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Mostly because it would make the game a copy of basically every other female-protagonist game on this site? I'm honestly sick of this flood of games with zero-agency girls who are also dumb as a fleshlight. I understand that apparently many people have a fetish for that shit, but for god sake the genre needs some variety at the very least.
I was arguing against the 'realism' aspect that people are propping up as a defense for dumb mechanical restrictions the dev decided on. That was simply an example to show how with the written scenario, there really shouldn't be limits on the PC's early life section.
I agree with you to a point. It is pretty flooded with bimbo games and I'd also appreciate there being more variety in characters, but that still doesn't mean that it's 'unrealistic' or even that it shouldn't be included. At the end of the day, Crush is somewhat beholden to the patrons' wishes, so who knows how it'll progress from hereon.
 
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Dysphorika

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I don't get why so arguing about realism where almost or 100% of games here has no such thing...
 

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I don't get why so arguing about realism where almost or 100% of games here has no such thing...
well, realism is definitely appreciated to be able to cement your suspension of disbelief and immersion in the narrative. If not realism then at least consistency within the setting. In a game that's meant to be set in the "real" world like this one, it's even more important methinks.
 

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Mostly because it would make the game a copy of basically every other female-protagonist game on this site? I'm honestly sick of this flood of games with zero-agency girls who are also dumb as a fleshlight. I understand that apparently many people have a fetish for that shit, but for god sake the genre needs some variety at the very least.
While I totally agree with you, my biggest fear for this game (apart from being abandoned or stuck in development forever obviously) is that this might just happen in this game as well and the whole spy part will be nothing more than an elaborate backstory.

Btw. I recently discovered Naughty Lyanna and it quickly became one of my favourite female protagonist games. I can wholeheartedly recommend this to anybody being interested in an independent and strong female MC. It even has some sort of a spy approach about uncovering a criminal organisation, although the game in general is very lighthearted. It focuses on exhibitionism and lesbianism, but even if those aren't your favourite kinks, the game is definitely worth a try.
 
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Well, don't know what exactly I did to get this result. After the friends BJ scenes, I was apparently accepted on some UN mission to Africa. After my time was up there, I just progressed to the "End of Content" page.

That was sure fun and exciting. ;)
 

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well, realism is definitely appreciated to be able to cement your suspension of disbelief and immersion in the narrative. If not realism then at least consistency within the setting. In a game that's meant to be set in the "real" world like this one, it's even more important methinks.
Maybe realism is not the word, maybe we (I include myself) are looking more for coherency/consistency.
 
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raska42

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Why bother with the hypno content?
That was added so there wouldn't be any argument about it they could have a thread (i.e. advertising) on the Hypnotics Collective. Likely why even after 3 years there's no integration and it still feels like it's just inserted in (I think everyone over there came to the conclusion it would be removed just before the game's finished. Jokes on them, it'll never be finished). Ironically, the corruption elements that it initially looked like it would have would have been enough of a mental shift to get them a thread, but the dev's have pretty much destroyed the possibility of doing anything with that by going overboard with character creation. I think the max number of people she sleeps with before training is in the 50-100 range, but the min is what, 10-20? Kinda hard to corrupt that. May be wrong, but I don't think you can make anything resembling a prude (although to be fair, I don't think I ever actually tried to make a Neo-Puritan character).
 

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A few comments on the margin of the last release.

There were two small fragments, that I would call the best. In elite class section, when our female protagonist with her school friend are starting their party in the city, they meet two ugly old bisnessmen,who try to seduce them for one night stand. And that’s all, nothing more, no continuation. Second best fragment in my opinion, in middle class section, the Himba tribe dance ritual, when our protagonist is persuaded by Himba women to dance toplees in front of the whole tribe and her colleagues, afterwards being touched and admired for her beautiful breasts by tribal women. And that’s all, another unused opportunity. Two best parts of the story ending sharply without continuation although it asks, almost begs, for something more.

In the first case, two old bisnessmen could try more and more, offering money, offering luxurious perspectives, traveling, modeling, something like that, to two, according to their opinion, young and naive teenagegirls, and girls knowing that it is just nonsense in old men mouths, but they take the game, just for fun, hoping they have everything under control but the fun spins out of control.

I second case, I would aprreciate something like that, tribes women after touching boobs of our female protagonist start to question her, why is she single, is it normal, that she is single, when she could already have a husband and many children, and so on. Eventually, they begin to suggest that they will wed her. Our female MC thinks, that this is only a joke and agrees with big smile on her face, but appears on the next days , that it’s not a joke, that preparation for wedding are starting. She doesn’t care, agrees futher just for fun and from some kind of an ethnographic point of view, really interested in life and ceremony customs of Himba people, knowing that she can stop that nonsense at any time. But once again, the situation is getting out of hand, work colleagues are on the long trip, now she is alone, she in panic, will she really has to marry one of Himba tribesman, and what’s more to consummate a marriage?
How many possibilities, she ultimately flees to Europe knowing that she leaves behind a husband in remote part of Namibia. I know nothing about Himba’s people wedding customs, but some anthropological reality, even with slight modifications, would only spice this whole story.
One may say, I fantasize too much, but I only try to suggest that such lewd, kinky, lively written situations with multiple choices are the essence of a realistic, emotionally addictive story.
I would wish something like that, but that’s not happened, best parts with full potential are sharply ended.
Why is that?
And instead of, we get a pile of standard sex descriptions – she grabs his cock, she starts fondling it, puts it in her mouth, straddles him and finally fucks him, and once again, grab his cock, fondle it, put in mouth, and again, grab his cock etc. .. How many times, sex is boring, I mind, sex descpitions are boring , total boredom.

Plus those dice roll, how many sexual partners our heroine had between successive episodes of the story. Dice rolls show - 5, 8 maybe even 14, random numbers and waiste of time, without any history behind this numbers this concept is anti-emotional and better completely throw away (as mentioned above, in that way we got sum of hundreds men she slept with - absurd).

I put out once again, how many times already, this game needs more good writing and more story writers.
I have doubts if Crush can handle this writing task in all the necessary extent all alone.
At the same time I hope, that she will improve her writing skills, methodology and creative imaginery.
 
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Honestly, the only game that had a decent dynamic sex system is Lilith's Throne, but that project is also bereft with its own problems. The thing that bugs me the most with these ambitious projects is how laden they are with tags, yet fail to deliver on most of them. For example, can you really say this game has anal when it's literally just a variable on the old builds that does nothing? The ultimate goal may be prostitution, yet it still hasn't really reached that point in years either.

In the end, it just feels like false advertisement.
 
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That was added so there wouldn't be any argument about it they could have a thread (i.e. advertising) on the Hypnotics Collective. Likely why even after 3 years there's no integration and it still feels like it's just inserted in (I think everyone over there came to the conclusion it would be removed just before the game's finished. Jokes on them, it'll never be finished). Ironically, the corruption elements that it initially looked like it would have would have been enough of a mental shift to get them a thread, but the dev's have pretty much destroyed the possibility of doing anything with that by going overboard with character creation. I think the max number of people she sleeps with before training is in the 50-100 range, but the min is what, 10-20? Kinda hard to corrupt that. May be wrong, but I don't think you can make anything resembling a prude (although to be fair, I don't think I ever actually tried to make a Neo-Puritan character).
The same way is on tfgamesite without actually transformations? (at least for now)
 

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Sending in a virgin for the mission is absurd, but I get some players might not want a sex master as protagonist. I think part of the charm of this setting is that the protagonist would be just a normal individual with average amount of experience to sex.
 
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Marlin Brandy

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Sending in a virgin for the mission is absurd, but I get some players might not want a sex master as protagonist. I think part of the charm of this setting is that the protagonist would be just a normal individual with average amount of experience to sex.
I don't see how it's absurd. As stated above:
why shouldn't you be able to undercover as a virgin in a brothel? If anything, that could play into a higher starting value/price for "buying" the PC to work in Bangkok, giving you more income to work with in the beginning at a detriment to your sexual skill, and maybe even a special scene with the Brothel's owner/kingpin.
Also, if the PC were to refuse the agency could simply hypno her. There's also the fact that the agency wouldn't give two thoughts about their agent's virginity when a job's a job.
 

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I don't see how it's absurd. As stated above:

Also, if the PC were to refuse the agency could simply hypno her. There's also the fact that the agency wouldn't give two thoughts about their agent's virginity when a job's a job.
I recommend you watch this video from 2:34 onwards
 

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I don't see how it's absurd.
Because this game's background setting offers a hint of realism. Sending an agent with ZERO sexual experience to work as a prostitute contradicts that hint of realism.

But sure, it can be your kink, there is nothing wrong with that. All I'm saying is that feel out of sync with everything this game is trying to do.
 

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Because this game's background setting offers a hint of realism. Sending an agent with ZERO sexual experience to work as a prostitute contradicts that hint of realism.

But sure, it can be your kink, there is nothing wrong with that. All I'm saying is that feel out of sync with everything this game is trying to do.
Its not zero sexual experience people are questioning, its an 18 yo female with 48 sexual partners before shes reached university. If you remember the initial versions of the game, you would remember that she is offered hypnosis to help get her from innocent and unsure to capable of accepting the role. The way the new content is rolling out, you may as well just change the name and premise of the game because there isn't a single hint at a special agent anywhere that story, just a porn actress on rails where you can't even play the game unless you accept the designers preordained statistics when you make a character. Its not even remotely close to the original premise.
 

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Its not zero sexual experience people are questioning, its an 18 yo female with 48 sexual partners before shes reached university.
It is definitely not impossible IRL even if unlikely. I definitely knew girls who basically slept their way through high school.

If you remember the initial versions of the game, you would remember that she is offered hypnosis to help get her from innocent and unsure to capable of accepting the role.
Hypnosis in the original version had nothing to do with combatting agent' supposed innocence or reluctance but was offered to her as a possible option to deal with the amount of stress her job would incur. Agent in the game was always presented as a volunteer with the full understanding of the future mission and not some sort of coerced sacrificial cow.
 
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0ne

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It is definitely not impossible IRL even if unlikely. I definitely knew girls who basically slept their way through high school.


Hypnosis in the original version had nothing to do with combatting agent' supposed innocence or reluctance but was offered to her as a possible option to deal with the amount of stress her job would incur. Agent in the game was always presented as a volunteer with the full understanding of the future mission and not some sort of coerced sacrificial cow.
No. An operative working for a world leading intelligence agency isn't going to be a unpaid prostitute who just happens to be intelligent, dedicated to her career and capable of accepting a job as an undercover agent within a terrorist organisation front. It isn't even vaguely believable. The hypnosis is forced coercion which was leading into the agent being passed around the office like a hot potato and we had only seen two scenes.
 

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No. An operative working for a world leading intelligence agency isn't going to be a unpaid prostitute who just happens to be intelligent, dedicated to her career and capable of accepting a job as an undercover agent within a terrorist organisation front. It isn't even vaguely believable.
It is about as believable as James Bond. And of course agents are definitely paid for their job and she would be paid by her employers in Bangkok too because prostitutes do not actually work for free.

The hypnosis is forced coercion which was leading into the agent being passed around the office like a hot potato and we had only seen two scenes.
To quote the game itself:
"Exactly what would the effects be?"

"Reduction of your subconscious negative associations with sex work," he says. "The hope is that you'll find the prospect of sex with strangers more tolerable, even enjoyable. That will obviously help you in the field."

"You're going to turn me into a nymphomaniac?"

"We call that hypersexual disorder now, and no. This will be a subtle change only."
Personally, I skipped this entire branch entirely because it feels unneeded at tackled on.
 

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Anyone else having the looping events bug? For example at the ending of bj scene game returns to beginning of that scene before advancing.
 

Davkin

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Its not zero sexual experience people are questioning, its an 18 yo female with 48 sexual partners before shes reached university. If you remember the initial versions of the game, you would remember that she is offered hypnosis to help get her from innocent and unsure to capable of accepting the role. The way the new content is rolling out, you may as well just change the name and premise of the game because there isn't a single hint at a special agent anywhere that story, just a porn actress on rails where you can't even play the game unless you accept the designers preordained statistics when you make a character. Its not even remotely close to the original premise.
Honestly, an 18 year old female with 48 sexual partners before reaching university is more believable than sending in a virgin to work undercover as a prostitute.

But anyway, my reply was directed at the comment saying sending in a virgin is "not absurd".
 
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