Recommending Female domination Games

[Nottravis]

I've simply said the honest truth And I can't wait for chapter 4 (and for more Chris of course ).

Obs I don't want to derail the thread but I'll be talking more about concepts for Chris in 4 on my forum in the next few weeks so well worth keeping an eye out for it especially if you want to join in the discussion on content. It's not a patron bonus, fully open to anyone who likes my work.

 

[noonehere]

Thank you. That was kind of you to say and I'm glad you enjoyed it

But if you thought Chapt Three was good......

Please, don't hold back

 

[Ianuda]

[...] That nature - mind you an unintelligent and blind force - has living organisms copying themselves via stealthily enticing them either through sheer instinct or unrelated subjective desire, does not and should not translate into a moral obligation of any sort - that's a logical fallacy called: appeal to nature. Even if sexual desire and all its varieties would inherently contain a desire to pop out babies - which they absolutely do not, ask homosexuals while you're at it too - we humans in particular derive our ethics from entirely separate sources, not the blind mechanisms of evolution and thus we are not beholden to do what nature wants us to do. The majority of our moral standards are based on understanding and reasoning. [...]

I don't want to necro that part of the threat, but it is clear to me that morality is by definition derived from biological evolution, especially in the long term. Simply because a society that does not put value in procreation will inevitably die out. Thus, religion may say "big daddy tells you to stick it this way", but in effect, it is closer to Darwin than so-called "atheists" who say "you are free to stick wherever you like". On a collective level, no, "you" are not free to do anything - we as gene-machines are all bound by Nature and get dominated by the reality of collective survival (more precisely, genetic survival, but it's close enough, honestly). As evolutionists say, give it enough time. And time is exactly what individualists lack the grasp of.

(Incidentally, this is also the way I philosophically view femdom in - as submission to impersonal, divine desire.)

On the topic, I would like to admit my pleasure that unlike in mainstream Californian pornography with big dudes, or even in the more sentimental and high-IQ Japanese AV industry, femdom games seem to be far less centred on pegging. I have always been appalled at how such a simple concept as sexual role reversal often degenerates into "domination = penetration", "domination = whipping", "domination = cuckoldry"... Why is it so hard? (Somewhat ironic, because I would turn it all into bondage, but still, to me, the main part about any relationship is supposed to be love - pain, foot-sniffing and alimony are optional extras).

 

[Aseratrix]

I don't want to necro that part of the threat, but it is clear to me that morality is by definition derived from biological evolution, especially in the long term. Simply because a society that does not put value in procreation will inevitably die out. Thus, religion may say "big daddy tells you to stick it this way", but in effect, it is closer to Darwin than so-called "atheists" who say "you are free to stick wherever you like". On a collective level, no, "you" are not free to do anything - we as gene-machines are all bound by Nature and get dominated by the reality of collective survival (more precisely, genetic survival, but it's close enough, honestly). As evolutionists say, give it enough time. And time is exactly what individualists lack the grasp of.

(Incidentally, this is also the way I philosophically view femdom in - as submission to impersonal, divine desire.)

On the topic, I would like to admit my pleasure that unlike in mainstream Californian pornography with big dudes, or even in the more sentimental and high-IQ Japanese AV industry, femdom games seem to be far less centred on pegging. I have always been appalled at how such a simple concept as sexual role reversal often degenerates into "domination = penetration", "domination = whipping", "domination = cuckoldry"... Why is it so hard? (Somewhat ironic, because I would turn it all into bondage, but still, to me, the main part about any relationship is supposed to be love - pain, foot-sniffing and alimony are optional extras).

Interesting. And that's enough.

 

[Ianuda]

For me whats disturbing is your attempt to reduce the notion of intimacy to copulation.

I actually share this idea, but with a more dignified slant. I don't view reductionism as lessening or denigration. When I am drawn to marvelling at the sunset, I see it as deep mystical proof of the unity of life. When I am drawn to light, do I not metaphorically perform phototaxis? It is not so vulgar when matter is thought divine.

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Returning to the topic, what does seem to be a prejudiced meme in this community is that femdom ought to be gloomy. If it were not for cheerful Mistresses of the Forest by CrimsonGrey, I would have been utterly disenchanted by this point. I guess, I should check out more Japanese games, even though some require shamanistic rituals to run (as a Russian saying goes, "dances with a tambourine"). (I have successfully installed RPGVXAce to run that cute fantasy findom simulator Always in Debt, that's hopeful.)

 

[Mister_M]

some require shamanistic rituals to run

Most just require simple locale emulator to run, sometimes you need to use Japanese language settings in your WinRAR when unpacking, nothing too difficult. There's more bondage in jap. games, but their VNs are more like kinetic novels than proper games so I don't like them that much. Detective Masochist has a lot of humor btw so it may be to your liking; I personally enjoyed parts of "So I hear You like Sadistic Women" and the one with sadistic sisters (can't recall the title). I don't like their RPGm games though, although was Peniban Quest Japanese? I liked that one. Did you try Darktoz's games? While his worlds are seemingly (nomen est omen) dark, there's a lot of humor there too (I'm mostly thinking about Femdom City now).

 

[Aseratrix]

I actually share this idea, but with a more dignified slant. I don't view reductionism as lessening or denigration. When I am drawn to marvelling at the sunset, I see it as deep mystical proof of the unity of life. When I am drawn to light, do I not metaphorically perform phototaxis? It is not so vulgar when matter is thought divine.

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Returning to the topic, what does seem to be a prejudiced meme in this community is that femdom ought to be gloomy. If it were not for cheerful Mistresses of the Forest by CrimsonGrey, I would have been utterly disenchanted by this point. I guess, I should check out more Japanese games, even though some require shamanistic rituals to run (as a Russian saying goes, "dances with a tambourine"). (I have successfully installed RPGVXAce to run that cute fantasy findom simulator Always in Debt, that's hopeful.)

Well, this thread is definitely not for religion, I myself am non-religious and non-spiritual and, yeah, I like my femdom not being too cheery, but deep and intense. Not that I mind comedy, I actually love humor, but of the more cutting one, like Monty Python or George Carlin. The problem with femdom and comedy is, that the mainstream always tried and tries to portray femdom as something laughable, which annoys me to say the least. Of course, mainstream things almost universally suck, so there's that.
Respectfully, I am sorry to say, but I disagree with you on everything you said: reproduction (we invented plenty of methods for contraception, there is no compulsion to breed whatsoever, its a choice - we are not bound blindly to nature, we can follow reason instead), I consider myself child-free, on religion (spirituality or whatever), and I also have a different taste in femdom (I also like Mistresses Of The Forest, but probably for different reasons), but no worries, no hard feelings. And please, I beg you, do not transform this lovely thread into a debate. Thanks!

 

[Mister_M]

the mainstream always tried and tries to portray femdom as something laughable

That is irritating, but your post made me remember one episode of the "Homicide: Life on the Street" TV Show when 2 of main characters during murder investigation find that the victim was into BDSM and femdom and det. Bayliss reacts in a way that's seen too often in media but the episode as a whole is quite respectful towards the subject and even Bayliss finds that he may have some hidden desire for BDSM himself (shame that subject was never continued). I don't remember which episode that was though. I hope I am not derailing the thread too much, maybe count it as a part of film recommendations.

Monty Python

I absolutely love Monty Python.

 

[Ianuda]

The mainstream itself doesn't know what it wants and what it mocks, so it's useless to follow it. The mainstream is just a big useless echochamber. They want feminism, but they also despise everything not vanilla maledom at the same time. Echochambers do love their stereotypes dearly; to them, memes are reality. Again, it's like in normie Western porn where femdom is always pegging.

reproduction (we invented plenty of methods for contraception, there is no compulsion to breed whatsoever, its a choice - we are not bound blindly to nature, we can follow reason instead)

The misunderstanding rises as always from the subject - who is free to do that? You are talking about individuals, I'm about the collectives. Only those populations will go on which do something "reasonable" or whatever you call it - but that something will usually be quite similar and clear-cut among different groups. Using gunpowder does not make you a Sinophile.

one episode of the "Homicide: Life on the Street" TV Show

It's always leather, isn't it? BDSM = leather. Or latex. It's the same tired old cliches as that foot and boot fetishes are interchangeable (at least for me, they are night and day, and I cringe at every debooting scene).

 

[Aseratrix]

The mainstream itself doesn't know what it wants and what it mocks, so it's useless to follow it. The mainstream is just a big useless echochamber. They want feminism, but they also despise everything not vanilla maledom at the same time. Echochambers do love their stereotypes dearly; to them, memes are reality. Again, it's like in normie Western porn where femdom is always pegging.

The misunderstanding rises as always from the subject - who is free to do that? You are talking about individuals, I'm about the collectives. Only those populations will go on which do something "reasonable" or whatever you call it - but that something will usually be quite similar and clear-cut among different groups. Using gunpowder does not make you a Sinophile.

A nice summation of mainstream "sensibility", well done! As per reproducing and "going on" I think those have their own philosophical and ethical conundrums seldom objects of critical scrutiny outside towers of ivory, and their fulfillment is left up to those population segments for whom it is the most burdensome, but also for whom tragically it is the only source of meaning. I find myself lucky to have been in the position to treat the issue as a fully aware personal choice. The shenanigans of the DNA or the need of production lines failed to snare me in.

Onto the more salient issues: I agree with both of you, that the leather-clad dominatrix stereotype as well as the insensitivity to relevant details such as boots vs feet is most unfortunate. I do like the emphasis on shape latex pants, gloves or whatever can achieve in showcasing the smooth beauty of female curvatures, but the uniform-like mentality mainstream producers and vanilla representations caricatured them as, is everything but sexy. Ideal female form and reality are not always intersecting, and in some cases forcing on a corset results in the exact opposite of the intended. It rests on us femdom lovers to break the stereotype, and indeed for me personally it adds to the realism and hence intensity of scenes where femdom seamlessly integrates into everyday life, including clothing.

I think that it was never the ones into this lifestyle who were adamant on sequestering the genre into this theatrical BDSM paraphernalia, but the porn industry and people not really into it. It was them who turned it into the caricature and parody that it is in common consciousness, so that they can immediately label, point a finger at it, and cover their excitement or derision behind the obligatory laughter which it is programmed by a patriarchal, male-centric society under the penalty of ridicule and the reward of reinforcing expectations of gender constructs. The easiest way to neutralize the subversive nature of powerful and authoritative women, is to isolate and transform them into cheap objects of ridicule.

This is the same reason why male dominance can be worn on the sleeves and even garners praise or at least tacit approval, while male submission to females must be hidden in mundane society, for as far as the latter is concerned: females are bound to follow the prescriptions of femininity and males are expected to reinforce their adherence to the precepts of masculinity. Its one way in which gender-boxes oppress the non-conforming expressions of the sexes via peer pressure and threats of social stigmatization. In my opinion this is the reason why gender-constructs have come to be so strong, that many people rather than fight the narrow box alotted to their sex, attempt to rather swap their biological sex, in an ultimately self-defeating attempt to both be themselves and conform to social expectations. The sad thing is, this only reinforces the constructs which forced them into mental contortions to begin with.

 

[Tuanorgas]

It's getting kind of philosophical here

I think that it was never the ones into this lifestyle who were adamant on sequestering the genre into this theatrical BDSM

This is a problem the movie industry has with many topics, not just BDSM. Producers often take lazy approach and adapt things based on general misconceptions and cliches instead of doing actual research. I think it will get better in time as more people will complain about bad interpretations and it's easier for them to spread now through the internet. Not sure if BDSM will be a priority though.

This is the same reason why male dominance can be worn on the sleeves and even garners praise or at least tacit approval, while male submission to females must be hidden in mundane society

I think the image of dominant husband and submissive housewife is still too engraved in society. If it's the other way around it's often ridiculed. At least in my country people often make fun of men if they are acting submissively towards their wives saying they are "under the slipper" (literal translation from my language). I hope we as a society can accept more types of relationship dynamics in the future.
Also I read somewhere the concept of maledom was more popularized (and kind of deformed) by Fifty Shades of Gray. I haven't watched the movie myself so I can't say if it's true.

 

[Ianuda]

"under the slipper" (literal translation from my language).

"Under the heel" in Russian. Still, my problem with this is also how sexual and social are confused. Why is it the case that femdom _must_ be matriarchy? The two are separate. Isn't it so common that a husband is a will-less yes-man not just with his wife? When it's just pure manipulation and sadism, towards him or his children by his wife? That's not femdom.

Obviously, I'm not entangling that with consensual role-reversal. But too often sexual femdom and social RR are confused, and then IRL, RR may turn into plain abuse... (And then you have my brave, yet misguided, incel comrades who equate feminism with femdom, even though it's the male judge who screws you over.) Unfortunately, porn games are not the only things mistagged.

By the way, is

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a good locale emulator?

 

[Mister_M]

By the way, is

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a good locale emulator?

Yes, I'm using this one too and never had a problem with opening the game.

It's always leather, isn't it? BDSM = leather.

Of course it was leather. But in this ep it wasn't that bad. It was a subplot in a story that had to be condensed into one approx. 45 min. long ep. so using obvious and easily recognizable symbol of BDSM is not that surprising and made it easier for the general audience to understand it, plus the story goes against the notion that the people who like BDSM are sick perverts so that was good too, especially considering it run on TV back in 1994 (I think, definitely between 1993-1995 though). Overall however I completely agree with how wrong BDSM and femdom are portrayed in media, but that's also coming from how our societies are constructed in general.

old cliches as that foot and boot fetishes are interchangeable

Yeah, I get you. But it's the opposite in my case, don't like boots, love feet.

 

[Aseratrix]

"Under the heel" in Russian. Still, my problem with this is also how sexual and social are confused. Why is it the case that femdom _must_ be matriarchy? The two are separate. Isn't it so common that a husband is a will-less yes-man not just with his wife? When it's just pure manipulation and sadism, towards him or his children by his wife? That's not femdom.

Obviously, I'm not entangling that with consensual role-reversal. But too often sexual femdom and social RR are confused, and then IRL, RR may turn into plain abuse... (And then you have my brave, yet misguided, incel comrades who equate feminism with femdom, even though it's the male judge who screws you over.) Unfortunately, porn games are not the only things mistagged.

By the way, is

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a good locale emulator?

The social and the sexual are very much entangled on a deeper, not immediately obvious level. But lets not get into that, this is already too philosophical, as it was pointed out already. I have to mention it tho, because you have an uncanny knack of just dropping some heavy problematic nuggets in a couple of words each time you speak, honestly I am impressed . I prefer Gynarchy to Matriarchy anyways .

I would not equate feminism with femdom, but in my own case being that my main "fetish" is female supremacy, I do consider myself supporting feminism (well the gender critical, radical one, to be precise) and I do think that femdom and mainly the attitudes to it, are a rich and neglected source for analysis. It is also undeniable, that femdom is one of the very few avenues in which the female sex is unabashedly celebrated in stark contrast with the femininity-construct imposed on them by mainstream society.

In my experience incels are generally hostile towards females, so femdom has all the bells and whistles to be the poster-girl of their hostility and as a representation of females in power they feel probably directly challenged by it. Never saw sadder people than incels, honestly. Now, that being said, not all males who are unuccessful in finding a partner are incels, to be an "incel" in its full social meaning, one must adopt an irrational narrative in which females are to be blamed for their own inadequacies, and also adapt to regressive, reactionary, traditionalist hostility towards the very idea of females as equals, gods forbid their betters .

 

[Aseratrix]

Yes, I'm using this one too and never had a problem with opening the game.

Am I the only Windows peasant around here?

I am so lucky to love both feet worship and boot worship

 

[Ianuda]

In my experience incels are generally hostile towards females, so femdom has all the bells and whistles to be the poster-girl of their hostility and as a representation of females in power they feel probably directly challenged by it. Never saw sadder people than incels, honestly.

I can't hold back from declaring that I tend to agree with a lot of insights of the most sublime Incel Theory [of Everything]. Again, I don't want to ruin often justified stereotypes with my personal uniqueness, but I do fail to see why an incel can't be a feminist, if said incel adopts a collectivist view of society, and reasonable feminism is proved to benefit the community at large. And on a more intimate level, why can't an incel have a femdom fetish just because? Harsh femdom, gentle femdom, egalitarian fantasies - those are all possible alternatives to explicit maledom.

(Reframing this to fetishes, if I happen also to enjoy tied up girls, it does not mean that I'm necessarily into maledom or lezdom. Compartmentalisation!)

Overall, I don't view any kind of society as finished. It is always progressing, the evolution ongoing. The more time passes, the more honest people might become. The more failures, the more successes. If we take incels, I don't go for simplistic "hypergamy = bad". After all, females and males have both been under evolutionary pressures, at many points from one another. And on it goes, the constant war, the eternal dialectic of matter. Love is the highest when coupled with understanding.

 

[Leo Humilis]

I don't want to necro that part of the threat, but it is clear to me that morality is by definition derived from biological evolution, especially in the long term. Simply because a society that does not put value in procreation will inevitably die out. Thus, religion may say "big daddy tells you to stick it this way", but in effect, it is closer to Darwin than so-called "atheists" who say "you are free to stick wherever you like". On a collective level, no, "you" are not free to do anything - we as gene-machines are all bound by Nature and get dominated by the reality of collective survival (more precisely, genetic survival, but it's close enough, honestly). As evolutionists say, give it enough time. And time is exactly what individualists lack the grasp of.

If anything humanity needs for survival right now - it is less babies, because 7+ billions human beings is plainly too much and we are exhausting the Earth's resources. Too much surviving offspring can lead to extinction of a species just as easily as not enough offspring and if anything threatens our survival as a species at this point, it is overpopulation.

 

[Ianuda]

If anything humanity needs for survival right now - it is less babies, because 7+ billions human beings is plainly too much and we are exhausting the Earth's resources. Too much surviving offspring can lead to extinction of a species just as easily as not enough offspring and if anything threatens our survival as a species at this point, it is overpopulation.

Again, the other side of individualism is universalism. As a collectivist, I am a supporter of that outdated Cold-War-era concept known as national sovereignty.

By the way, are there any Korean games, femdom games? Sadistic Beauty is such a nice manhwa, clearly superior.

 

[Mister_M]

are there any Korean games, femdom games?

I may be mistaken, but I don't think I have seen any (or if I did - which is rather unlikely - I didn't know it was Korean).

 

[Deleted member 1571565]

*sigh* I've hit most games through this whole thread. I'm so desperate for something to play lately, I've even been playing abandoned games (which up until now I avoided like the plague). I don't suppose anyone has found something recently thats a hidden gems? I'm seriously burnt out on feet though, if its exclusively feet content I'll pass. Oddly enough lately I've been into mommydom stuff, like...I wasn't into spanking and stuff before, but after playing spanquest and some other games, I'm really into it now.


A nice little find is "Sex Valley", its not tagged as femdom but it definitely has some tones for it. What makes it unique from my point of view, is basically all interactions have 3 kinds of responses. You can make a confident (alpha personality) response, a charming response (neutral, keeps things diplomatic) and finally a submissive response, which is as it sounds, a submissive play. So while the game isn't "femdom" you definitely have an entire route dedicated you being submissive, and its fun as hell! The girls do respond in kind to your responses, if you're submissive a lot, they tend to take charge and tease you into doing some things you are "too shy" to admit yourself.

Other than that...I'm really dried out Q_Q maybe I missed an update or something on some of the older games if anything got recently updated (again, barring foot exclusive games).