Ren'Py Fashion Business [Ep.5 v2.01 Extra] [DecentMonkey]

[Stan5851]

I'd almost be happy for more Monica and Fred stuff

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[qazxsw80]

Porn casting! Who want's that. I was looking forward to more kickboxing animations. That shit is where it's at.

Well, there is a guy here who prefers kickboxing to the porn branch - Stan5851.

It's been 5 updates since any progress with the porn studio however Victoria has been in every one of those updates including ep4v7, which is the last time it featured. Are we sure Monica is still the main character? I'd almost be happy for more Monica and Fred stuff if it means Victoria takes a long overdue break.

My guess is that Ostego has taken Decent Monkey hostage and is forcing him to make an event with Victoria in every update.)

I think there haven't been any events with Fred for so long because Decent Monkey himself doesn't know where that branch is going. I mean, Fred is going to marry Monica? Fred is going to get rid of that old guy and is going to fuck both Monica and Betty every day? It is a very strange branch.

 

[Stan5851]

I didn't see a single negative comment about the kickboxing match on the dev's Patreon page. What's more, this update received more likes from patrons than the previous one. Coincidence? I don't think so.

 

[Stan5851]

Porn casting! Who want's that. I was looking forward to more kickboxing animations. That shit is where it's at.

Personally, I'm not interested in this porn casting at all, nor in the whole route with Ms White. But everyone has their own tastes, of course.

As for motion capture technology, the next thing in line (judging by the announcement) is a potentially epic strip battle in Shiny Hole. (between Monica and... it's not clear who yet) However, while DM invited real female kickboxers to participate in kickboxing, who then performed their work in motion capture suits, I am uncertain how this will be handled in the case of pole dancing. Will DM invite professional female strippers? Or will Evka have to dance hard around the pole?

 

[PickerLewd]

I think those suits are similar to the ones divers use, but DM only had one, so he couldn't record the fight between the two girls and it took him much longer to complete the task.

If the people at L7Team found some girls to record the movements, they will surely do it again or wear the suit themselves as punishment .

DM is taking a unique path when everyone else seems to be focusing on AI. In fact, some of the AI animations are so realistic that they're a little creepy, and some have been banned because some mods think they use images of real people.

 

[Stan5851]

DM is taking a unique path when everyone else seems to be focusing on AI. In fact, some of the AI animations are so realistic that they're a little creepy, and some have been banned because some mods think they use images of real people.

As for the uniqueness of DM's path, I agree that. When it comes to AI, I recently played the beta version of RenPy AVN with AI animation...At first, there was a certain “wow” effect, but then, upon closer inspection, I realized that it was quite cheap/creepy and soulless (although it looks realistic on the surface).

But AVN RenPy games don't need ultra-realism. (imo) DAZ and Blender give excellent results and quality. And when it comes to creating AI animation (if we're only talking about indie AVN), I think this is used by devs who don't have the powerful hardware needed to create high-quality graphics and animation based on DAZ or Blender.

 

[agn25]

Personally, I'm not interested in this porn casting at all, nor in the whole route with Ms White. But everyone has their own tastes, of course.

As for motion capture technology, the next thing in line (judging by the announcement) is a potentially epic strip battle in Shiny Hole. (between Monica and... it's not clear who yet) However, while DM invited real female kickboxers to participate in kickboxing, who then performed their work in motion capture suits, I am uncertain how this will be handled in the case of pole dancing. Will DM invite professional female strippers? Or will Evka have to dance hard around the pole?

I don't have a problem with DM using motion capture I have an issue with what he chose to do with it. Kickboxing? really.

If he wants to improve his animations why not improve the deepthroat animations for a start. We had two good examples in ep5v1. Biff with the inverted facefuck of Monica in the Mrs White scene and the Steve and Monica scene, that for me was the one interesting event that happened in the kickboxing ring. They're meant to be scenes of Monica being deepthroated but have no tears welling in the eyes or any drool dripping down her forehead or chin. If he is going to take his time on better animations for the love of god improve the NSFW animations.

I'm not saying the kickboxing scenes storyline was any worse than other scenes. Just that what he chose to put time money and effort into was not ideal. Just like in ep2 and 3 with those mini scenes of Monica serving the customers as a waitress in the Shinyhole. Those scenes are fine as you play through the game but imagine if he motion captured some waitresses serving food and drinks. Would that improve those scenes? Maybe but the time and effort to do that would be a waste. Those scenes are fine as they are. Just as the kickboxing would have been fine with just still renders and maybe one or two animations of Monica winning or losing. Again if he wants to improve the animations, improve the animations of the sex scenes.

I didn't see a single negative comment about the kickboxing match on the dev's Patreon page. What's more, this update received more likes from patrons than the previous one. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Are these the same Patreons who love the Monica and Fred stuff? Think they are more of a vocal minority At least I hope they are. Patreons like me just finished the update and quietly went on with their lives. The update inspired me to give a one word review. It just left me flat with no motivation to comment on the update.

I don't like shitting on a game that I obviously love so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Stan5851]

I don't have a problem with DM using motion capture I have an issue with what he chose to do with it. Kickboxing? really.

If he wants to improve his animations why not improve the deepthroat animations for a start. We had two good examples in ep5v1. Biff with the inverted facefuck of Monica in the Mrs White scene and the Steve and Monica scene, that for me was the one interesting event that happened in the kickboxing ring. They're meant to be scenes of Monica being deepthroated but have no tears welling in the eyes or any drool dripping down her forehead or chin. If he is going to take his time on better animations for the love of god improve the NSFW animations.

I'm not saying the kickboxing scenes storyline was any worse than other scenes. Just that what he chose to put time money and effort into was not ideal. Just like in ep2 and 3 with those mini scenes of Monica serving the customers as a waitress in the Shinyhole. Those scenes are fine as you play through the game but imagine if he motion captured some waitresses serving food and drinks. Would that improve those scenes? Maybe but the time and effort to do that would be a waste. Those scenes are fine as they are. Just as the kickboxing would have been fine with just still renders and maybe one or two animations of Monica winning or losing. Again if he wants to improve the animations, improve the animations of the sex scenes.


Are these the same Patreons who love the Monica and Fred stuff? Think they are more of a vocal minority At least I hope they are. Patreons like me just finished the update and quietly went on with their lives. The update inspired me to give a one word review. It just left me flat with no motivation to comment on the update.

I don't like shitting on a game that I obviously love so I'll leave it at that.

So, according to your logic, DM should have invited professional prostitutes instead of professional female kickboxers, dressed them in expensive MOCAP suits, and forced them to give someone a deep blowjob?

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[agn25]

So, according to your logic, DM should have invited professional prostitutes instead of professional female kickboxers, dressed them in expensive MOCAP suits, and forced them to give someone a deep blowjob?

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Now come on. I was clearly talking about improving the sex animations in the conventional way, not with Mocap. I understand how Mocap works and what it is. Yes in my opinion he should be working hard to improve his conventional animations with more details like I described in my earlier post not messing around and using time and resources making mocap animations.

My point about the waitress scene was nothing to do with the plot. It was pointing out that those scenes work fine without Mocap and wouldn't be much improved with it. I'm saying the Mocap work in ep5v1 is as wasted as it would be in those scenes.

The fact there has been nothing like the Mocap work done in ep5 or elsewhere doesn't help your argument. There is a good reason why it is rare. People don't play and especially pay for porn games that dedicate the devs time and energy on animations of any kind not directly involving a sexual angle. We want better sex animations not animations of women kicking each other in the head.

It's not surprising to me that you would choose animations of two women kickboxing over animations of Monica in action. You are the only player here I know of that has in his main playthrough, a Monica who avoids every sexual encounter possible.

I'd like him to concentrate on creating better conventional animations of Monica preforming various sex acts with more detail and not animating non sexual actions like kickboxing.

Even if he uses Mocap for the next pole dancing event, he would want to hire a good pole dancer and not some amateur enthusiast, or the results could be very underwhelming.

 

[qazxsw80]

I don't know, maybe all the patrons are raving about this update, but in this thread the reaction was quite different. There are so many negative comments that I cannot recall anything like that. So it seems to me that not everyone is excited by all that lesbian stuff, Monica revenging on her enemies and endless Victoria's stuff.
For me the update was ok, but no more than that. I liked a few moments here and there, , but that's about it.

Personal judgment on this update: after four months of waiting a few hot scenes and many scenes of long and useless dialogues with 2 miserable sex position of Monica....really disappointing

Having now finished this update my review is just one word.
Hubris.

I was very upset by the boxing story. I really hoped it would be a catfight. Domination and brutal humiliation of the defeated. Explicit scenes. Forced. But the author disappointed.

Boring update

I agree, very boring update. looks like dev is bored of this game too.

 

[DarkEnchanter]

Personally, I'm not interested in this porn casting at all, nor in the whole route with Ms White. But everyone has their own tastes, of course.

Personally, I think this could lead to Monica working permanently as a porn star on the side.

That would be a good alternative if Monica were to reject mommy´s offer, which means Monica can no longer work as a prostitute in the slums after doing so.

Working as a porn star could replace prostitution in the slums as a way to earn money.

Furthermore, Ms. White would not necessarily have to be permanently involved in the porn star career.

I would rather like to see Monica making porn for money than sucking dicks for only $15 to 20$ or so.

 

[MarioTurdo]

I don't know why, but game crashes in Ep.5 when I go to Monica's desk ...
Am I the only one ?
What can I do ?

PS : I love that game ... my best (with Desert Stalker)

 

[Stan5851]

Personally, I think this could lead to Monica working permanently as a porn star on the side.

That would be a good alternative if Monica were to reject mommy´s offer, which means Monica can no longer work as a prostitute in the slums after doing so.

Working as a porn star could replace prostitution in the slums as a way to earn money.

Furthermore, Ms. White would not necessarily have to be permanently involved in the porn star career.

I would rather like to see Monica making porn for money than sucking dicks for only $15 to 20$ or so.

I would prefer justice to prevail in the game, and after 7 years of torment, Monica would kick all bastard's ass and be able to resolve all her problems in a "normal way". Moreover, knowing how some of the game's secondary storylines end, I am absolutely certain that the porn casting arc will not end with Monica becoming a famous porn star, but with her being deceived again.

We've already had 4 bad endings, and only one of them (and even that's a stretch) can be called not outright bad. So I know how this classic reality works for Monica — she always loses. And personally, I'm pretty tired of it. I want my FMC to start winning and triumphing, even if it's only one ending out of many bad ones.

 

[Stan5851]

I don't know why, but game crashes in Ep.5 when I go to Monica's desk ...
Am I the only one ?
What can I do ?

PS : I love that game ... my best (with Desert Stalker)

It's hard to say, you need to check what's written in the traceback.txt file, which is located in the game folder. It contains information about the reasons for the game crash.

You need to load your save from Ep4v11, and then answer the game's questions about how Monica acted in the quests you didn't complete. After that, just continue playing. Also, make sure you are playing the original Ep5 v1.0.1.If you are using a compressed version created by third parties, no one can guarantee that its use will not cause problems and errors.

 

[Stan5851]

Now come on. I was clearly talking about improving the sex animations in the conventional way, not with Mocap. I understand how Mocap works and what it is. Yes in my opinion he should be working hard to improve his conventional animations with more details like I described in my earlier post not messing around and using time and resources making mocap animations.

I am not opposed to improving the animations (although they already have superb detail that few games can boast of)...But yes, there is always room for improvement. However, considering the well-established technological process, it is unlikely that DM will begin working on something like this right before the end of the game.

In addition, in his next project, the graphics and animations will be created in Blender rather than DAZ3D. So I'm more inclined to believe that he is currently actively exploring the capabilities of Blender (he himself wrote about learning to write scripts based on Blender and so on).

The fact there has been nothing like the Mocap work done in ep5 or elsewhere doesn't help your argument. There is a good reason why it is rare. People don't play and especially pay for porn games that dedicate the devs time and energy on animations of any kind not directly involving a sexual angle. We want better sex animations not animations of women kicking each other in the head.

Not everything in this world can be measured in terms of money and profit. Another person you know and I communicated (via Discord) with DM shortly before the release of Ep5v1 and even expressed concern that the titanic effort he put into this epic kickboxing scene might not pay off. To which DM replied (translated from Russian to English):

I admit that maybe it wasn't worth all the effort and it won't pay off, but I'm not making the game for the money. I want to create. The main thing is that I did it and achieved what I wanted.

So, if you will, it was a creative impulse and desire on the part of the dev himself, rather than some kind of economic calculation in the spirit of "whether it will pay off or not". And DM has every right to do so, after all— Fashion Business is his brainchild, and he has the right to do as he sees fit. And I believe that this was one of his best decisions. (imo)

It's not surprising to me that you would choose animations of two women kickboxing over animations of Monica in action. You are the only player here I know of that has in his main playthrough, a Monica who avoids every sexual encounter possible.

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I'd like him to concentrate on creating better conventional animations of Monica preforming various sex acts with more detail.

I would like that too, but as I already wrote, DM is unlikely to do this when the game is almost finished. (imo)

Even if he uses Mocap for the next pole dancing event, he would want to hire a good pole dancer and not some amateur enthusiast, or the results could be very underwhelming.

I believe DM knows this as well as we do, and this scene will definitely be top-notch.

 

[milo366061]

can i download only ep5? or do i need to download 1-4 too?

 

[Gamma902]

Can someone help me? I am playing EP 5 I met with turner The quest didn't up date and my only quest is to click on the table to start photoshoot in Monica's office and there are no options besides look at the table and walk up to the table and sit down what do I do?

 

[Stan5851]

can i download only ep5? or do i need to download 1-4 too?

All. Read the FB FAQ.

Can someone help me? I am playing EP 5 I met with turner The quest didn't up date and my only quest is to click on the table to start photoshoot in Monica's office and there are no options besides look at the table and walk up to the table and sit down what do I do?

Place Monica at the table, and you will immediately see a line with the currently available task.

 

[Tarz00n]

I would prefer justice to prevail in the game, and after 7 years of torment, Monica would kick all bastard's ass and be able to resolve all her problems in a "normal way". Moreover, knowing how some of the game's secondary storylines end, I am absolutely certain that the porn casting arc will not end with Monica becoming a famous porn star, but with her being deceived again.

This! Thank you!

After so many years, with and in this story and setting, that's how I see and feel it too.
Actually since the end of the second episode!
It's been a wild and crazy journey we've been on since the third episode - not always easy do deal with!

Technically speaking, the game is top-notch. I don't want to judge the theme, the setting, the violence, and people's humiliation kink any further (it just happened inevitably, as I mentioned it - sorry – I seem to be too much of a “vanilla type” )...
I just think that by now (as you said, after 7 years of this psychological and physical torture), the desire for and execution of “justice” seems only logical.
So the psychological and character development of the characters, especially Monica herself, is somewhat unworthy of the actual quality standard of the game (to put it bluntly, not meant to be harsh).
But it could also be due to the translation into English—the translation department and the associated storytelling in terms of monologues, thoughts, and dialogues should definitely get more “attention” in the next game; anything else would be a "shame" - if i'm allowed to put it that bluntly again.

But even that is not within my power to criticize too harshly, and it is a matter for the developer and team, who are by no means beginners anymore and seem to definitely live and grow through game development. The steadily increasing quality in technical, visual, and artistic terms cannot be overlooked and stay unmentioned.
I have the utmost respect and admiration for so much passion, discipline, and diligence! (playing around with DAZ and stuff a little bit - overwhelming!)
And when we've played games, read books, and watched movies, “we” are always the better developers, authors, directors, and actors and would/could have done everything muuuch better... not, of course!

And the fact, you mentioned in your discussion with agn25, that they even work with "mocap" here – I didn't know that, it seemed far too expensive and complicated to me – yes, I just think that's WOW, nice!

Yes, lots of words and almost no (important and big) meaning behind them...
I found/find your discussion with agn25 very interesting and insightful, lots of background information and perspectives, I like such things.
Thanks for that!
I'm not really expecting a response, I just wanted to get that off my chest and couldn't hold back – FB IS a fascinating universe in “our lewd" multiverse!
I hope we get a “cathartic” part in the story and storytelling – but who knows, this is not Hollywood, life never has a happy ending...

Ok, best wishes to all of you - stay healthy and funny!

 

[EraRamp]

You have written extensively. I will not read everything. You are all remarkable. I may disagree with some, but overall you are doing well. DDT