Ren'Py Four Elements Trainer [v1.1.2b] [Mity]

[Zantei]

You can't always just hire another coder and be done with it. From what I've read (on here) from people who want to make mods for the game, the code is pretty messy. You would have to hire another coder, hope the original coder isn't pissed about it, bring the second coder up to speed on what is happening in the code (which could take a few months), get both coders in sync with each other on how they're going to do all this, and then after maybe 6 months you now have two people working on messy code. This also introduces the possibility of increased bugs as even though the coders are now working together, they're also working separately. Each one has the possiblity of making new bugs.

The god awful spaghetti code wouldn't be an issue if the project was handled properly from the beginning. Should've broken off book 4 into a separate game kind of like a lot of games do with breaking up chapters. That way they wouldn't have to continue building onto the spaghetti code from Books 1-3. And that would've also been the best time to hire a new coder. It was just handled very poorly and it's starting to really show.

 

[Deleted member 436513]

That way they wouldn't have to continue building onto the spaghetti code from Books 1-3.

Alright, just to drive this point home.

This is what the code for Books 1&2 looks like in the last Azula update from 2017, and how it's changed since then. Filenames that are colored red are the ones that had their content modified, black are the ones where everything is identical line by line.



You may notice that there aren't any, because both versions are, in fact, the same fucking thing. The code for Book 1 hasn't been touched or "built on" since Book 1 was finished. Same with Book 2, same with Book 3. And I mean to a ridiculous extent, the current game flow is basically "run the standard example project script.rpy which contains the intro and ALL OF BOOK 1, but there's a map screen injected into the middle of it which lets you jump to the other 3 books instead of finishing it".

And this is what FET looks like if you take all of the code and assets for the first three books, and just fucking YEET THEM OUT OF the game entirely:

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You may notice that it looks like the same fucking thing, because none of the books reference any of the previous code and Ren'Py doesn't give the tiniest of shits if something isn't there.

BUT WAIT

THERE'S MORE

This is what the Python code for Book 4 looks like (the part that isn't just linear dialogue or image names), the portion that takes MONTHS to familiarize yourself with, the hurdle any new coder on the team would have to get over, the leviathan task no man can hope to overcome, THE ABSOLUTE MOUNTAIN OF



it's two files

No seriously, it's two files. That's it. Everything else is either file paths, the dialogue, or basic VN stuff. Here's what the map system looks like:



Impressed? Check out the day/night system, then.



ARE YOU FEELING THE WEIGHT YET

TO BEAR SUCH AN UNIMAGINABLE BURDEN

FOR ONE MAN TO UNDERSTAND THIS IN A MERE FIVE MON... you get the idea.

 

[Ratnedalu]

I kiiinda want to see the comments from the update.

 

[Deleted member 436513]

Bonus cherry on top:



This is what the code for the rest of the game (books 1-3) looks like. You may notice that everything is haphazardly thrown into a single folder with basically no care given to organization. I imagine things started to get a bit confusing around book 3's development, so he started to prepend filenames with bk3_ to differentiate them and actually be able to tell what belongs where. Then finally, for Book 4, things get their own dedicated folder.

Your first thought would probably be something along the lines of "well yeah but he didn't know that at first, and you'd have to change everything now and risk breaking the code so it's better to just leave it there". Except... Ren'Py doesn't care about that. Code doesn't HAVE a direct path, there isn't an import "../scripts/bk3_file.rpy" statement, all it understands are labels and screens. There's an actual "priority order" you can set for script blocks if you want them to execute in a certain order, because Ren'Py loads everything from everywhere during startup. You can rename files at will or move them into any folder at any point. Seriously try it, take all the Book 2 scripts and move them into a directory named "asfsgfs" or copy and paste everything into a single giant .rpy file, everything will continue to work exactly as it did before.

So why didn't he just do that? Well, because...

because...

...because he just never really like... thought... to do that. For three years. And he still hasn't.

Cherry on top #2: Why has there been a .zip file with code from an ancient version of the game included in the final build for the last 4-5 updates now?



Because he just... left it there. And hasn't really bothered to check what files are in the project or what goes into a build. For a year.

 

[Zantei]

It starts to get out of hand when you only have 2 people working on stuff. The work just piles on everything becomes cluttered and they start to get burned out. Again they should've just made book 4 a separate thing like other games do with chapter releases. That way they could've had a nice clean start with no left overs and maybe hire another coder so that they don't have to go through backlogs of code just to figure out what the fuck is going on.

 

[Deleted member 436513]

Again they should've just made book 4 a separate thing like other games do with chapter releases. That way they could've had a nice clean start with no left overs and maybe hire another coder so that they don't have to go through backlogs of code just to figure out what the fuck is going on.

T H E Y⠀ D I D .

 

[Zantei]

T H E Y⠀ D I D .

Book 4 is definitely not a separate thing, but okay the coding for book 4 isn't connected to anything else in the game. So why would hiring a new coder be an issue? From what you're saying a new coder wouldn't have to go through all of the old code when they first started Book 4. Am I misinterpreting what you're saying or..?

 

[Deleted member 436513]

So why would hiring a new coder be an issue?

*inhale*

IT. WOULDN'T.

 

[reaperxii]

Alright, just to drive this point home.

This is what the code for Books 1&2 looks like in the last Azula update from 2017, and how it's changed since then. Filenames that are colored red are the ones that had their content modified, black are the ones where everything is identical line by line.

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You may notice that there aren't any, because both versions are, in fact, the same fucking thing. The code for Book 1 hasn't been touched or "built on" since Book 1 was finished. Same with Book 2, same with Book 3. And I mean to a ridiculous extent, the current game flow is basically "run the standard example project script.rpy which contains the intro and ALL OF BOOK 1, but there's a map screen injected into the middle of it which lets you jump to the other 3 books instead of finishing it".

And this is what FET looks like if you take all of the code and assets for the first three books, and just fucking YEET THEM OUT OF the game entirely:

You must be registered to see the links

You may notice that it looks like the same fucking thing, because none of the books reference any of the previous code and Ren'Py doesn't give the tiniest of shits if something isn't there.

BUT WAIT

THERE'S MORE

This is what the Python code for Book 4 looks like (the part that isn't just linear dialogue or image names), the portion that takes MONTHS to familiarize yourself with, the hurdle any new coder on the team would have to get over, the leviathan task no man can hope to overcome, THE ABSOLUTE MOUNTAIN OF

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it's two files

No seriously, it's two files. That's it. Everything else is either file paths, the dialogue, or basic VN stuff. Here's what the map system looks like:

View attachment 479362

Impressed? Check out the day/night system, then.

View attachment 479363

ARE YOU FEELING THE WEIGHT YET

TO BEAR SUCH AN UNIMAGINABLE BURDEN

FOR ONE MAN TO UNDERSTAND THIS IN A MERE FIVE MON... you get the idea.

Who could under go such a task? It simply cannot be done. The amount of time it would take someone to learn this code just isn't worth it, it's just better to have the coder do it himself and work himself to death. You people just don't understand just how complex this code is /s

 

[Josh Spicer]

Who could under go such a task? It simply cannot be done. The amount of time it would take someone to learn this code just isn't worth it, it's just better to have the coder do it himself and work himself to death. You people just don't understand just how complex this code is /s

 

[Josh Spicer]

Aight, you convinced me.

They fuckin YanDeved this shit.

 

[Zantei]

*inhale*

IT. WOULDN'T.

Yes I understand that. I'm on your side lol

 

[Ouryuken]

Alright, just to drive this point home.

.........................................................

ARE YOU FEELING THE WEIGHT YET

TO BEAR SUCH AN UNIMAGINABLE BURDEN

FOR ONE MAN TO UNDERSTAND THIS IN A MERE FIVE MON... you get the idea.

I always had the feeling that all the "code is imposible for anyone to take over at this point" was pretty much bullshit

As i said, all this drama about the coder being basically "how sick would Albert Wesker be if he couldnt handle the viruses", the code being imposible, etc is just excuses to cash in free sheckels, but people are adamant to defend them and believe them

 

[Nixi~]

Aight, you convinced me.

They fuckin YanDeved this shit.

Not yet, it's not like they have done even 90% of the shit yandev done on his career of making his unfinishable game. But not gonna lie that code bs is taking a hot 10%.

 

[MrFuckNuts]

Spoiler: This "art update" is the equivalent of elevator music

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Out of curiosity, could any patron tell me what the top voted comment was?

 

[PierrotSol]

Where were you during the fall of MITY?

 

[IdarksoulsI]

Out of curiosity, could any patron tell me what the top voted comment was?

Hard to tell but Kim Possible and Teen Titans Mity seems to like. One Piece, Naruto, Star Wars and Dragon Prince also have multiple votes.

 

[Ratnedalu]

Hard to tell but Kim Possible and Teen Titans Mity seems to like. One Piece, Naruto, Star Wars and Dragon Prince also have multiple votes.

KP and TT have been done to death, tbh. So has Naruto and Star Wars (though most of both Star Wars and KP have been flops.). I actually haven't seen a One Piece trainer, and I know the girls are cute as much as I hate mainstream shounen anime. Theres like 2-3 KP trainers, 5 or so TT games including one just started by MUPLUR, the other successful Korra dude. Around 5 Naruto too, and 5-10 Star Wars games though only Orange Trainer stands out at all. Can't speak for Dragon Prince.

Also, I heard MITY isn't a big shounen guy either, I think I read that he hates Naruto and One Piece. He could do Danny Phantom, because it's apparent by now GZone isn't, lel. I mean, just following the whole Nickelodeon vein for a second-- Fairly OddParents? Enough girls there, though?

Back to anime. Dragon Ball's been overdone. What about Bleach?
I mean, Fate/ originally WAS an eroge, but Fate/ could be fun to do. I'd love to train Saber, and Rin. Proud, Moralistic, overly-rigid knight and Snooty, Arrogant Know-it-all mage. They'd both be fun for a slave route, as it'd be fun to tease Saber and show her that she's a girl, on top of a knight-king, and Rin's airheaded tsun is always cute. Not to mention with side series like Fate/Extra, Fate/Apocrypha, Fate/Grand Order, the girl possibilities are practically endless.

 

[Genji]

Is Book 4 Love route already in the game?

 

[Barkin 10]

KP and TT have been done to death, tbh.

Actually there have been a lot of KP games started but after one or two demos the creators give up. It would be nice to see one completed.