Ren'Py Fashion Business [Ep.5 v2.01 Extra] [DecentMonkey]

[Tarz00n]

This is an old official version that was once available for download before DM was forced to remove content featuring Bardie from Ep2.

So if you see (no matter on which website/forum) an archive with a name similar to FashionBusiness-EP2.1-v16-COMPLETED-Extra-pc.zip, it means that you are looking at the old version with Bardie. And if the archive is named FashionBusiness-EP2.1-v16-NewLife-Extra-pc.zip, it means that this is the new official version w/o Bardie (and w/o bugs).

I still haven't played the new version w/o Bardie, so it's hard for me to say how DM "filled the void" and what Monica does with Betty etc..But considering that I've always hated that little bastard, one day I'll try to find the time to play this version.

Ok, perfect answer - ty!
Now I got it completely, no speculations and confuse(ing) thinking and researching !

 

[Tarz00n]

Bardie and his content has been dropped a long time ago, this is not a new development. And what does that have to do with the claim: "This thread has gone to shit"? In fact, this is one of the most active threats I know, where enthusiastic fans are still discussing.

You can also express your displeasure in a more friendly way. Okay, you're a fan of Bardie, we got it. But you're coming a bit late with the criticism.

Hmm, but for me, this critisism is pretty new!

But, to be honest - it's always the same, just with different stories you could easily switch the forum, copy paste your stuff in a running conversation, if it's not to specific, nobody would recognize anything...
It's the eternal fan-boy vs. hate-boy battle, and they are switching roles all the time... hmm, maybe I found my base-storyline for a game in this...

 

[Tarz00n]

I also played both versions, without Bardie as the Steam version. I remember that the developer had little time to modify the content and simply removed the character and the storylines related to him. I also remember that part 2 was delivered as an add-on to part 1, which made the game transition smoothly from part 1 to part 2. That's why it had funny bugs, e.g. after staying at the hostel and before visiting Dick, Monica could check who had moved into her property. I hope the developer will fill in this plot hole in the revised game

Overall, I consider the beginning of part 5 to be very good. It has what we like about this game, but it also has its familiar flaws (everyone probably has their own opinion on which ones). I paid for it, and I will pay for the whole game. I hope it will happen soon.

Yes I've read about that! The problems with the "Family-friendliness"!
What a pity... - Dev should have called me!
Simple solution would have been:
- Let Bardie or Fred or even Mr. Roberts himself, install a CCTV - why? Whatever, this fits to the FB-Universe!
- Send Bardie to a boarding school on the moon, solved! Sad for the fans but the game/Dev has to survive somehow...
- "Introduce" an anonymous character (stays hidden all the time, unsolved mystery, keeps the fan-base busy )
- the "anonymous" is giving tasks and punishments to the women, is blackmailing all of them - perfect fitting in my opinion
- the gap in the story line would not be such deep...
- and so on... yeah - too late

I liked the rivalry between Betty and Monica.
So much space for character development would have been here.
I also like the fancy idea of the panty check thing - was such a burner, never seen something like this in another game/story...xD
Would have been a great way to introduce Monica in the adult world of sexuality, by her hated mistress xD... and the old man, and Fred of course - another micro-universe of the game... ahhhh, I'm so sad...couldn't tell you
Sadly, Monica is still a child (constantly abused), in a grown up body - that's pretty sick somehow... is not feeling that good.
There are many positive "reviews" about the game (and the huge content itself speaks also for it, game is selling, so let's try it...) that i think, I have to over come this... and yeah, it's a lot of top-notch stuff in there, makes fun somehow...on a little nerdy level...

Enough of fantasizing - ty for your reply and your insights!

 

[exazubi]

Hmm, but for me, this critisism is pretty new!

But, to be honest - it's always the same, just with different stories you could easily switch the forum, copy paste your stuff in a running conversation, if it's not to specific, nobody would recognize anything...
It's the eternal fan-boy vs. hate-boy battle, and they are switching roles all the time... hmm, maybe I found my base-storyline for a game in this...

The story is actually quite old; I think it's been two years since Bardie was erased from the game. Sure, he had his fans, but it's truly outrageous to insult the whole threat like this just because Bardie isn't being continued. After all, the community can't do anything about it.

To be fair, it's not such a shame about Bardie. He was just an immature, not even good-looking brat who was given too much power and actually just made the game unnecessarily difficult for us. He was the most annoying character of all, and his dialogue wasn't even well-written. The only thing I miss about the bardie content is the teacher. He was really good.

But let's face it: bad luck for Bardie. All other content is still in there. And that's more than enough.

 

[Stan5851]

Ok, perfect answer - ty!
Now I got it completely, no speculations and confuse(ing) thinking and researching !

And don't listen to the nonsense that agn25 writes (about "paid shills", lol). EraRamp is right, there are no people on the payroll here, only fans of the game. By the way, I have criticized this game many times for many things, while agn25 was happy with everything in it. And I'll say even more — once (3 years ago) I even had a falling out with DM because of my criticism at the time.

Since then, ofc, we've made up, but what I'm saying is that we're all living people with our own tastes, interests, and emotions. And if someone didn't like the last scene with kickboxing, that's still no reason to accuse others who, on the contrary, really liked that scene, of some mythical “mercenary/paid shills.”

 

[Tarz00n]

The story is actually quite old; I think it's been two years since Bardie was erased from the game. Sure, he had his fans, but it's truly outrageous to insult the whole threat like this just because Bardie isn't being continued. After all, the community can't do anything about it.

To be fair, it's not such a shame about Bardie. He was just an immature, not even good-looking brat who was given too much power and actually just made the game unnecessarily difficult for us. He was the most annoying character of all, and his dialogue wasn't even well-written. The only thing I miss about the bardie content is the teacher. He was really good.

But let's face it: bad luck for Bardie. All other content is still in there. And that's more than enough.

Like I said: I could live with and without Bardie (there are way bigger assholes, psychos and other shitheads in the game! xD) - but the content in the Buckfett/Roberts Mansion is a big loss! - could have been in game easily without Bardie...

The worst thing about the dialogue is definitely everything that comes from Victoria (I'm at the beginning of Ep. 3, maybe this changes...).
Anyone who deals with writing, screenplays, books, newspapers, etc., would never dare to publish something like this.
Anyone who takes a writing course to learn how to do this and submits something like this for correction would be given extra lessons in writing style and dramaturgy!
This is not a matter of opinion. That's just very poor craftsmanship. This could be done better!
But this may also be due to the translation into English. I don't know.
However, Victoria's constant third-person dialogue is also not very well done. It's too much; something like this should be used sparingly.
Yes, she's an absolute psychopathic, annoying child-like brat, but that much is not really authentic in that way.
Perhaps it comes across better in the original, but in English it's a complete disaster, because in addition to the poor stylistic device, the words are completely jumbled together in a sentence - like word-scrabble
Children talk about themselves in the third person until they discover the “self”. And a tribe in the pacific/indonesian ocean, but that's another story...
Talking about yourself in the third person creates distance, but at the expense of authenticity. Perhaps this is intentional (who wants to be near Victoria? Yeah, maybe to give her a acid-bubble-bath xD), as it helps the narrator portray a character as a psychopath or sociopath – but there isn't a single mentally normal, healthy person in the entire game - Mr. Roberts seems to be pretty normal (Ep. 3, beginning, as I said)
Or perhaps the stylistic device has simply fallen victim to the translation, but even so, it cannot be accepted without comment. You can't do that to the developer, you'd just be lying to his face!
Victoria's text/writing is a disaster. Not her story line, and intentions - that's not what I'm saying.
Sorry, to be honest in a little bit harsh, direct way...

Ok, ty for your reply!

 

[Tarz00n]

And don't listen to the nonsense that agn25 writes (about "paid shills", lol). EraRamp is right, there are no people on the payroll here, only fans of the game. By the way, I have criticized this game many times for many things, while agn25 was happy with everything in it. And I'll say even more — once (3 years ago) I even had a falling out with DM because of my criticism at the time.

Since then, ofc, we've made up, but what I'm saying is that we're all living people with our own tastes, interests, and emotions. And if someone didn't like the last scene with kickboxing, that's still no reason to accuse others who, on the contrary, really liked that scene, of some mythical “mercenary/paid shills.”

Oh, don't worry about it. I'm too old to let something like that influence me.
And I'm far too immersed (not involved, due to lack of time... little bit in maya 15 years ago, bit of blender, and last few weeks maybe 30h DAZ...) in our kink here - the whole 3D art scene in general, sci-fi/fantasy, all that stuff for that to spoil my curiosity by a little bit of rant talking.
Besides, after a good 25 years in the gaming scene, I'm so used to this kind of forum talk that it doesn't bother me at all!
And who gets paid by whom, for whatever reason, or not at all - I don't really care.
It's not easy to sell me something, no matter how good the advertising is! I'm very bad for the system!

But I really like how you're getting involved here, giving tips and advice - that's definitely worth mentioning!
Thank you, again - how should I ever pay YOU for that !

 

[Stan5851]

The story is actually quite old; I think it's been two years since Bardie was erased from the game. Sure, he had his fans, but it's truly outrageous to insult the whole threat like this just because Bardie isn't being continued. After all, the community can't do anything about it.

To be fair, it's not such a shame about Bardie. He was just an immature, not even good-looking brat who was given too much power and actually just made the game unnecessarily difficult for us. He was the most annoying character of all, and his dialogue wasn't even well-written. The only thing I miss about the bardie content is the teacher. He was really good.

But let's face it: bad luck for Bardie. All other content is still in there. And that's more than enough.

Yeah, time flies very quickly. It has been about 4.5 years since Bardie was removed.

I agree with the rest, although I was always more interested in the college principal, Ms. Mansfield, whom we know as Claire, than in the content with the teacher. And in that sense, I have nothing to complain about, as Monica and Claire's relationship is now quite unprecedented.

 

[Stan5851]

Oh, don't worry about it. I'm too old to let something like that influence me.
And I'm far too immersed (not involved, due to lack of time... little bit in maya 15 years ago, bit of blender, and last few weeks maybe 30h DAZ...) in our kink here - the whole 3D art scene in general, sci-fi/fantasy, all that stuff for that to spoil my curiosity by a little bit of rant talking.
Besides, after a good 25 years in the gaming scene, I'm so used to this kind of forum talk that it doesn't bother me at all!
And who gets paid by whom, for whatever reason, or not at all - I don't really care.
It's not easy to sell me something, no matter how good the advertising is! I'm very bad for the system!

But I really like how you're getting involved here, giving tips and advice - that's definitely worth mentioning!
Thank you, again - how should I ever pay YOU for that !

Well, I'm definitely not the most "right fan" of this game. While many patrons of the game wanted (and paid money for) Monica to continue suffering herself, falling deeper and deeper, all these years I wanted the opposite — for her to successfully overcome the trials that had befallen her (and our Mrs. Buckfett, no matter how you look at it, has an iron will)...Yes, I was never against her going through “fire, water, and copper pipes” (as a kind of redemption) and ultimately becoming less bitchy and more tolerant of ordinary people, but what is, is...hehe.

So I'd rather accept accusations that I'm some kind of stubborn oppositionist going against the "interests of the majority" than what agn25 is trying to accuse me of..

Over the years, I have seen many posts in which people wanted the same thing as me...So I am definitely not alone on this hill.

 

[Gerwazy]

Like I said: I could live with and without Bardie (there are way bigger assholes, psychos and other shitheads in the game! xD) - but the content in the Buckfett/Roberts Mansion is a big loss! - could have been in game easily without Bardie...

Almost all of the content is preserved (I don't remember the story with the panty swap). Betty is corrupted by Fred and others.
As you probably remember, Monica decides to seduce Ralph in the first scene of episode 2.
She just needs the right motivation. Bardie's absence is noticeable here. Fred could help Monica with this, but at first he has a whim to improve her relationship with Julia, so she has to cope on her own.

"... character as a psychopath or sociopath – but there isn't a single mentally normal, healthy person in the entire game - Mr. Roberts seems to be pretty normal (Ep. 3, beginning, as I said)

In my opinion, Mr Roberts is the biggest psychopath in this game. Take a good look at the books he reads. Monica was lucky she didn't meet him at night in the slums

 

[exazubi]

Yeah, time flies very quickly. It has been about 4.5 years since Bardie was removed.

I agree with the rest, although I was always more interested in the college principal, Ms. Mansfield, whom we know as Claire, than in the content with the teacher. And in that sense, I have nothing to complain about, as Monica and Claire's relationship is now quite unprecedented.

That long? Wow. I'm getting old

 

[PickerLewd]

Is the city map in the game based on a real city? I mean the layout of the buildings, trees, and so on.

I remember reading that the Bright Past game map resembles Moscow.

 

[agn25]

I was being overly hyperbolic in saying people were being paid. I know those I was talking about are not paid. I apologise for saying it. What they are doing though is shilling this game in this forum. The non answers to TarzOOn's question was an example.

I'm not any great fan of the Bardie content on its own. It's just that the home storyline during ep2 falls completely apart with out Bardie's presence. He is the provocateur of that storyline and it loses it's point in existing without his contribution.

DM had no other choice but to remove the content to avoid bans, he made the right choice but lets call a spade a spade and not pretend what is left is an improvement.

Now I know my post was harsh and just wrong in saying they are paid. Again I know that's not true.What has frustrated me is that one poster in particular has joined inline with some previous shills on this board.

Back in the day we had Ragnaroekr who ended up getting banned from this thread because of his over aggressive posting to people who shared the game on this site. He wasn't such a bad bloke when he was calm though. After him we had Londo Mollari who was actually a fun and entertaining poster. He would however much more subtly pressure people to not share the game publicly. Both those guys worked on the German translation of the game and were connected with DM and his team. Ragnaroekr ban was eventually lifted and he like Mondo Mollari frequently would post here up until they moved on from working on the translations. The next is EraRamp who organises the translations in some way and still posts here. I don't have any issue with how Era posts but he does shill for this game.

Stan's shilling has become very obvious over the last couple of updates to where in one instance he went off at a poster who just gave a short negative review of the update. Anyway again no one is paid I know that, I apologise for having said it.

 

[Stan5851]

I was being overly hyperbolic in saying people were being paid. I know those I was talking about are not paid. I apologise for saying it. What they are doing though is shilling this game in this forum. The non answers to TarzOOn's question was an example.

I'm not any great fan of the Bardie content on its own. It's just that the home storyline during ep2 falls completely apart with out Bardie's presence. He is the provocateur of that storyline and it loses it's point in existing without his contribution.

DM had no other choice but to remove the content to avoid bans, he made the right choice but lets call a spade a spade and not pretend what is left is an improvement.

Now I know my post was harsh and just wrong in saying they are paid. Again I know that's not true.What has frustrated me is that one poster in particular has joined inline with some previous shills on this board.

Back in the day we had Ragnaroekr who ended up getting banned from this thread because of his over aggressive posting to people who shared the game on this site. He wasn't such a bad bloke when he was calm though. After him we had Londo Mollari who was actually a fun and entertaining poster. He would however much more subtly pressure people to not share the game publicly. Both those guys worked on the German translation of the game and were connected with DM and his team. Ragnaroekr ban was eventually lifted and he like Mondo Mollari frequently would post here up until they moved on from working on the translations. The next is EraRamp who organises the translations in some way and still posts here. I don't have any issue with how Era posts but he does shill for this game.

Stan's shilling has become very obvious over the last couple of updates to where in one instance he went off at a poster who just gave a short negative review of the update. Anyway again no one is paid I know that, I apologise for having said it.

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[Stan5851]

Is the city map in the game based on a real city? I mean the layout of the buildings, trees, and so on.

I remember reading that the Bright Past game map resembles Moscow.

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[Ostego]

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it looks more like SimCity or Cities Skylines screenshot (FB map)

 

[Tarz00n]

Well, I'm definitely not the most "right fan" of this game. While many patrons of the game wanted (and paid money for) Monica to continue suffering herself, falling deeper and deeper, all these years I wanted the opposite — for her to successfully overcome the trials that had befallen her (and our Mrs. Buckfett, no matter how you look at it, has an iron will)...Yes, I was never against her going through “fire, water, and copper pipes” (as a kind of redemption) and ultimately becoming less bitchy and more tolerant of ordinary people, but what is, is...hehe.

So I'd rather accept accusations that I'm some kind of stubborn oppositionist going against the "interests of the majority" than what agn25 is trying to accuse me of..

Over the years, I have seen many posts in which people wanted the same thing as me...So I am definitely not alone on this hill.

No, your are definitely not alone on top of this hill!
But I will have more to say if I proceed in the game, maybe everything I'm missing now, will be solved or served later on...

Disclaimer: I'm just at the beginning of Episode 3, so everything I write refers to what I've played so far, even if it sometimes sounds like I'm talking about the whole game!
Hmm, maybe I should use the spoiler brackets...

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Ok, thank you again, I'm just saying that all the time because I'm pretty present the last few days ... this game has a lot to talk about, and you are answering constantly!
Oh, and no hurry, or need to answer or react all of that, of course... But since you'll probably answer anyway, given how active you are here: no rush, I'm in no hurry, take your time, there (are) will be more questions anyway, and I'm pretty sure I'm still be here in a year...

Ok, gg's!

 

[Purpleraisin]

why doesnt the episode 2 have an autosave system or the auto/skip function at the bottom of the screen? it was in episode 1 T_T and it could rollback as well if needed to.

 

[Purpleraisin]

also is it possible to gain 10 corruption before meeting dick the lawyer for first time in episode 2? other than using the cheat menu ofc

 

[Stan5851]

why doesnt the episode 2 have an autosave system or the auto/skip function at the bottom of the screen? it was in episode 1 T_T and it could rollback as well if needed to.

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