Senor Smut
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Troqu
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Oh being abandoned doesn't mean we won't still relentlessly mock its weekly reports. Gaining that tag has no real effect.
Mercedes
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Basically, it's no surprise that nothing happens. His income has been steadily declining since November 2023, but it's far too small for him to need to change anything. And so, in 18 months of doing nothing, he's generated over $75,000 via Patron.
Unfortunately, I only have access to Patreon data, but he also uses other platforms to collect money.
Perhaps FA is just a front, and in reality, he's selling drugs to disguise his revenue.
Unfortunately, I only have access to Patreon data, but he also uses other platforms to collect money.
Perhaps FA is just a front, and in reality, he's selling drugs to disguise his revenue.
Mercedes
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This is none of Patreon's business, but those responsible here should finally take action, especially since other developers are sometimes marked as canceled just four months after their initial release, despite updates.
This won't change Crush's attitude, but here on this site it would lead to more transparency and fairness towards other developers and us users.
A quick search yielded the following data on abadoned games.
This won't change Crush's attitude, but here on this site it would lead to more transparency and fairness towards other developers and us users.
A quick search yielded the following data on abadoned games.
- Thread Updated: 2024-06-25 Girlfriend Unfettered
- Thread Updated: 2024-10-29 The Tyrant
- Thread Updated: 2024-02-24 Sarah Reclaimed
- Thread Updated: 2024-05-17 The DeLuca Family
I think they're such a big company without many competitors that they can weather reputation hits caused by customers getting scammed through their site. The only reputation that matters to them is their reputation with the credit card companies.
Senor Smut
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Patreon isn't in the business of providing goods or services, or even providing access to those who reliably provide goods and services. Their entire business model is to connect people who claim to want to provide goods or services in the future to those who want to pay for the possibility of receiving those goods or services. No guarantees are made. As people who support Crush and similar scams never tire of pointing out, Patreon exists to support the process of creation or even the idea of creation, not the product.
And that's why it's the perfect vehicle for scamming bastards like Crush. Money is paid each month, but no promise of results is ever made. Therefore, supporters can't claim fraud when nothing is produced, even though it most assuredly is fraud.
Patreon is a terrible model for supporting creators. It actively encourages them to do nothing, or to do the bare minimum necessary to maintain their desired number of patrons.
I could not disagree more.
Patreon, just like Kickstarter, allowed SO MANY great products to be made that would never have been even considered without it.
The only party at fault (well, ignoring Crush) here are the people who keep paying him after almost two years without an update.
NotRacist
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80% of the games on this site are either abandoned or are full scale milking operations
Patreon allowed many products to be developed.
Also
Patreon allowed many more products for scamming. Patreon do not punish people who uses their platform for this, more than 3/4 of games financed by patreon end up abandoned on it's first stage of development, and that's because Patreon allows this.
You can't blame people for falling for this entirely, FA is a great example of it: A game that showed promise, had an active developer and was actually turning good until anymore.
But... That's not how this works!
Unless you expect people at Patreon to whip out their crystal balls for project verification, it's impossible for them to "allow this" or "not allow this". That's just not how time works.
People signing up for projects on Patreon should be aware of risks and that's that. It's not Kickstarter, where you actually "buy" the product and might be eligible for a refund if the project ends up being a scam (but not if there was an actual documented effort made by the creators). On Patreon you're not purchasing a product, you're becoming a patron of a creator. You're not paying for their work per se, you're providing them with the resources they need to focus on art/creativity.
gymnopedies
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Senor Smut
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That's exactly what I said. I'm simply pointing out that the glass is essentially empty, while you're pointing out that there's a little bit of moisture on the bottom.
And there are people I support on Patreon, but they're podcasters who continuously bring out high-quality content in areas that I'm interested in. They provide proof that they're working and succeeding. That's a good use of the platform. "Keep giving me money and in a year or ten I might give you something if I feel like it. Or not. Fuck you, where's my money?" is a bad use of the platform.
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Warspawnfury75
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i have given up on so many developers due to inconstant development, or over consistent updates that don't develop anything or restart the whole thing. that being said there are good ones out there. oh, as for the A.I. Art arguments, I'll just say this A.I. is meant to be a tool for anyone to use even in art, do not say it's stealing "your" artwork, when you know damn well that "your" artwork, while yes painstakingly drawn by you, is an amalgam of other artists work before you, just as every artist before you used other artists work to form their own style
But that's exactly how it works.
2/4 to 3/4 games patreon-financed end up not being finished, incomplete or enter a cycle of endless reworks. Numbers don't lie if those numbers to exist is because Patreon ALLOWS devious developers to do it.
Yes, your money your choice and consequences but Patreon allows it hence every damn game of any developer with no previous work refecences has a very high chance to become a scam.
when patreon punishes incest content in a porn game rather than real life people who scam other people using their platform
waiting for that abandoned tag.....
Senor Smut
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I'm not reveling in the imminent Abandoned tag. I'm here because once I loved this game, and I'm willing to bet that almost everyone in this thread is here for the same reason. Once upon a time, FA was a very good/borderline great game, and it makes me sad to lose one of those. Not that the assignment of a tag means it's lost -- years ago, Crush decided to switch from honest developer to scammer, and the very good/borderline great game died at that moment. The Abandoned tag is just the tombstone. I don't gloat over the tombstone of something I used to love.
gymnopedies
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