great update, the part with mom talking and remembering the night when she had sex with her daughters was awesome
SoggyLuffy
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I do not know if the SE gets an update now, it is possible, but don´t know. Still, the old SE patch put in the new update enables it and a new scene without fuss.
Szpigel
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Avaron1974
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I really enjoy the game apart from the sex talk.
It's all the same regardless of who's getting fucked.
Calling someone a bitch, slut, whore and treating them like their worthless has it's place but not constantly. Use some imagination, there is far more to dirty talk than just degradation.
It's probably a me thing. I just prefer sexy talk to be, well, sexy.
To be fair, the only person who really fits that kind of talk during sex is Kiara.
It's the main reason I have a different opinion to quite a few people on this site about talking during sex. I know a lot of people insist on it and don't like sex scenes without it but personally I really don't like it.
It's not any devs fault really but very few manage to make sex talk sound hot . Most of the time it's the same as it is here, just calling them sluts, bitches and whores. Works for some people but it's not sexy and, for me personally, takes far more away from a sex scene than adds to it.
Just from my perspective, I want my partner to feel sexy and turned on by what i'm saying not talking to them like they are worthless and only any good for a fuck.
It works for scenes with Kiara when she wants it rough but when it's also used during a romantic night with Anne it's shit.
It's not like the dev can't write a sexy scene either. The parts where he fucks Anne and tells her what he did with their daughters were great. He also ruins it by then calling her a slut for getting turned on.
It's all the same regardless of who's getting fucked.
Calling someone a bitch, slut, whore and treating them like their worthless has it's place but not constantly. Use some imagination, there is far more to dirty talk than just degradation.
It's probably a me thing. I just prefer sexy talk to be, well, sexy.
To be fair, the only person who really fits that kind of talk during sex is Kiara.
It's the main reason I have a different opinion to quite a few people on this site about talking during sex. I know a lot of people insist on it and don't like sex scenes without it but personally I really don't like it.
It's not any devs fault really but very few manage to make sex talk sound hot . Most of the time it's the same as it is here, just calling them sluts, bitches and whores. Works for some people but it's not sexy and, for me personally, takes far more away from a sex scene than adds to it.
Just from my perspective, I want my partner to feel sexy and turned on by what i'm saying not talking to them like they are worthless and only any good for a fuck.
It works for scenes with Kiara when she wants it rough but when it's also used during a romantic night with Anne it's shit.
It's not like the dev can't write a sexy scene either. The parts where he fucks Anne and tells her what he did with their daughters were great. He also ruins it by then calling her a slut for getting turned on.
Fenric Andrias
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Ugh. This is why I say don't let your audience dictate what your game is. I mean why bother putting gay m/m scenes in your incest themed game if you aren't going to do daddy/son content. Why did he even put a gay flashback scene in the recent update with the MC and another guy if there wasn't going to be anymore m/m scenes with him?
Because it's just a small possible option that the paying audience has voted against? It's not like it's something that changes the entire nature of the game, you know? While I personally would've liked to see this possible route (romantic/physical relationship between them), the existing alternative - an actual dad/son relationship with Phillip constantly asking MC for an advice and MC acting as a life mentor to him - is a legit option.
Szpigel
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To be fair to the dev, the idea only started being floated around after someone suggested it to him a few chapters ago, so I guess he only really thought it would be worth adding if a lot of players wanted it. And since the premium players decisively voted against including it, there's no motivation to integrate it into the story now.
I think the flashback scene is supposed to be just fanservice for those who really wanted to see M/M MC content, but I agree that it's sending out mixed signals to players. Imo, it would make more sense in terms of writing for the flashback to mark the start of a bi/curious MC storyline instead of ending it as soon as it starts with a "I've never experimented with guys after that because I met Anne and wasn't interested anymore" (meanwhile they have an open relationship and he meets and dates plenty of other women while they are married, including his mother in law, so it's hard to believe that marriage put a fullstop on that; like all the years they've been going to the swinger resort, they've never encountered a couple where the husband is bi or something to explore it more, without strings attached?)
MCK-Games
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Hello everyone,
There’s a bit of irony in some of the feedback: if I started adding every suggested scene, I’d essentially let others dictate the content — which is exactly what some are criticizing.
For context: certain scenes (like the flashback gay one that was mentioned) were included because they were specifically requested by premium supporters who contributed significantly. If there’s enough demand from supporters for a different idea, it could be considered — but it still has to fit the overall vision of the game.
The same applies to suggestions like the proposed kinky scene with Tanisha, Philipp and Max. Interesting concept, but it doesn’t match the intended direction of the story.
I’ve already integrated a wide range of kinks into the game, but I can’t realistically add everything without losing focus or driving myself crazy.
And honestly — if I tried to follow every suggestion here, I’d probably end up in Arkham already. They range from “drop Philipp completely” to “add a Tyras/Philipp scene,” or from “remove all swinger content” to “add even more swinger content.”
Best,
MCK
There’s a bit of irony in some of the feedback: if I started adding every suggested scene, I’d essentially let others dictate the content — which is exactly what some are criticizing.
For context: certain scenes (like the flashback gay one that was mentioned) were included because they were specifically requested by premium supporters who contributed significantly. If there’s enough demand from supporters for a different idea, it could be considered — but it still has to fit the overall vision of the game.
The same applies to suggestions like the proposed kinky scene with Tanisha, Philipp and Max. Interesting concept, but it doesn’t match the intended direction of the story.
I’ve already integrated a wide range of kinks into the game, but I can’t realistically add everything without losing focus or driving myself crazy.
And honestly — if I tried to follow every suggestion here, I’d probably end up in Arkham already. They range from “drop Philipp completely” to “add a Tyras/Philipp scene,” or from “remove all swinger content” to “add even more swinger content.”
Best,
MCK
Fenric Andrias
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I'm sorry but I don't buy that. From the start this was a "MC has incest with his daughters" type game and when you start hinting (and then outright stating) that Phil has gay/bi-curious sensibilities and have him actually exploring his sexuality with another guy then the logical implication is that there would be eventually dad/son content. If he didn't want that then he should have left Phil as a 100% straight character.
Plus as I stated above, this is another case of letting your patrons/audience dictate what should be in your game. I can guarantee you that the people who voted this down weren't even playing the gay content anyways. So why is he letting them ruin it for the rest of us? Have a clear vision of what you want your game to be and don't let your subscribers say otherwise. I've played too many games where that happened and they all became a muddled mess (with a lot of them eventually being abandoned)
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Well all I can say is you cant make everyone happy. It is the way of life.
I for one are very appreciative that I can play your game for FREE.
Szpigel
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I think the contention is that, for a lot of players, an MC/Philipp storyline doesn't really contradict the story or the direction that it seems to be going in (and, in my opinion, the seeds are already there for it to come together - the number of taboos that are already being broken, Philipp's discovery/exploration of his sexuality, him opening up to the MC about it first, before anyone else, already sharing/having a threesome together at this point in this story and being sexually open, MC revealing he has previous experience with men; it doesn't have to happen, but it easily could).
On the other hand, writing Philipp out wouldn't really make sense and goes against everything that's been built up so far. It's not at all a reasonable direction for the game to take, and the two suggestions are quite different in how they would affect the game and it's story.
MCK-Games
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Hey there.
that’s exactly why I won’t add such a scene to the game:
I do value the feedback, but not every idea will fit. If I tried to follow every suggestion, the game would lose its focus and identity.
That said — if enough subscribers genuinely ask for such a scene, I’d be open to revisiting the idea. You’ve got two and a half weeks while I’m away on vacation and before start developing Chapter 15.
Regards MCK
that’s exactly why I won’t add such a scene to the game:
- The MC was never intended to be bi — if he were, I would’ve had to restructure the whole game.
- I find it totally believable that someone could have one gay experience, realize it isn’t for them, and still be a swinger — because that’s real life.
- Philipp’s gay coming-of-age path was already part of the concept when I designed the game.
- I have a clear vision for the game and its ending, and I want to keep it consistent.
I do value the feedback, but not every idea will fit. If I tried to follow every suggestion, the game would lose its focus and identity.
That said — if enough subscribers genuinely ask for such a scene, I’d be open to revisiting the idea. You’ve got two and a half weeks while I’m away on vacation and before start developing Chapter 15.
Regards MCK
On a side note - where are we currently in terms of story? It kind of feels like we're closing on a finish line in some paths, while others (like Alex) feel like just the beginnings. Is there any approximation of how many more chapters there will be?
MCK-Games
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Hey.
Thanks for the question. Yes I calculate with 20 chapters maximum and an epilogue.
Expect new turns and return to the beginnings of the game.
Cheers MCK
Avaron1974
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I'm going to assume there are main love interest Philip can end up with.
Anyone know who they are?
Anyone know who they are?