HTML Female Agent [v1.20.1p] [Crushstation]

[ScarletCrow]

Or did you think the developer wrote 5MB of entity escaped JS strings and minified JS libs... and is like "here you go, enjoy hacking on this in Windows Notepad because that's what us developers do, amirite!"

That's not the point people are trying to make here. What people are saying is that the source code of the game is not really "closed". You can use any text editor to read the code and edit if you are dedicated enough. The last time I checked, the portion that the devs actually added was not minified. The minified code was the Sugarcube and some 3rd party libraries code. And the escaped characters stuff, you can reverse it back to a more "readable" format quite easily. Hell, maybe you don't even need to do all that and can just use the web version of Twine editor.

 

[ScarletCrow]

I don't exactly know what Sharpx19 means when he said that the devs would release the source code. Does he mean like making the project open source or what? I very much doubt so. I think most likely Crush will just create some guidelines for people to submit stories. And the devs will still be the one adding those into the game.

 

[Idontknowme]

Twine code IS open source. All you need to do is load the .html in Twine 2. You can edit the fuck outta the game. SugarCube has extensive documentation. Crush is not developing the code from scratch. He developed the rules on which the Sex Engine is based. I believe he calls it SURPS. The parts that one would struggle with are the weights to be attached to different variables and the proportion for randomness.

 

[ScarletCrow]

Yeah sorry, what I mean is, does Crush plan to make the project repository public and people can make merge request or something? I really doubt it to be honest.

 

[Idontknowme]

I think no one who publishes Twine games is under the illusion that their code is private. Twine is relatively easy to learn and code in but you pay a price for that because of the code visibility and the ease with which players can cheat. Most people that develop Twine games learn from the codes of other games. So even if they don't outright copy the code they are at the very least 'inspired' by it.

There are Twine games based on the very same premise. Life Choices and Fresh Start were based on a naive, young girl moving to a big city and slowly getting corrupted.

What I mean by this is Crush can't control who uses his code. His art assets may be his IP and he can lay a claim to that but Twine is inherently open source and I don't believe you can claim for loops as yours.

If you are referring to just community developed scenes then, yes, Crush would probably develop guidelines for those scene contributors who do not wish to code. And many may choose to follow it since getting the hang of someone else's variable names is a massive pain in the ass.

But if you want to get started on a game that utilizes a similar mechanism there is nothing in the world stopping you.

 

[gobbet]

Yeah sorry, what I mean is, does Crush plan to make the project repository public and people can make merge request or something? I really doubt it to be honest.

Part of the plan all along was to create framework he calls SURPS that would become a publicly usable tool to generate other games.

 

[boobthief]

What is your point exactly? He is developing IN twine, he is not developing twine. So if somone create character creation in uniti then he reinvented untii engine? It is engine and you develop with it...

I literally pointed out: "Do you realise this is a Twine / SugarCube project?" No idea how you get that to mean they are necessarily developing / contributing to Twine itself.

The character creation is a huge part of Female Agent... I'm assuming you have actually played the game(?)

My point... remains... that by hacking on the HTML file, especially in Notepad, you are neither working with the source code like the developer of this game nor, as you criticized someone else, "very well informed".

 

[Leiafanman]

So uhhh, did Crush died? Goes from update every day or two to nothing in 9 days?

 

[Arkady]

Probably vanished in a poof of frustration that development wasn't working out as he liked and people are starting to seriously call him out on the lack of actual progress on Patreon (with surprisingly little white knighting in response).

 

[prodigy]

I literally pointed out: "Do you realise this is a Twine / SugarCube project?" No idea how you get that to mean they are necessarily developing / contributing to Twine itself.

The character creation is a huge part of Female Agent... I'm assuming you have actually played the game(?)

My point... remains... that by hacking on the HTML file, especially in Notepad, you are neither working with the source code like the developer of this game nor, as you criticized someone else, "very well informed".

Oh yes, you also forgot to point out that notepad dose not save unicode! You know that for basic changes you could use text editor, and if you have any idea aboiut js you also know how to access/dump ref depo.

 

[asdfasdf12341234ACSACA]

Update is out (for patreons). Public one in 14 days.

 

[czertik]

any chance for update of this game ?

 

[leotort]

Changelog for 1.6 consists of new mechanics for branching outcomes in sex scenes that has been implemented in one pre-existing scene, as well as minor things like a dark mode and being able to change the size of your avatar.

 

[TheLoneDalish]

Next update (1.7) will be focused on the story according to Crush, so I'm not mad about another feature only update.

 

[Mindcraft]

I think Crush should make a demo version and keep the full game as a patreon exclusive. No more public versions.

 

[ScarletCrow]

I think Crush should make a demo version and keep the full game as a patreon exclusive. No more public versions.

That's a solid idea, except that pirates will probably still find a way. Especially because it's a Twine game. I bet the code won't actually cut from the demo build, and it's totally possible to unlock the Patreon content. If it's actually cut, then he got to maintain two different code base, which seeing as how he was already swamped with tasks, doesn't sound very good. And the game is nowhere near finished already, so how do you decide which features should be in the demo, which one should be cut? With public version being one version behind, it kinda serves the same purpose already.

The only way to really protect the Twine game source code is not releasing any public version at all. No demo, nothing. But that won't help visibility. He might just as well publish the game only in his own closed community, no point creating Patreon account at all.

 

[Mindcraft]

A demo version could have a condensed character creator and 1 small mission with the new framework and it would be a one time thing. He would have to create it separately bit i think he can do that. He already has 6k in patreon support so i would say he is pretty visible. His patreons wont leak the patreon version, else it would have been leaked here already. ScarletCrow

 

[asdfasdf12341234ACSACA]

So what exactly is the point of having a demo version that is a cut down version? As in, what do you expect to achieve?

 

[ScarletCrow]

Sure, if he's that confident with his patrons and already quite content with the 6K per month, he can do that. Keep in mind that patrons might drop their support. And if he can't get some fresh flock of supporters, then the number could drop.

And, yes. I actually feel it's quite unfair to the Patrons to release the 1.6 version very soon to the public. Especially after the long wait. If it's up to me, I won't lock any feature for a Twine game. No point. I will just release to the public one version behind. So 1.6 should be released to public when the 1.7 drops for the Patrons. Sounds sensible to me. But still the issue is still the long wait between release, and the amount of content. Which he still got to overcome, both for the Patrons and general public.

 

[ScarletCrow]

So what exactly is the point of having a demo version that is a cut down version? As in, what do you expect to achieve?

Demo version is supposed to tease people to buy the full product. But think about it, demo only has value if it's actually fun, so people want more. And they have to also be able to see that the full version has substantially more fun than the demo to justify the price tag. Has Female Agent reached this point yet, though? Patreon enables people to judge for themselves how much a project is worth their support. Many actually go on and off with their support. So how will the closed release work for these kind of Patrons? Do you think they won't leak the older release for example? I really don't see the point in the "demo only for the public", except to appease the most hardcore of supporters.