True. However ... Patreon's original idea was to allow the financing of independent small developments by collecting small but regular contributions. This seriously backfired just because of developers like Crushstation and others like him misusing this system. It's not really Patreon's fault IMHO, it's the fault of those fraudulent developers. And - of course - the fault of the stupid supporters financing those lame fµ¢x$...
What if I told you that people can spend their money on whatever they want?True. However ... Patreon's original idea was to allow the financing of independent small developments by collecting small but regular contributions. This seriously backfired just because of developers like Crushstation and others like him misusing this system. It's not really Patreon's fault IMHO, it's the fault of those fraudulent developers. And - of course - the fault of the stupid supporters financing those lame fµ¢x$...
Ofc they can, it's their money after all. And I really don't want to defund those games - actually I like them. But the same ppl supporting guys like Crushstation definitely shouldn't complain about long development cycles at the same time since they are causing them in the first place.
It's a fairly simplistic system, and if people would rather spend money on this, it's up to them. The only way to change it is to supply so much this that they notice their lack of money in relation to a lack of product. If they have enough product versus money, there is no problem. But yes, all the blame rests entirely on consumers here. I don't have trouble subscribing to just the people that I like. If they can't do that, then it suggests that they have worse problems that demand so much of their attention that they can't consider the costs of a Crush sub. If they can't be bothered, then there's no real problem.
It takes the right dev. Some can do it, and some can't. I also wouldn't blame that on the community, which is overdone on the Internet. The right person will persist with enough funding regardless of what someone says in comments. Adults can remember the whole sticks and stones thing.
Nobody is getting punished for shit.
I wouldn't call it a debate. People here mainly all talk past each other instead. It's more a pair of monologues instead of a dialogue.
I find it more comfortable to play games with a blue background as it strains my eyes less, but some games have a white or bright pink background and that makes it harder to read the text.
To paraphrase something I saw once, the best way to figure out if someone is worth debating is simply to ask: is there any evidence or data I can show you to change your position? Any deviation or non answer is a surefire indicator you should just walk away.
I can agree with this. Occasionally I have been amused by playing with conversations that would otherwise be omitted by this rule, and both the thread and society would probably have been better off if I had not. Still, I need amusement occasionally and sometimes I learn from it despite the best efforts of all others involved.
Well, on the flip side, how badly does Crush need to fail before supporters hold him accountable? Or has this become a cult of personality thing, where he can do no wrong? Because the only refrain I see, time and again, if you don't pay you aren't supposed to have an opinion (or some variation).
In trope terms it probably fits somewhere between "The World May Never Know" and "Your Mileage May Vary." In other words, there are people involved for which the word "truth" has no meaning and only situational value.
In a post truth world, my truth would be to invite them to disbelieve in gravity at the edge of the nearest rooftop. Then perhaps they'll understand that the closest thing we have to reality are things that are observable and repeatable (such as milestones and progress), and blind faith only gets you so far.
The way I looked at it, after a bit, is that people are desperate to support an adult game that looks like it has potential. Potential is a necessary part of the product (meeting deadlines is not). **It's a set of details that could seem counterintuitive, but which identifies us as messed up animals who somehow developed civilization. I also decided that I can help them spend some of their money (I got in the game design business too).
