a third route of the FF&S... with more blackmail and aggresive scenes?

That's the reason I started STDH - because there were people who were looking for content that didn't "fit" with the main story line I was intending to tell, and I figured I'd see what the reaction to some of "that type of content" was.

As to going back and reworking FFS into a different story arc, well, it's an idea, but I don't know if it's a good one. The type of content you're talking about is very... "niche." This whole project was intended to be somewhat niche from the beginning, of course, but I'm honestly not sure whether the time and effort of going back and reworking 80% of the content is something that I'm up for.

I've been working on this project for over 6 years now. (It's very much a "nights and weekends" deal, with "real life" regularly interrupting.) I haven't yet decided whether I want to try to do something else in "this universe" when I bring FF&S to a close, whether I want to tackle something in another direction, or whether I want to focus on something other than adult VN's. So by "good idea," I mean "good idea for me, given where I am right now."

More thought to be given on the matter, to be sure.

 

[Rich]

To add to the above, I hasten to say that I really, really appreciate the support I've gotten from this community. You're a great group of people, and I wouldn't have gotten as far as I have with FFS and STDH without the encouragement I've gotten here.

 

[oktabitt]

That's the reason I started STDH - because there were people who were looking for content that didn't "fit" with the main story line I was intending to tell, and I figured I'd see what the reaction to some of "that type of content" was.

As to going back and reworking FFS into a different story arc, well, it's an idea, but I don't know if it's a good one. The type of content you're talking about is very... "niche." This whole project was intended to be somewhat niche from the beginning, of course, but I'm honestly not sure whether the time and effort of going back and reworking 80% of the content is something that I'm up for.

I've been working on this project for over 6 years now. (It's very much a "nights and weekends" deal, with "real life" regularly interrupting.) I haven't yet decided whether I want to try to do something else in "this universe" when I bring FF&S to a close, whether I want to tackle something in another direction, or whether I want to focus on something other than adult VN's. So by "good idea," I mean "good idea for me, given where I am right now."

More thought to be given on the matter, to be sure.

Because this story has very big potentials... I will vote not to make a new one but instead to create a third route. Anyway, I wish you Merry Christmas.

 

[hmc15]

No, of course you're not the only one. That was exactly my point in the post your responded to - the same requests have been made over and over again. And my response has been consistent - that JohnCBB and I started off telling the story that we wanted to tell, and that, even after his departure, I've continued with that story.

As to the "a lot more than a hobby" comment, I have to respectfully say that I consider that to be... how shall I say this nicely? Let's go with "unsubstantiated speculation." Despite all the baying at the moon for certain types of content, when I introduced STDH and started providing that content, my number of patrons/subscribers only marginally increased. So, I'd have to say that the available evidence disagrees with your assertion.

Regardless of what I add to the story, the vast majority of the people who frequent this thread are going to continue to wait for someone else to post their copy instead of subscribing. It's a pirate site, after all, right? The odds of me attracting the kind of audience that DarkCookie or MrDots have are essentially zero.

So, without meaning insult, you too can join the long list of people to whom I say "Yes, I've heard the request. If you don't like the content, best of luck in finding other projects that suit you better."

You have consistently rejected that type of content so, yes, most players have avoided this project altogether. If you were to consistently demonstrate game development into that direction I firmly believe your numbers would uptick considerably. Those taboo genres capture the largest audience and incest specifically is present in the Top 5 games on this board (Top 7/10 by Likes, Top 5 by Views, and Top 4/9 by Weighted Rating). A single update probably won't garner that fan base but consistently devoting production time and script/story development absolutely would as the original literotica story/theme is a well-established fan favorite.

Consider making a Path C when you're done current Path and you'll see what I mean. It will greatly extend the life of this game and definitely expand the width of your wallet.

 

[xert13]

I have actually subbed this game off and on for a while now. Only unsubscribing when updates were taking three months + which I completely understand. The original story was compelling and the MC/cop “scam” was a novel idea. The long awaited Becky scene was great. The story, to me, seems at a crossroads. I could be wrong, but think the devs reached the end of their original story arc. I respect the Devs vision. It is their story to tell and I will continue to sub on and off. I think some of us (don’t want to say “many” because I have no idea) would love to see the MC get some comeuppance. That’s why we think the story, at this point, is ripe for some NTR. He is kind of a wanker cheating on Becky with multiple girls. Some previous scenes kinda *suggest* a possible scene with Becky getting some payback - the Cheerleaders sort of sharing boys or Becky getting snagged by the cop unbeknownst to MC. Anyhow, I get the Dev’s position - he is going to do his thing and if you do’t like it go pound salt. I would caution, however, that some of us on this site do sub the game. It’s a nice way to discover new games, try them out and sub the ones we like. Regardless, cheers!

 

[L.Lumpy]

You have consistently rejected that type of content so, yes, most players have avoided this project altogether.

Except that he hasn't - that was the entire point of STDH, as he indicated. If you want stats, 4 out of 11 of the stories there involve Parker and his sister. That doesn't sound like "consistently rejected" to me.

Consider making a Path C when you're done current Path and you'll see what I mean. It will greatly extend the life of this game and definitely expand the width of your wallet.

So, you want him to invest months of his time on this new path based solely on your "expert opinion" that "people will come?" This place has a long history of people promising "I'll subscribe if..." and not following through, since they can usually rely on somebody else who is paying to post the game for them. What makes you think that, even if he did so, that this project would somehow stand out among all the other incest-based projects here enough to "widen his wallet?" "Top 5 are X" does not instantly translate into "X will put you in the Top 5."

Note that I'm not saying that this isn't great work. But Rich has made it clear that it was targeted at a different niche, and you're hammering him because it isn't your preferred niche. If that's what you're looking for, then maybe you should be looking elsewhere.

And who's to say that if he did, that he wouldn't lose many of his current supporters who are here for what is in the story, not what you want added.

 

[Maverick369]

Except that he hasn't - that was the entire point of STDH, as he indicated. If you want stats, 4 out of 11 of the stories there involve Parker and his sister. That doesn't sound like "consistently rejected" to me.



So, you want him to invest months of his time on this new path based solely on your "expert opinion" that "people will come?" This place has a long history of people promising "I'll subscribe if..." and not following through, since they can usually rely on somebody else who is paying to post the game for them. What makes you think that, even if he did so, that this project would somehow stand out among all the other incest-based projects here enough to "widen his wallet?" "Top 5 are X" does not instantly translate into "X will put you in the Top 5."

Note that I'm not saying that this isn't great work. But Rich has made it clear that it was targeted at a different niche, and you're hammering him because it isn't your preferred niche. If that's what you're looking for, then maybe you should be looking elsewhere.

And who's to say that if he did, that he wouldn't lose many of his current supporters who are here for what is in the story, not what you want added.

I think people want to see something happen btw Parker and mom. Stdh would be ideal place for that

 

[oktabitt]

I think people want to see something happen btw Parker and mom. Stdh would be ideal place for that

Vote to that.

 

[BogoHobo]

No, there has never been incest anywhere in this game and tags are being set either by the OP poster or forum staff, so they are often wrong and go against what the author has said and confirmed.

But you might be confusing the main game with the Scenes That Didn't Happen.



Sometimes the word is just a word, without double meanings or winking. Definitely not a "misleading advertisement", but a descriptive word for the actual set of characters in the game.

This is not entirely true. I created a spreadsheet long ago of the games I came across and wanted play at some point. This game was placed in the "Incest" catagory/genre and when I went back to play it later (sometime after the 1st or 2nd update) the tag had been removed. Now I don't know if the Dev did a 180 and decided not to have incest in the game and had it removed or if the people that posted it on this site simply made a mistake, but it did have an "INCEST" tag on it when it was first posted. That is all I can say for sure.

 

[Penfold Mole]

This is not entirely true. I created a spreadsheet long ago of the games I came across and wanted play at some point. This game was placed in the "Incest" catagory/genre and when I went back to play it later (sometime after the 1st or 2nd update) the tag had been removed. Now I don't know if the Dev did a 180 and decided not to have incest in the game and had it removed or if the people that posted it on this site simply made a mistake, but it did have an "INCEST" tag on it when it was first posted. That is all I can say for sure.

Tags are set by F95 staff or the thread OP owner, often without asking the dev or his consent. As you can see, this thread was not created by Rich and neither were the original tags.
Looks like whoever set the tags, expected the game to follow John's original story, but this has never been the intention for the game.

And as you can see, the false tag was removed later on.

I'm pretty sure this is not the first time I've said this.
BTW, you've been here long enough to know how tagging works around here and how much game developers have control over their creation on F95

 

[gunzen]

developer rich. i too, prefer stdh. also prefer emily in the fuck off version of ffas; but you seem to have dissed emily in favor of becky, not even 10 minutes into that part of the show.

and now that you've done a bro/sis thing with parker/sis for stdh, perhaps you can do a mom/son thing with parker/mom. they're both mels. so this forgetful person mixes up their names. the mom/son thing shouldn't be as cruel as the original chap 3 in literotica. maybe mom/son stress relief, more so the mother's. hey i mean, if she is gonna be forced to fuck a dc (dirty cop), then she should fuck all she wants with whoever (her son).

 

[Elkfood]

Becky wishes you a happy new year!

 

[Rich]

developer rich. i too, prefer stdh. also prefer emily in the fuck off version of ffas; but you seem to have dissed emily in favor of becky, not even 10 minutes into that part of the show.

Well, if you recall the story, Emily is off in ALC, whereas Parker is not, and Emily has latched onto a new boy over there after Parker left. So there is relatively little opportunity for Emily and Parker to cross paths.

I had one STDH scene in mind for Emily, but my supporters over on SubscribeStar were all kind of "meh" about more content for her, so I've been focused on where my supporters are more interested.

and now that you've done a bro/sis thing with parker/sis for stdh, perhaps you can do a mom/son thing with parker/mom.

Sigh. Do we have to go around this particular issue every five minutes?

 

[Rich]

Tags are set by F95 staff or the thread OP owner, often without asking the dev or his consent. As you can see, this thread was not created by Rich and neither were the original tags.
Looks like whoever set the tags, expected the game to follow John's original story, but this has never been the intention for the game.

Almost correct. I actually created the thread, but all the initial tags were put on by other people. I sort of had a running battle with the folks that would run around tagging stuff because there were a number of tags that were put on that weren't correct, I removed them, somebody else re-added them, etc., etc.

 

[WaltS]

Sigh. Do we have to go around this particular issue every five minutes?

Well, that's the way the p0rn world works - 30 sec attention span and all that

 

[TheUberstuff]

Well, if you recall the story, Emily is off in ALC, whereas Parker is not, and Emily has latched onto a new boy over there after Parker left. So there is relatively little opportunity for Emily and Parker to cross paths.

I had one STDH scene in mind for Emily, but my supporters over on SubscribeStar were all kind of "meh" about more content for her, so I've been focused on where my supporters are more interested.



Sigh. Do we have to go around this particular issue every five minutes?

I personally am grateful for this game, do I like every single thing about it? No but I like it well enough and I appreciate Rich being active on the forum.

I completely understand wanting to make the game more to the liking of people who are ACTUALLY supporting the game. If I were a dev that is exactly what I would do and honestly Rich is a lot more patient with people who constantly demand stuff but aren't contributing 1 cent to the work. I asked for something a couple of times and got an answer.... wasn't the answer I hoped for but I moved on.

 

[Frankbob]

The last STDH was really good! Parker loved seeing his girl getting railed and the whole swinging/sharing vibe was amazing!! Nice work Rich!

 

[Rich]

The last STDH was really good! Parker loved seeing his girl getting railed and the whole swinging/sharing vibe was amazing!! Nice work Rich!

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.