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Has he even given any info about what he's doing next? After all the last update was when? October, November? So there should be at least some kind of news.
 

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Has he even given any info about what he's doing next? After all the last update was when? October, November? So there should be at least some kind of news.
Last progress update was 10 days ago where crush said they had had 5/14 scenes written and working in a prototype build. Also been experimenting with chatgpt but it isn't clear if that's to help crush get ideas and themes or actually writing scenes.

Nothing about the game since but that isn't rare, crush doesn't always post status updates every week
 
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DR3M3R

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I don't know what he rewrote with that. It's a fairly hot scene now from the sex standpoint, but her reaction still feels way overdone.
Yeah, that weird freak out scene felt like it was written by someone else. Whoever wrote that had completely misunderstood the assignment. MC was wayyy past worrying about a BJ at that point in time especially if you consider that scene with her college friends (which I don't think is in the game anymore? for whatever reason).
 

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This game has been in development since 2017? lol
Seeing a lot of shit-flinging everywhere
I'd feel for the developer if they weren't raking in an assload of money for this game. 6K a month is not chump change for normal people. Making more than some guys I know busting their asses in the trades and hes doing it making a fucking porno game. This can't be the only thing he does for a living, he doesn't put enough effort into it for that to be the case. Maybe Programming HTML is insanely hard or something, I really don't know. But if the thing thats taking him so long is the writing, then I wanna say thats just laziness. Japanese devs crank out billions of finished games and every western game is like Version 0.2 after 10 fucking years in development. ...???
 

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Yeah, that weird freak out scene felt like it was written by someone else. Whoever wrote that had completely misunderstood the assignment. MC was wayyy past worrying about a BJ at that point in time especially if you consider that scene with her college friends (which I don't think is in the game anymore? for whatever reason).
I can understand that scene. We're used to this page's game standard of unlocking oral sex before vaginal sex. It happens in almost all trainers, and we assume it's easier to ask for it than full on sex. But that's the thing, it's not, specially if there's no previous relationship or even attraction. Sex is pretty standard, while oral is an extra for a lot of people, that's where the stereotype about vanilla people only having missionary comes from.

Ask yourself if you'd rather stick your cock inside a woman you don't find attractive at all, or having to eat her out. It's not only having to perform the act, but also having to taste and smell her pussy, and she's unwashed, it smells of urine, you can see a piece of toilet paper stuck between the lips and she insists on grabbing your head and shoving it there before you can prepare yourself, and you can't breathe. If you fuck her you only need to touch yourself for a minute to get hard and go at it, and then you close your eyes and imagine she's someone else that you like.

The protagonist has a similar experience. She may be used to fucking Connor,, even given blowjobs to people she cares about, but then she had to not only suck a guy she doesn't know nor care for, but also act like she loves it, all while continuously thinking about getting recorded and watched by her colleagues.
It can be traumatising, a cock down your throat really drives it home that you're going to be a prostitute.
 

hligahudiaunf

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This game has been in development since 2017? lol
Seeing a lot of shit-flinging everywhere
I'd feel for the developer if they weren't raking in an assload of money for this game. 6K a month is not chump change for normal people. Making more than some guys I know busting their asses in the trades and hes doing it making a fucking porno game. This can't be the only thing he does for a living, he doesn't put enough effort into it for that to be the case. Maybe Programming HTML is insanely hard or something, I really don't know. But if the thing thats taking him so long is the writing, then I wanna say thats just laziness. Japanese devs crank out billions of finished games and every western game is like Version 0.2 after 10 fucking years in development. ...???
I agree about this game but I would not say "crank out billions of finished games" is a good point when most of these games is RPGM censored anime stuff which does not look very different from each new release
 

philyb

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This game has been in development since 2017? lol
Seeing a lot of shit-flinging everywhere
I'd feel for the developer if they weren't raking in an assload of money for this game. 6K a month is not chump change for normal people. Making more than some guys I know busting their asses in the trades and hes doing it making a fucking porno game. This can't be the only thing he does for a living, he doesn't put enough effort into it for that to be the case. Maybe Programming HTML is insanely hard or something, I really don't know. But if the thing thats taking him so long is the writing, then I wanna say thats just laziness. Japanese devs crank out billions of finished games and every western game is like Version 0.2 after 10 fucking years in development. ...???
It's not that the coding part is hard, but unlike RPGM it is less visual and more text driven which can be quite hard to write without it getting boring. RPGM games are pretty easy to code for the most part, especially since most battle systems are just copy and paste.
 

babado

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I don't know what he rewrote with that. It's a fairly hot scene now from the sex standpoint, but her reaction still feels way overdone. Lack of player agency, particularly since they 86ed the lifepath and mission training sections, is a big problem with this game.
Literally 80% of the material was just axed which still blows me away. Seriously the best part of the game imo was the lead up to the mission. I played it through several times and had a different enough experience each time to think this was going to be an awesome RPG. I've never been more wrong about a bigger scam.
 

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I can understand that scene. We're used to this page's game standard of unlocking oral sex before vaginal sex. It happens in almost all trainers, and we assume it's easier to ask for it than full on sex. But that's the thing, it's not, specially if there's no previous relationship or even attraction. Sex is pretty standard, while oral is an extra for a lot of people, that's where the stereotype about vanilla people only having missionary comes from.

The protagonist has a similar experience. She may be used to fucking Connor,, even given blowjobs to people she cares about, but then she had to not only suck a guy she doesn't know nor care for, but also act like she loves it, all while continuously thinking about getting recorded and watched by her colleagues.
It can be traumatising, a cock down your throat really drives it home that you're going to be a prostitute.
Yep. I thought it was a totally realistic, believable scene. Real people don't act like adult game characters, where every sex act is part of a straight line progression toward more depravity.

A woman could totally have drunken hookup sex with strangers on the regular, and still completely freak out if she was coerced into blowing a gross dude by her boss. Women can be totally turned on or totally turned off depending on the context of the situation they're in.

You could quibble about whether the writing conveyed this idea as well as it could have, but the concept for the scene was very good I think. I was disappointed if not surprised by the negative reaction it got.
 
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Yep. I thought it was a totally realistic, believable scene. Real people don't act like adult game characters, where every sex act is part of a straight line progression toward more depravity.

A woman could totally have drunken hookup sex with strangers on the regular, and still completely freak out if she was coerced into blowing a gross dude by her boss. Women can be totally turned on or totally turned off depending on the context of the situation they're in.

You could quibble about whether the writing conveyed this idea as well as it could have, but the concept for the scene was very good I think. I was disappointed if not surprised by the negative reaction it got.
It *is* a necessary scene. We have to see Kate realizing what she's got herself into and having a major wobble. The problem essentially was that Kate was railroaded into a course of action that didn't fit with the way many players saw her. In addition to the 'refuse point blank until threatened' route 'reluctantly persuaded' and 'bite the bullet for the good of the mission' routes were needed (also, IMO, a bad ending of some kind).
 
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Vibesy

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Yep. I thought it was a totally realistic, believable scene. Real people don't act like adult game characters, where every sex act is part of a straight line progression toward more depravity.

A woman could totally have drunken hookup sex with strangers on the regular, and still completely freak out if she was coerced into blowing a gross dude by her boss. Women can be totally turned on or totally turned off depending on the context of the situation they're in.

You could quibble about whether the writing conveyed this idea as well as it could have, but the concept for the scene was very good I think. I was disappointed if not surprised by the negative reaction it got.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but by the time of her BJ nuclear meltdown, Kate has been repeatedly raped by her manager, including during the job interview. She has been forced to give the club owner a BJ in his car while his driver watched and then been forced to fuck him in her room within earshot of the other residents. She has given a drug dealer head to score dope while he filmed her. She has flashed her tits to save $2 on tuktuk fares. She has been groped, spanked and objectified by 100s of customers in the bar..

Her reaction to having to blow the good looking & nice drinks teacher therefore might be viewed as a tad overdone. It's a bit late in the day to have a mental breakdown over this and the overwrought writing of her inner monologue doesn't help matters. There is a good reason that many readers consider this to be the worst scene in FA and a serious warning sign that Crush is losing the plot in this game.
 

vicaddict

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There is a good reason that many readers consider this to be the worst scene in FA and a serious warning sign that Crush is losing the plot in this game.
You can't lose what was never in your grasp.

Then again, Crush has achieved the impossible. The story feels rushed, yet at the same time you have the feeling that nothing happens. The fact that there is little to no input required makes it look like nothing is happening. All you do is read and click continue. Well, you pick some clothes and make up every now and then, but that is it. It is hardly a game, but more of a novel and while that in itself is not an issue, the lack of progress is.
 

Aillor Nailo

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but by the time of her BJ nuclear meltdown, Kate has been repeatedly raped by her manager, including during the job interview. She has been forced to give the club owner a BJ in his car while his driver watched and then been forced to fuck him in her room within earshot of the other residents. She has given a drug dealer head to score dope while he filmed her. She has flashed her tits to save $2 on tuktuk fares. She has been groped, spanked and objectified by 100s of customers in the bar..

Her reaction to having to blow the good looking & nice drinks teacher therefore might be viewed as a tad overdone. It's a bit late in the day to have a mental breakdown over this and the overwrought writing of her inner monologue doesn't help matters. There is a good reason that many readers consider this to be the worst scene in FA and a serious warning sign that Crush is losing the plot in this game.
It is that reason I am now reluctant abut this game. The casting rape and the sex with the owner is totally unrealistic. She's an agent with a LOT of resources, why would she allow that? They would find other avenues. She would break his dick and then blackmail HIM. Otherwise she is the worst agent in history.

In the club however, it is more difficult for her to avoid everything without breaking cover. If she is treated differently it might raise suspicions. So those parts (again without the sex with the casting guy) are more believable.

So if you would rewrite the story removing the casting rape and the manager sex, her reaction to the blowjob is totally realistic. She understands that the cameras are on and she might have to cross some boundaries if she wants success.

What she does on her own time, outside work is up to her (or you as a player). If she wants to flash the tuktuk driver or have sex with someone she meets, that is private time.

How would you start if you wanted to make a rewrite? What software? Is it even remotely doable without rewriting everything every update?
 
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It is that reason I am now reluctant abut this game. The casting rape and the sex with the owner is totally unrealistic. She's an agent with a LOT of resources, why would she allow that? They would find other avenues. She would break his dick and then blackmail HIM. Otherwise she is the worst agent in history.
Sigh. "Blackmail him" with what? "I'll report you to the HR of your criminal organization for sexual harassment"? or maybe "I'll reveal myself as an undercover agent, threaten you and totally won't expect to wind up dead in a ditch after my first shift, if not simply pulled out for having blown my cover like a retard"? Please be real. It's especially hilarious in the context of complaints about lack of realism.
 

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It is that reason I am now reluctant abut this game. The casting rape and the sex with the owner is totally unrealistic. She's an agent with a LOT of resources, why would she allow that? They would find other avenues. She would break his dick and then blackmail HIM. Otherwise she is the worst agent in history.

In the club however, it is more difficult for her to avoid everything without breaking cover. If she is treated differently it might raise suspicions. So those parts (again without the sex with the casting guy) are more believable.

So if you would rewrite the story removing the casting rape and the manager sex, her reaction to the blowjob is totally realistic. She understands that the cameras are on and she might have to cross some boundaries if she wants success.

What she does on her own time, outside work is up to her (or you as a player). If she wants to flash the tuktuk driver or have sex with someone she meets, that is private time.

How would you start if you wanted to make a rewrite? What software? Is it even remotely doable without rewriting everything every update?
I can't speak to which software to use, but as far as writing goes, it entirely depends what you want to achieve as the creator.

Crush says he wants it to be an RPG, and if that's really what he wants then yes, absolutely everything except the introductory scene where she accepts the mission needs to be rewritten from the ground up to incorporate the RPG mechanics he's introduced and then never once used. If this was (or ever would become) an RPG, then there would have been multiple consequential choices by now instead of the zero consequential choices that are currently present, so every one of those choices and their consequences have to be written in a way that allows for future development.

However, we're now in year six of this game and it's obvious that it's never going to be anything but a kinetic novel with a few cosmetic choices that impact nothing, so if that's what you want then it still has to be redone to remove all references to RPG mechanics and provide Kate with a single consistent personality and approach. This would not require as big a rewrite as making it an RPG, but it would call for streamlining.

But why should he do any of that when he's making a comfortable living doing what he's doing now?
 

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Sigh. "Blackmail him" with what? "I'll report you to the HR of your criminal organization for sexual harassment"? or maybe "I'll reveal myself as an undercover agent, threaten you and totally won't expect to wind up dead in a ditch after my first shift, if not simply pulled out for having blown my cover like a retard"? Please be real. It's especially hilarious in the context of complaints about lack of realism.
How about, "You're going to serve me DEVILFISH on a platter or a squad of SAC/SOG guys will disappear you and you'll spend the last few years of your life slowly being peeled like an orange at a CIA black site?" Kriangsak works for a criminal organization, and criminial organizations want to make lots of money, not deal with the paramilitary capabilites of the Five Eyes nations.

The fact is that the game is unrealistic -- no intelligence agency in the history of the world would authorize this crackbrained scheme. Realistic would be if Kate was a real backpacker recruited to go into the club by one of the agencies. But given that we're all swallowing that absurdity, other complaints about realism seem a little ridiculous.
 
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Aillor Nailo

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Sigh. "Blackmail him" with what? "I'll report you to the HR of your criminal organization for sexual harassment"? or maybe "I'll reveal myself as an undercover agent, threaten you and totally won't expect to wind up dead in a ditch after my first shift, if not simply pulled out for having blown my cover like a retard"? Please be real. It's especially hilarious in the context of complaints about lack of realism.
If you want to place an agent into a club, you do a little bit of research first don't you? You don't just go to a casting without any information. You collect intel and when you find anything usable you try to use that. Probably should have been done by the others or by the team as soon as they were assembled. They did the break-in mission so other missions could have preceded it. So Kate shouldn't even have been to the "casting" so anything that happened there should never have happened.

That is MY view and MY view is that I would have had the story better written from that context. That is why I asked how I could possibly alter the current version making my own version. My version would remove those parts and my reluctant Kate would therefore be more in line with her dilemmas when the club bj happens. It makes more sense, at least to me.

Everyone else are entitled to their views and I have no intention to push my view as the sole truth, the right view or anything like that. I respect people liking the game as is, and I respect people that don't.
 

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How about, "You're going to serve me DEVILFISH on a platter or a squad of SAC/SOG guys will disappear you and you'll spend the last few years of your life slowly being peeled like an orange at a CIA black site?" Kriangsak works for a criminal organization, and criminial organizations want to make lots of money, not deal with the paramilitary capabilites of the Five Eyes nations.
Yes, this is totally how it works. A random young woman spouting inane shit to a low-rung mafia guy and bam, you have a world-class terrorist all bagged and ready for delivery. They'll even add fries.

Why do you think the intelligence agencies even bother with the undercover approach if things are this simple?
 
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