Idontknowme

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It's time to put this thing to bed once and for all, so I took the pain to actually look at the body count that the MC can accumulate upto the age of 19. Cold, hard numbers for you all. Here goes:

Posh @ 18: (Easy)3d6/(Neutral)2d4/(Picky)1d4
Posh @ Surval: (Easy)2d8/(Neutral)1d6/(Picky)1d4

Middleclass @ 18: (Easy)3d6/(Neutral)2d4/(Picky)1d4
Middleclass @ UN mission: -/-/- (I didn't find any in the game or code. Correct me if I am wrong)

Working class @ 18: (Easy)3d6/(Neutral)2d4/(Picky)1d4
Working class @ holiday Destination: (Easy)6d4/(Neutral)3d4/(Picky)1d4

So, the theoretical maximum partners you can have till 19 are 42 on the working class/easy route and the theoretical minimum is 1 on middle class/picky.

The only other person the game makes clear MC has had sex with is her bf @ 18. So, that brings the minimum count to 2. If the previous versions are anything to go by there will probably be 2 more rolls of dice (at the university and one while on the job), that will bring the theoretical minimum upto 4. As far as working at a brothel is concerned 4 is as good as a virgin. For all those complaining that the MC is a bit of a slag, you CHOSE to make her that way. Select an MC that is picky and you get at most 2 additional partners across the routes.

Another thing to note would be that the dev is bound by legal constraints. The MC can only start having sex at 18. We know that people don't start having sex at 18. So, assume the first number to be staggered over a longer duration?
 

axz2

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It's absolutely baffling how this game actually has less content now than a year ago.
Not quite baffleing its recently been rebuilt. If it continues to have less content for a number of months though that would be a bad sign.
 
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It's absolutely baffling how this game actually has less content now than a year ago.
Well, at the speed that they are now able to produce content they should be where they used to be in half a year, maybe? College by february, the agent path in three or four updates, perhaps?
For what it's worth, January update (planned 31st) is facial expressions for the avatar and some fancy character sheet.
 

Spawk

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For what it's worth, January update (planned 31st) is facial expressions for the avatar and some fancy character sheet.
in 10 years, the creators will reach the level of the sims in terms of character generation. It is a pity that this character cannot be played because this will require content. Then they will remake the character generation.
 

Marlin Brandy

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I recommend you watch this video from 2:34 onwards
watched the video, very interesting, but I don't see what this is supposed to say in regards to being absurd or the solution to circumvent it I posted. Thanks for the link though.
Honestly, an 18 year old female with 48 sexual partners before reaching university is more believable than sending in a virgin to work undercover as a prostitute.

But anyway, my reply was directed at the comment saying sending in a virgin is "not absurd".
maybe it's because I live in a rather conservative country outside of the west, but 48 sexual partners by the time you're in Uni? Not counting the first, your boyfriend, and judging the fact that the game explicitly states that almost all sexual events take place after the character(s) are 18, you'd need a new person almost every week to hit those numbers. That sounds pretty unbelievable. Now if the timeline was to be 48 from 18 to whenever you start your spy activities, maybe?

also, assuming the hypnosis stays in the game and continues to be
"Reduction of your subconscious negative associations with sex work," he says. "The hope is that you'll find the prospect of sex with strangers more tolerable, even enjoyable. That will obviously help you in the field."
I don't see how that doesn't also help a virgin recruited into an intelligence agency (IA) get over her prudish nature.

Maybe I'm being dense, but I really don't see how a virgin being sent undercover into a brothel isn't a realistic solution or even viable. Again, I will provide some possible benefits to sending a virgin into the mission:
- Higher initial value to the brothel, could allow for an easier start in game, and even more valued by brothel kingpin/staff. Prostitution doesn't have to mean instant vaginal sex, and as such there could even be more corruption paths thought out to slowly 'ease' the MC into more depraved acts. Or just have the kingpin take the virginity himself
- A nice coverup story to disassociate with the IA. Maybe with a cover story of some girl picked up off the streets/raided/kidnapped. Young, innocent, naive and inexperienced would further mislead the brothel of any possible suspicion methinks.
- Something to balance the richer start in the first point could be the steeper starting curve due to low sexual experience, requiring the MC to 'grind' more in order to become a SSS class prostitute.

Of course, this is all assuming that the MC actually does keep her virginity past her first unavoidable sexual partner (boyfriend). If Crush decides to rule that her virginity is lost after that first experience, and everything else is additional, then sending in an agent with only 1 sexual partner is not unrealistic in my view. Now, discussion in this topic is getting quite long and exhausting, so maybe the best action would be to agree to disagree and rag on other details now. Thanks to everyone that discussed with me.
 

Marlin Brandy

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For what it's worth, January update (planned 31st) is facial expressions for the avatar and some fancy character sheet.
now, I remember that this rework was meant to allow for faster, bigger, better updates. Lets see how that goes, but starting off with just a cosmetic tweak as an update certainly doesn't allow for much to expect.
 

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watched the video, very interesting, but I don't see what this is supposed to say in regards to being absurd or the solution to circumvent it I posted. Thanks for the link though.
The point that the lady was trying to make is that they always chose cover stories that the spies felt comfortable talking about. A 26 year old 'virgin' is obviously not going to be 'comfortable' in the hyper-sexualized environment that is a brothel and that will get in the way of successfully discharging her duties.

I see you keep droning on and on and on about this mythical number '48' but that number is nowhere to be seen in the game. Either you are playing 1.6 or you have set the MC to 'Easy' and keep posting about wanting to send in a virgin to a brothel. The 'Easy' is not the game difficulty setting. You may want to take this into consideration:


What you want to do is make the MC 'picky'. You will have at most 2 partners (if the odds are in your favour) besides your bf. I already posted a breakdown about the possible scenarios.

You can't keep complaining that the game gives you '48' sex partners if YOU CHOSE to make your MC a slut. That's what sluts do. They sleep around.

Despite that you must have had some crummy RNG luck to have scored the maximum on ALL your dice rolls to get to 42.

It's time to put this thing to bed once and for all, so I took the pain to actually look at the body count that the MC can accumulate upto the age of 19. Cold, hard numbers for you all. Here goes:

Posh @ 18: (Easy)3d6/(Neutral)2d4/(Picky)1d4
Posh @ Surval: (Easy)2d8/(Neutral)1d6/(Picky)1d4

Middleclass @ 18: (Easy)3d6/(Neutral)2d4/(Picky)1d4
Middleclass @ UN mission: -/-/- (I didn't find any in the game or code. Correct me if I am wrong)

Working class @ 18: (Easy)3d6/(Neutral)2d4/(Picky)1d4
Working class @ holiday Destination: (Easy)6d4/(Neutral)3d4/(Picky)1d4

So, the theoretical maximum partners you can have till 19 are 42 on the working class/easy route and the theoretical minimum is 1 on middle class/picky.

The only other person the game makes clear MC has had sex with is her bf @ 18. So, that brings the minimum count to 2. If the previous versions are anything to go by there will probably be 2 more rolls of dice (at the university and one while on the job), that will bring the theoretical minimum upto 4. As far as working at a brothel is concerned 4 is as good as a virgin. For all those complaining that the MC is a bit of a slag, you CHOSE to make her that way. Select an MC that is picky and you get at most 2 additional partners across the routes.

Another thing to note would be that the dev is bound by legal constraints. The MC can only start having sex at 18. We know that people don't start having sex at 18. So, assume the first number to be staggered over a longer duration?
- Higher initial value to the brothel, could allow for an easier start in game, and even more valued by brothel kingpin/staff. Prostitution doesn't have to mean instant vaginal sex, and as such there could even be more corruption paths thought out to slowly 'ease' the MC into more depraved acts. Or just have the kingpin take the virginity himself
- A nice coverup story to disassociate with the IA. Maybe with a cover story of some girl picked up off the streets/raided/kidnapped. Young, innocent, naive and inexperienced would further mislead the brothel of any possible suspicion methinks.
- Something to balance the richer start in the first point could be the steeper starting curve due to low sexual experience, requiring the MC to 'grind' more in order to become a SSS class prostitute.
- A 26 year old foreigner who chooses to stay back as a prostitute rather than return to her life? What could be a possible explanation for that? If she was held against her will all she would have to do is get to the British embassy. Why somebody would stay back against their will is beyond me.
- Why would she travel to Bangkok to sell her body when she can be an escort in her own country?
-Picked off the streets of where and transported to Bangkok? It comes back to the same thing what possible motivation could the MC have besides not finding sex as a transactional bodily function, to stay back in the brothel.
-The whole point is NOT to make a grindy game IIRC.
-I think you are setting too much store by an arbitrary marker that has no biological basis. Virginity as a biological concept is meaningless. What is not meaningless is the emotional and psychological impacts that such a social marker for sexual activity has on human beings. But it is a given that somebody who has not done 'it' will not be comfortable doing 'it' with tons of slimy, greasy and creepy men.

I recommend you set your agent to 'Picky' in all your playthroughs and quit trying to convince others that 'a virgin in a brothel' is anything other than a joke setup.
 
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now, I remember that this rework was meant to allow for faster, bigger, better updates. Lets see how that goes, but starting off with just a cosmetic tweak as an update certainly doesn't allow for much to expect.
Well, to be fair, it was somewhere close to 4 months of pure content without any rework/purely cosmetic stuff. I think that's a new record
 
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sonotink

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The point that the lady was trying to make is that they always chose cover stories that the spies felt comfortable talking about. A 26 year old 'virgin' is obviously not going to be 'comfortable' in the hyper-sexualized environment that is a brothel and that will get in the way of successfully discharging her duties.

I see you keep droning on and on and on about this mythical number '48' but that number is nowhere to be seen in the game. Either you are playing 1.6 or you have set the MC to 'Easy' and keep posting about wanting to send in a virgin to a brothel. The 'Easy' is not the game difficulty setting. You may want to take this into consideration:


What you want to do is make the MC 'picky'. You will have at most 2 partners (if the odds are in your favour) besides your bf. I already posted a breakdown about the possible scenarios.

You can't keep complaining that the game gives you '48' sex partners if YOU CHOSE to make your MC a slut. That's what sluts do. They sleep around.

Despite that you must have had some crummy RNG luck to have scored the maximum on ALL your dice rolls to get to 42.




- A 26 year old foreigner who chooses to stay back as a prostitute rather than return to her life? What could be a possible explanation for that? If she was held against her will all she would have to do is get to the British embassy. Why somebody would stay back against their will is beyond me.
- Why would she travel to Bangkok to sell her body when she can be an escort in her own country?
-Picked off the streets of where and transported to Bangkok? It comes back to the same thing what possible motivation could the MC have besides not finding sex as a transactional bodily function, to stay back in the brothel.
-The whole point is NOT to make a grindy game IIRC.
-I think you are setting too much store by an arbitrary marker that has no biological basis. Virginity as a biological concept is meaningless. What is not meaningless is the emotional and psychological impacts that such a social marker for sexual activity has on human beings. But it is a given that somebody who has not done 'it' will not be comfortable doing 'it' with tons of slimy, greasy and creepy men.

I recommend you set your agent to 'Picky' in all your playthroughs and quit trying to convince others that 'a virgin in a brothel' is anything other than a joke setup.
Why would any kind of government even send anyone to work at a brothel, when it'd be so much easier to just kidnap the target, or snipe him? I will admit, yes, a lot of governments are fucked up, and shit, but, no one willingly works at a brothel unless they need the money, as that's very traumatizing, in fact, it's more convincing that there's a virgin in a brothel, then it is convincing that anyone would send a high value government agent to work as at a brothel, and get super traumatized.
""So, the government sends a high value, irreplaceable agent to work at a brothel"" sounds like an actual joke set up, a lot of virgins go to brothels, either willingly because they need money, or they are forced to do so.

Also, the game is already extremely grindy, you HAVE to fuck multiple men, just to get to the target, like, what if the player is a roleplaying as a lesbian, or is a lesbian, and doesn't want to see straight sex, and doesn't know they are pretty much r/ped due to the fact they either lose everything due to being forced to work in a brothel, and/or just fucking leaving because the government is apparently run by clowns.

You could of made a really, really interesting story, but, the story is full of plot-holes.
I get that it's unfinished, it's just, it could of been so much more interesting, what about you deciding to do it on your own terms, working as a super secret agent who uses a synthetic robot body that they pilot for the mission, that way also they don't have their reputation ruined, and won't have to deal with the extreme trauma.
It's an interesting game, I just personally think the story could be better.

[Also a virgin in a brothel could also be there to lose their virginity.]
 
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cd13

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Why would any kind of government even send anyone to work at a brothel, when it'd be so much easier to just kidnap the target, or snipe him?
As I was saying previously: the game premise is about as realistic as James Bond which is entirely OK.
But premise being unrealistic doesn't mean that it must be every kind of unrealistic. There is legion of games about corruption of virgins, basically every single female protagonist game on this site go with that premise. It is fucking old.

Also, the game is already extremely grindy, you HAVE to fuck multiple men, just to get to the target, like, what if the player is a roleplaying as a lesbian, or is a lesbian, and doesn't want to see straight sex, and doesn't know they are pretty much r/ped due to the fact they either lose everything due to being forced to work in a brothel, and/or just fucking leaving because the government is apparently run by clowns.
Firstly, a character in this game cannot be a lesbian. It is simply not a starting option.
Secondly, a character in this game ostensibly can refuse from going on a mission and nothing bad will happen to them as the result. Agency will not fire her or anything. They will just find another volunteer.
 

sonotink

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As I was saying previously: the game premise is about as realistic as James Bond which is entirely OK.
But premise being unrealistic doesn't mean that it must be every kind of unrealistic. There is legion of games about corruption of virgins, basically every single female protagonist game on this site go with that premise. It is fucking old.


Firstly, a character in this game cannot be a lesbian. It is simply not a starting option.
Secondly, a character in this game ostensibly can refuse from going on a mission and nothing bad will happen to them as the result. Agency will not fire her or anything. They will just find another volunteer.
Yeah, but I mean, this game still has corruption of the player character, which does get really boring when every single adult game seems to do that, also, it doesn't have to be realistic, there just has to be a good reason for it, the games plot feels lazy, it would make way more sense if you were black-mailed into doing it, not asked to do it by your employers. no woman in their right mind would accept to do that, and they likely need to be in a great mental state to do that mission already, so that means, that yeah, you likely wouldn't have anyone going on the mission, because no one would willingly traumatize themselves, if it was an option for them.
 
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cd13

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Currently, I do not see a lot of corruption elements in this game. In 1.6 version (which had some dialogue choices) every single sexual contact that PC had was happening because she wanted to have a sexual contact. And even in current 1.8+ version all sexual encounters are presented in a way that a normal sexually active woman would have them. Which is precisely a selling point of this game to me.

I'm bored with all this corruption, blackmail and so on bullshit. I seriously want a game with a female protagonist who had a fucking agency in it. It is for example why I like GGGB, it provides a story path that avoids all that stuff which is very rare for a porn game.

no woman in their right mind would accept to do that, and they likely need to be in a great mental state to do that mission already,
Dude, what are you talking about? There are plenty of women who are doing sex work out of their own free will because they want to do it and it pays their bills well enough. The only stretch here is that such kind of woman also would be a spy agency operative. But if we have a serial womanizer James Bond for decades, why not have a female nymphomaniac spy in a porn game?
 

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Dude, what are you talking about? There are plenty of women who are doing sex work out of their own free will because they want to do it and it pays their bills well enough.
Agreed except for this part. There's a difference between being a sex worker because you choose to do it (and don't have outside pressures kinda forcing you into it) and being a sex worker in (what is being hyped up as) a sleazy brothel in a country you've never been to, where you will likely not be able to choose your clients, your working hours, haggle decent pay, etc. Idk from everything I've heard of the Bangkok brothel and the mission, it doesn't sound like our agent who is supposed to be a broke backpacker down on their luck, will have a lot of choice when it comes to their brothel work. And especially for an industry like sex work, that's an important factor separating the good jobs/workplaces from the bad.

That said, until we actually get some info on the brothel from the dev I can only speculate on what the brothel will be like.

I do agree though, that it would be nice to just be able to play as a female character who likes sex without all the corruption and blackmail. It's what turns me off from a lot of the jrpg corruption games with female protagonists. Because usually saying yes to giving one decent-looking dude a blowjob eventually spirals into the PC becoming so depraved she just gives up her ass to any unwashed hobo who asks.
 
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But if we have a serial womanizer James Bond for decades, why not have a female nymphomaniac spy in a porn game?
James Bond has never worked in a brothel as a common prostitute and never will, he may be a womanizer, a murderer, but at least he has some self-respect. Only a woman who has no self-respect would agree to go through the kind of scenario presented in FA, and one who is smart, skilled and well educated enough to be recruited by an intelligence agency would no doubt have some.
 
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James Bond has never worked in a brothel as a common prostitute and never will, he may be a womanizer, a murderer, but at least he has some self-respect. Only a woman who has no self-respect would agree to go through the kind of scenario presented in FA, and one who is smart, skilled and well educated enough to be recruited by an intelligence agency would no doubt have some.
Judging by what spies were doing historically, it is outright not true. Dedicated people were doing a lot of awful shit for a great personal cost.
 
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