redwind21

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Why not just finish the game in its original form, then do a remake? It's like changing horses in the middle of a river.
 
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LowLevelLesser

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Why not just finish the game in its original form, then do a remake? It's like changing horses in the middle of a river.
Usually, it's just for the sake of dragging things out longer. Sometimes it's because the developer learns a lot during development and is able to actually do everything over in a much improved way (often when it's their first or second project).

In this case? Who the hell knows...
 

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Usually, it's just for the sake of dragging things out longer. Sometimes it's because the developer learns a lot during development and is able to actually do everything over in a much improved way (often when it's their first or second project).

In this case? Who the hell knows...
It's a shame he still hasn't learned to finish what he started
 
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A very old version was posted on Discord yesterday. 1.6P
For anyone who has never played a Patreon version, I highly recommend trying this one out, as it offers a few more convenience features than the regular version, but the rollback feature, in particular, opens up many new possibilities.
 
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Wow the reception to that last post was so bad he called in support lol.
He’s doing exactly what he done last time his followers started waking up and calling him out - hide.

A week or two from now, he’ll put up a post saying how it wasn’t cool of him to do that before blaming another delay on whatever comes out of his revolving door of excuses. (Going by the report, he’s throwing the “lovely” Victoria under the bus yet again)
 

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This delay because of the paper doll...it's a paper doll. It's a good paper doll, but the greatest paper doll the universe has ever seen is the cherry, not the sundae. It's not worth a second of delay. Strip it out completely or replace it with the pre-reboot one and you lose nothing notable. It's another bad joke.

Now, I understand why they're doing it. Crush has stated that he intends to make licensing of the paper doll a separate revenue stream. He thinks there's massive money in it. The thing is, the trend is away from hand-drawn paper dolls and toward AI-generated avatar art, which is much cheaper and much faster. I don't love AI avatar art, but I can tolerate it just fine if it means the game is getting more and faster updates.

AI-generated in-game art still makes me throw up in my mouth a little though.
 

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This delay because of the paper doll...it's a paper doll. It's a good paper doll, but the greatest paper doll the universe has ever seen is the cherry, not the sundae. It's not worth a second of delay. Strip it out completely or replace it with the pre-reboot one and you lose nothing notable. It's another bad joke.

Now, I understand why they're doing it. Crush has stated that he intends to make licensing of the paper doll a separate revenue stream. He thinks there's massive money in it. The thing is, the trend is away from hand-drawn paper dolls and toward AI-generated avatar art, which is much cheaper and much faster. I don't love AI avatar art, but I can tolerate it just fine if it means the game is getting more and faster updates.

AI-generated in-game art still makes me throw up in my mouth a little though.
I'm Okay with him just asking Chat GPT to just finish the game at this point.
 

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You know? When every image of the avatar lately was with black hair and white streaks I thought it was just an aesthetic choice to show the new streaks system by using a black and white contrast, never in my most pessimistic days did I think that it was because the avatar was broken and that was all it could show, I expected nothing and Crush somehow managed to deliver even less.
 
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Usually, it's just for the sake of dragging things out longer. Sometimes it's because the developer learns a lot during development and is able to actually do everything over in a much improved way (often when it's their first or second project).

In this case? Who the hell knows...
It is definitely to drag it out further. We had pretty much reached the end of the road for the MC as just a bartender. Fucked the manager multiple times, fucked his friends, fucked the boss, gets horny ever shift and can't even pretend to be embarrassed anymore, got sign off from the CIA to do whatever. It was time for the MC to be a full on prostitute, which signals the beginning of the end of the game. Rather than spend the last two years working on final chapters, he restarted to avoid tackling a major story event and keep the gravy train rolling indefinitely.
 

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It is definitely to drag it out further. We had pretty much reached the end of the road for the MC as just a bartender. Fucked the manager multiple times, fucked his friends, fucked the boss, gets horny ever shift and can't even pretend to be embarrassed anymore, got sign off from the CIA to do whatever. It was time for the MC to be a full on prostitute, which signals the beginning of the end of the game. Rather than spend the last two years working on final chapters, he restarted to avoid tackling a major story event and keep the gravy train rolling indefinitely.
I disagree. Crush has stated multiple times that everything before Kate bargirls is prologue. That's right: more than seven years, multiple reboots, and we're still in the fucking prologue. The story hasn't even started yet. The problem is not that having her bargirling would be the beginning of the end, it would be the beginning of the beginning. And Crush is shit-terrified even to take that step.
 

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I disagree. Crush has stated multiple times that everything before Kate bargirls is prologue. That's right: more than seven years, multiple reboots, and we're still in the fucking prologue. The story hasn't even started yet. The problem is not that having her bargirling would be the beginning of the end, it would be the beginning of the beginning. And Crush is shit-terrified even to take that step.
DAMN. He should just do himself and everyone else a favor and just GIVE UP already... geez. I remember him saying something about wanting the game to be basically "open-world" or some such nonsense. There's no way he'd be capable of that.
 
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The problem is not that having her bargirling would be the beginning of the end, it would be the beginning of the beginning.
But wouldn't being a bargirl already be a low point? What do you mean by "the beginning of the beginning"?

I also assumed that, by accepting the riskier and more "personal" job offered by Lu, the bad guy would show up and bring the mission/game closer to its denouement :ROFLMAO:.

P.S: does anyone remember the old version, where the original mission involved being a bargirl from the start, and where the agency even forced her to work as a sex worker for three nights in a row?

It was so different that I refuse to believe it was written by the same person :illuminati:.
 
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But wouldn't being a bargirl already be a low point? What do you mean by "the beginning of the beginning"?

I also assumed that, by accepting the riskier and more "personal" job offered by Lu, the bad guy would show up and bring the mission/game closer to its denouement :ROFLMAO:.

P.S: does anyone remember the old version, where the original mission involved being a bargirl from the start, and where the agency even forced her to work as a sex worker for three nights in a row?

It was so different that I refuse to believe it was written by the same person :illuminati:.
It's not about low points or high points. The story, as Crush has repeatedly said, is about Kate trying to catch Devilfish through bargirling and other forms of sex. Every single thing before that is prologue...OK, everything except the Lifepath he's spent the last 18 months (likely to be close to two years before anything gets released) working on -- that's a prologue to the prologue. This whole thing is bullshit all the way down.
 

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It's not about low points or high points. The story, as Crush has repeatedly said, is about Kate trying to catch Devilfish through bargirling and other forms of sex. Every single thing before that is prologue...OK, everything except the Lifepath he's spent the last 18 months (likely to be close to two years before anything gets released) working on -- that's a prologue to the prologue. This whole thing is bullshit all the way down.
I would say that the Lifepath is supposed to be the prologue, and bar girling is more Chapter 1.

Your point still stands though.
 

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It's not about low points or high points. The story, as Crush has repeatedly said, is about Kate trying to catch Devilfish through bargirling and other forms of sex. Every single thing before that is prologue...OK, everything except the Lifepath he's spent the last 18 months (likely to be close to two years before anything gets released) working on -- that's a prologue to the prologue. This whole thing is bullshit all the way down.
Can't wait for the how I met your mother style prologue to the prologue to the prologue
 

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From what I have seen in the current code and the previous version, almost all interactions is with Kate doing sexual stuff and getting filmed/watched/having pictures taken. And then worrying about it afterwards, regretting it.

That is the common theme throughout. She hade several of them in some "prequel" missions in the old code, in the current she could be searched vaginally/anally before security cameras at the border and then the almost porn casting with Max.

The problem with that is that it destroys the main narrative which is just a longer version of the others. They are still the same basically.
 
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This delay because of the paper doll...it's a paper doll. It's a good paper doll, but the greatest paper doll the universe has ever seen is the cherry, not the sundae. It's not worth a second of delay. Strip it out completely or replace it with the pre-reboot one and you lose nothing notable. It's another bad joke.

Now, I understand why they're doing it. Crush has stated that he intends to make licensing of the paper doll a separate revenue stream. He thinks there's massive money in it. The thing is, the trend is away from hand-drawn paper dolls and toward AI-generated avatar art, which is much cheaper and much faster. I don't love AI avatar art, but I can tolerate it just fine if it means the game is getting more and faster updates.

AI-generated in-game art still makes me throw up in my mouth a little though.
You might be underselling how important the doll is to the game. There are no 2D or 3D rendered sex scenes (to my knowledge). There isn't real porn like in most HTML games. The only thing making this eye catching HTML game is the writing and avatar's facial and dress reactions to what's happening in the game (probably why Crush favors short, 3 sentence passages).
 

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You might be underselling how important the doll is to the game. There are no 2D or 3D rendered sex scenes (to my knowledge). There isn't real porn like in most HTML games. The only thing making this eye catching HTML game is the writing and avatar's facial and dress reactions to what's happening in the game (probably why Crush favors short, 3 sentence passages).
The other reason he favors short, three-sentence passages is so that he can do the least possible work while still telling everyone he wrote eleventy-wabjillion pages.
 
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