HTML Abandoned Female Agent [v1.20.1p] [Crushstation]

[Prawnstar69]

Again, this is not the full thing he's been working on for the past two years. This is, in fact, a way to avoid what he's been working on for two years, because people were demanding he put out something and this was all that he felt could be made ready in a short timeline. The other thing is still coming, or so he says (personally I don't think we'll ever see it). There's plenty to complain about with Crush, but lets at least complain about reality.

Si Senor the reality is that if he's TRULY a perfectionist, in the 2 years it has taken, the base code of a HTML game could've been entirely rewritten. But no, he'd rather keep updating us on all the bugs he's catching and Crushing till the pressure forces this "small release". And for all those who failed math, this game started in 2017 so this is year 8.

Any lessons that could have been learned, would have sunk in by now. And anyone still buying excuses, well, let's just say it's your money to burn. But let's agree and accept that unless he's committing to a fixed release schedule and real progress, by his actions and behaviour, this has turned to a sham (I'd call it a scam, but let's not trigger the pedantic).

He's got a few choices - actually roll up his sleeves and commit to developing a game that is maybe complete while his fans can still get horny, or keep stringing along whoever is left (maybe including himself) that this is about perfection, even with all the errors he leaves in. E.g. did nobody notice "White Russian" and its predecessors had the wrong tab title since 1.13? It's still on the website, but I guess the Discord is too far up his arse to comment in these minor kinks in perfection eh?

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As the King of procrastination, I'm better qualified than most to recognise my loyal subjects when they do rushed and last minute work. Bad habits are fine because everyone is flawed, but as the saying goes "Love is nothing without action. Trust is nothing without proof. And sorry is nothing without change." I'm guessing next report is "I'm sorry / frazzled / combo platter", then rinse and repeat ad nauseam.

 

[boobthief]

Two fucking years. Impressive!

YHBT. HAND. lol

 

[Spawk]

I remember people saying, "In his head, he can only release the perfect update."
At the same time, Crush: I just drop something, they'll accept it, not like they have a choice.

 

[vez]

I remember people saying, "In his head, he can only release the perfect update."
At the same time, Crush: I just drop something, they'll accept it, not like they have a choice.

Nah, he had to be begged and basically forced to release this on his discord. He wanted to release the full thing when done.
Problem is, he's lost the trust of most people by now, so no matter what he does someone will complain. This small release a few weeks/months into the reboot would have been fine, I think, but by now it's... well, not great. It makes it look like it's all he's done till now.

 

[Prawnstar69]

Nah, he had to be begged and basically forced to release this on his discord. He wanted to release the full thing when done.
Problem is, he's lost the trust of most people by now, so no matter what he does someone will complain. This small release a few weeks/months into the reboot would have been fine, I think, but by now it's... well, not great. It makes it look like it's all he's done till now.

Yes of course it makes perfect sense that Patreons who literally pay money to support a game in development should have to beg to get a demo that's actually playable. Still less problematic than the "developer" who has to be begged to show "deliverable" (project manager speak for proof of work).

He's such a stand up guy! Said it before, will say it again; if he's sincere about writer's block or frazzlitis, go ahead hit the "pause billing" button. That's always been an option that will relieve the pressure. No obligations, but if you love the money then it's reasonable for investors to eventually want a return on investment (especially an incomplete one).

TL;DR version - Patreon ain't a charity, Crush needs to own that or go elsewhere to beg for handouts.

 

[okokok]

TL;DR version - Patreon ain't a charity, Crush needs to own that or go elsewhere to beg for handouts.

The people still supporting him after 18 months of no releases and showing almost nothing disagree and somehow there are still enough of them to give him a comfortable living in most places

 

[vez]

Yes of course it makes perfect sense that Patreons who literally pay money to support a game in development should have to beg to get a demo that's actually playable. Still less problematic than the "developer" who has to be begged to show "deliverable" (project manager speak for proof of work).

He's such a stand up guy! Said it before, will say it again; if he's sincere about writer's block or frazzlitis, go ahead hit the "pause billing" button. That's always been an option that will relieve the pressure. No obligations, but if you love the money then it's reasonable for investors to eventually want a return on investment (especially an incomplete one).

TL;DR version - Patreon ain't a charity, Crush needs to own that or go elsewhere to beg for handouts.

I'm not defending the guy (though I don't think he's a scammer, his issues are with self-esteem and reality, honestly), I was providing context specifically to answer Spawk's message.
Regarding pausing Patreon, I agree it would look better, but I'm not paying for it so I don't really care what he does.

 

[IjjKpoe]

I'm not defending the guy (though I don't think he's a scammer, his issues are with self-esteem and reality, honestly), I was providing context specifically to answer Spawk's message.
Regarding pausing Patreon, I agree it would look better, but I'm not paying for it so I don't really care what he does.

The only reality is that Crush discovered that Patreon allows Developers to do this freely.

 

[Senor Smut]

Yes of course it makes perfect sense that Patreons who literally pay money to support a game in development should have to beg to get a demo that's actually playable. Still less problematic than the "developer" who has to be begged to show "deliverable" (project manager speak for proof of work).

He's such a stand up guy! Said it before, will say it again; if he's sincere about writer's block or frazzlitis, go ahead hit the "pause billing" button. That's always been an option that will relieve the pressure. No obligations, but if you love the money then it's reasonable for investors to eventually want a return on investment (especially an incomplete one).

TL;DR version - Patreon ain't a charity, Crush needs to own that or go elsewhere to beg for handouts.

In situations like this, Patreon is precisely a charity: you give someone money in hopes that they'll use it to produce something good, but no promises of production are being made and therefore no promises are being broken. You can't get a clearer definition of charity than that. That's why Patreon is a deeply flawed platform.

 

[Prawnstar69]

In situations like this, Patreon is precisely a charity: you give someone money in hopes that they'll use it to produce something good, but no promises of production are being made and therefore no promises are being broken. You can't get a clearer definition of charity than that. That's why Patreon is a deeply flawed platform.

Nah... Search terms included, you can Google it yourself - Perhaps Crush and his devotees can put his writing talents to some use; convince the governments worldwide to accept the legal definition of Patreon as a charity, so that all creators get income tax free! That way Patreons will also be clear that it's a donation, not a subscription.

And "no promises of production"? Dude, what planet are you on? Weekly report is precisely to give illusion of production, hence my assertion it has become a sham (or scam, but that's debatable too). I understand it's a difficult concept, but usually reports are followed by progress, followed by product and that's a promise (the word you're looking for is contract) kept.

 

[BleepRose]

Did you seriously just try to use Google AI to win an argument? Jesus Christ

 

[Senor Smut]

Nah... Search terms included, you can Google it yourself - Perhaps Crush and his devotees can put his writing talents to some use; convince the governments worldwide to accept the legal definition of Patreon as a charity, so that all creators get income tax free! That way Patreons will also be clear that it's a donation, not a subscription.

And "no promises of production"? Dude, what planet are you on? Weekly report is precisely to give illusion of production, hence my assertion it has become a sham (or scam, but that's debatable too). I understand it's a difficult concept, but usually reports are followed by progress, followed by product and that's a promise (the word you're looking for is contract) kept.
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Notice the lack of definite terms in what you've quoted and what Crush's (lack of) progress reports say.

Taxable income: Don't even start with tax codes. I feel bad for you that you even included that in the above.

Value Exchange: Patreons pay for whatever the terms of the specific page say they get in return for their money. In this case, they get bigger boobs and multiple fetishes. Is it worth it? That is a wholly individual judgment. You and I would something along the lines of "Fuck no, you kidding me?" but others can, and do, have differing opinions. That has nothing to do with the legalities of Patreon.

"Creators are encouraged to treat their Patreon page like a professional business venture, etc." And if they don't? What happens then? Hint: the answer begins with "Nothing" and ends with "so fuck you and thanks for the money."

In other words, Patreon claims to be a business, and in some cases it is (like when the creator promises specific deliverables by specific dates, thus theoretically opening themselves to some form of liability if they can't or don't deliver). In other cases, the product the patron is purchasing is the knowledge that the developer is developing with an eye toward eventual delivery of some nonspecific thing at a nonspecific time. And like it or not Crush has delivered things at times, so he is absolutely fulfilling the letter of the law in that specific context.

The option the patrons have for coercive action against Crush are completely and utterly limited to ending their subscriptions.

 

[yewfella]

I think patronage is quite apt. Patrons collectively financially support a creator to allow him/her to pursue creative endeavours full time with the expectation of producing art, writing, or whatever it is. But an expectation to produce isn't a guarantee of production, although you would think most patrons would pull support if nothing is produced.

 

[IjjKpoe]

Charity is giving your hard earned salary to ... dunno Feed stray Kittens or donate to a Veterans Shelter or whatever.

P-A-Y-I-N-G a fuking developer to develop his game is a money transaction whom you expect to... ya know DEVELOP the product you paid for among other people.

Charity would be him releasing the damn fking game already....

 

[gymnopedies]

I'm worried about you guys. Are you seriously arguing, trying to understand, excuse, or interpret Crush? You're worse than the Patrons who still give money.

 

[Majus]

This whole thread is something you'd expect to read in 2005.
Guys, if you pay for a premium version of the game, instead of playing the F2P version, that doesn't mean that the developer will (or have to) release a new expansion or dlc or whatever.

To think that it's 2025 and people still can't wrap their head around something like this, makes me really worried for humanity overall.

 

[Spawk]

This whole thread is something you'd expect to read in 2005.
Guys, if you pay for a premium version of the game, instead of playing the F2P version, that doesn't mean that the developer will (or have to) release a new expansion or dlc or whatever.

How far humanity has fallen in two decades! People expect the developers to finish the game they've been paid to make for several years, or at least continue it a little bit.

 

[IjjKpoe]

This whole thread is something you'd expect to read in 2005.
Guys, if you pay for a premium version of the game, instead of playing the F2P version, that doesn't mean that the developer will (or have to) release a new expansion or dlc or whatever.

To think that it's 2025 and people still can't wrap their head around something like this, makes me really worried for humanity overall.

How backwards our society has turned! People expect that their money isn't wasted!

Why you, FP2 player, have to worry about people giving fking bad propaganda to this industry! (gaming in general) Why can't you settle with this garbage instead of MINIMUM quality products!

Yeees you! We're 2025 mate! Why would you complain it's not 2005!

I do believe you guys are just ragebaiting people for fun.

I love it.

 

[Senor Smut]

Expect in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up first. Expectations impose no obligations unless a contract is specified and agreed to. Crush's Patreon imposes no obligations on him except that he will take the money and do...something. Well, he's doing something. He's not producing playable content that extends the story of the game, but he's doing something. Should anyone be satisfied with that? Hell no, they should take their money and run. But that's their choice, and if they choose to continue hucking money down a hole, that's their decision. I wish they'd stop before Crush completes his impending nervous breakdown, but I have no say in the matter, and neither do you or anyone else here.

 

[Majus]

How backwards our society has turned! People expect that their money isn't wasted!

Why you, FP2 player, have to worry about people giving fking bad propaganda to this industry! (gaming in general) Why can't you settle with this garbage instead of MINIMUM quality products!

Yeees you! We're 2025 mate! Why would you complain it's not 2005!

I do believe you guys are just ragebaiting people for fun.

I love it.

Exactly. People expect this and that... That's the whole issue you guys are having here.

I play many F2P games, WarThunder would be one example. If I pay for a "premium tank" or a "premium account" - that is what I get.

Now, I can "expect" that the developer will use my money to update a game with my favourite historic tank or WWII tank that is themed as "My Little Pony Wagon", but that is my expectation, not an obligation that the developer has to fulfill.

My point is, that it seems that you're ragebaiting yourself, with unfound expectations.