HTML Female Agent [v1.20.1p] [Crushstation]

[CreativeCritic2]

The guy is an optimist. Glass is always half full. The thing is, the more F95 games you play, the less optimist you become. Welcome, bruv.

I think you get a feel for the development process and you pretty quickly get a sense of which projects are going to go anywhere. That can be heart-breaking as there are loads of games that have cool ideas but you know that they're never going to last. You also notice when things go off the rails as things tend to go off the rails in similar ways.

Female Agent is an interesting one as, based on my experience of most projects on this site, it should have been abandoned years ago. Usually, when a developer bins most of their content in order to re-work the code from scratch, you know the game is never coming back from that but Female Agent has had that happen not once but like three or four times and it is still updating. That's really unusual and can only be explained by the fact that the dev is pulling down a middle-class salary in subs.

Noticing this type of stuff doesn't make me cynical or pessimistic, it makes me appreciative when people don't fuck up. I mean, think of the Our Red String dev who has nearly finished two beautifully written and produced games whilst overcoming issues that caused substantial re-writes. That is fucking impressive. Think of the Treasure of Nadia people who have similarly produced two really-well made games.

 

[okfairenough]

That very much sounds like "F95 is killing your mojo". But it's not F95's fault. It's the fault of developers like Crushstation.

Blame it on the Patreon payment system. See, there are two main ways folks pay for games. The first one, which most of the world follows, goes like this: a developer makes a complete game, and then people pay for it. This setup gives devs a reason to make a game that actually works.

However, in the Patreon system, developers are encouraged to prolong the development process rather than completing the game. If a developer is earning $600 per month through Patreon support, why would you want to cut off that sweet income stream? So, what happens is, we end up with devs like "crush" dragging out their game development from one month to three, endlessly redoing stuff. And now, after six long years and a boatload of cash, what do we have? A game that barely functions, filled with just some text and zero real choices for players. It's a real bummer.

 

[I-No]

However, in the Patreon system, developers are encouraged to prolong the development process rather than completing the game.

True. However ... Patreon's original idea was to allow the financing of independent small developments by collecting small but regular contributions. This seriously backfired just because of developers like Crushstation and others like him misusing this system. It's not really Patreon's fault IMHO, it's the fault of those fraudulent developers. And - of course - the fault of the stupid supporters financing those lame fµ¢x$...

 

[boobthief]

True. However ... Patreon's original idea was to allow the financing of independent small developments by collecting small but regular contributions. This seriously backfired just because of developers like Crushstation and others like him misusing this system. It's not really Patreon's fault IMHO, it's the fault of those fraudulent developers. And - of course - the fault of the stupid supporters financing those lame fµ¢x$...

What if I told you that people can spend their money on whatever they want?

But you're still here posting because you care so much about this game that you want to defund it.

Weirdest, angriest, White Knight post in a while.

 

[I-No]

What if I told you that people can spend their money on whatever they want?

Ofc they can, it's their money after all. And I really don't want to defund those games - actually I like them. But the same ppl supporting guys like Crushstation definitely shouldn't complain about long development cycles at the same time since they are causing them in the first place.
Angry? No, just a little disillusioned...

 

[rbx4]

Ofc they can, it's their money after all. And I really don't want to defund those games - actually I like them. But the same ppl supporting guys like Crushstation definitely shouldn't complain about long development cycles at the same time since they are causing them in the first place.
Angry? No, just a little disillusioned...

It's a fairly simplistic system, and if people would rather spend money on this, it's up to them. The only way to change it is to supply so much this that they notice their lack of money in relation to a lack of product. If they have enough product versus money, there is no problem. But yes, all the blame rests entirely on consumers here. I don't have trouble subscribing to just the people that I like. If they can't do that, then it suggests that they have worse problems that demand so much of their attention that they can't consider the costs of a Crush sub. If they can't be bothered, then there's no real problem.

 

[robin312]

After reading like ~20 latest comments I finally understand that we will never get a proper game (not a kinetic novel) that many of us are waiting for

maximum that we will have it's a kinetic novel without branching or any stats with minor scene changes based on initial kink selection

it is devastating

 

[rbx4]

After reading like ~20 latest comments I finally understand that we will never get a proper game (not a kinetic novel) that many of us are waiting for

maximum that we will have it's a kinetic novel without branching or any stats with minor scene changes based on initial kink selection

it is devastating

It takes the right dev. Some can do it, and some can't. I also wouldn't blame that on the community, which is overdone on the Internet. The right person will persist with enough funding regardless of what someone says in comments. Adults can remember the whole sticks and stones thing.

 

[herrzimm1]

Blame it on the Patreon payment system.

Can't really blame the Patreon "system" directly. It really has more to do with the developer.

IF they are actually serious about the game they are making they will focus on it even if the Patreon system is a disappointment. They may feel that it isn't "worth the effort", but they are STILL focused on making something.

BUT, if they are just lazy in general and just "messing around" with making a game, then it doesn't matter if they make $1 or $1000 a month off of Patreon, they will STILL be just "messing around".

The problem is, Crush clearly is NOT SERIOUS about actually making something, as you can tell from the YEARS LONG history of doing pretty much nothing, then "starting over", then bragging about the avatar that does nothing, THEN about changing mechanics... Only to then turn around and basically do a "re-start" with all the above added in AND STILL not have content added "until we get it working", only to then turn around and blame everyone BUT himself over the delays.

A REAL desire to make a game from a creator will get them to actually work on the game no matter what. But if it is simply a "side project" then it will STAY one.

The ONLY thing that Patreon does is reward those who are lazy, but successful (earning a living per month) and punish those who are serious, but not successful (not making enough to justify the effort). But that has nothing to do with the system used because on the flip side, if you are "lazy but failing on Patreon" you will mostly likely STOP working on something. And if you are serious AND successful, the amount of effort to make something WORTH playing is doubled.

 

[boobthief]

The ONLY thing that Patreon does is reward those who are lazy, but successful (earning a living per month) and punish those who are serious, but not successful (not making enough to justify the effort). But that has nothing to do with the system used because on the flip side, if you are "lazy but failing on Patreon" you will mostly likely STOP working on something. And if you are serious AND successful, the amount of effort to make something WORTH playing is doubled.

Nobody is getting punished for shit.

If it's so easy - just publish your similar and superior game - we would be happy to play it, obviously, that's why we're here.

Congratulations: You made the latest angry post because you love the game but you want more so you can't figure out anything but hate for the developer.

I'm sure that attitude is going to work out just GRETA for you.

 

[rbx4]

I'm not telling you to do better. I'm telling you to pay for what you like, if paying at all.

 

[jctn9]

Hgames are a massive failspace

You will only get disappointment because the whole thing has become toxic and people continue to enable it.

What earns best is get a thing, get some traction, get a monthly, never finish.

As long as people continue to debate and suggest and on and on and on this, and when I say this I mean this hgame failed environment, will continue to disappoint, and become something to more effectively exploit and disappoint. The only fix now is fire. That's just it.

 

[rbx4]

Hgames are a massive failspace

You will only get disappointment because the whole thing has become toxic and people continue to enable it.

What earns best is get a thing, get some traction, get a monthly, never finish.

As long as people continue to debate and suggest and on and on and on this, and when I say this I mean this hgame failed environment, will continue to disappoint, and become something to more effectively exploit and disappoint. The only fix now is fire. That's just it.

I wouldn't call it a debate. People here mainly all talk past each other instead. It's more a pair of monologues instead of a dialogue.

 

[Kevin Smarts]

I wouldn't call it a debate. People here mainly all talk past each other instead. It's more a pair of monologues instead of a dialogue.

I find it more comfortable to play games with a blue background as it strains my eyes less, but some games have a white or bright pink background and that makes it harder to read the text.

 

[cheesepie700]

I wouldn't call it a debate. People here mainly all talk past each other instead. It's more a pair of monologues instead of a dialogue.

To paraphrase something I saw once, the best way to figure out if someone is worth debating is simply to ask: is there any evidence or data I can show you to change your position? Any deviation or non answer is a surefire indicator you should just walk away.

Forgot my old account access, so I need to make another 3 posts. My 2 cents: last update meh, next one seems to be coming along at warp speed (in Crush standard time). 1 thing I'll reiterate using his own logic: if this update is faster because it was fully outlined, then why aren't ALL future updates fully outlined up to at least end of main mission?

To move me to positive camp, all Crush needs to do is to complete one full outline and one more update by end of the year. There, I said it. Prove your naysayers wrong, finish Bangkok mission before Tom Cruise finishes his next Mission Impossible movie.

 

[rbx4]

To paraphrase something I saw once, the best way to figure out if someone is worth debating is simply to ask: is there any evidence or data I can show you to change your position? Any deviation or non answer is a surefire indicator you should just walk away.

I can agree with this. Occasionally I have been amused by playing with conversations that would otherwise be omitted by this rule, and both the thread and society would probably have been better off if I had not. Still, I need amusement occasionally and sometimes I learn from it despite the best efforts of all others involved.

 

[cheesepie700]

I can agree with this. Occasionally I have been amused by playing with conversations that would otherwise be omitted by this rule, and both the thread and society would probably have been better off if I had not. Still, I need amusement occasionally and sometimes I learn from it despite the best efforts of all others involved.

Well, on the flip side, how badly does Crush need to fail before supporters hold him accountable? Or has this become a cult of personality thing, where he can do no wrong? Because the only refrain I see, time and again, if you don't pay you aren't supposed to have an opinion (or some variation).

Missed deadlines? History of resets? Still no full Bangkok outline? The first review here was Jan 2018, so maybe they need to start with how long is too long for even setting milestones and targets.

 

[rbx4]

Well, on the flip side, how badly does Crush need to fail before supporters hold him accountable? Or has this become a cult of personality thing, where he can do no wrong? Because the only refrain I see, time and again, if you don't pay you aren't supposed to have an opinion (or some variation).

Missed deadlines? History of resets? Still no full Bangkok outline? The first review here was Jan 2018, so maybe they need to start with how long is too long for even setting milestones and targets.

In trope terms it probably fits somewhere between "The World May Never Know" and "Your Mileage May Vary." In other words, there are people involved for which the word "truth" has no meaning and only situational value.

 

[cheesepie700]

In trope terms it probably fits somewhere between "The World May Never Know" and "Your Mileage May Vary." In other words, there are people involved for which the word "truth" has no meaning and only situational value.

In a post truth world, my truth would be to invite them to disbelieve in gravity at the edge of the nearest rooftop. Then perhaps they'll understand that the closest thing we have to reality are things that are observable and repeatable (such as milestones and progress), and blind faith only gets you so far.

 

[rbx4]

In a post truth world, my truth would be to invite them to disbelieve in gravity at the edge of the nearest rooftop. Then perhaps they'll understand that the closest thing we have to reality are things that are observable and repeatable (such as milestones and progress), and blind faith only gets you so far.

The way I looked at it, after a bit, is that people are desperate to support an adult game that looks like it has potential. Potential is a necessary part of the product (meeting deadlines is not). **It's a set of details that could seem counterintuitive, but which identifies us as messed up animals who somehow developed civilization. I also decided that I can help them spend some of their money (I got in the game design business too).