Tell me about it. This whole scene was so beautiful, and I'll think of it if I ever get sad because it'll make me feel better
Err, did you perhaps intend to quote someone else's post? Because this has literally nothing to do with anything i wrote. I never even mentioned the dark path..? (at that point, that is) I was only talking about whether update did anything to change portrayal of Nicki.
Err, you said yourself that the game portrays Guy going from "kind of a loser to a pillar of community". Kind of a loser is still a loser.
Is a large part of it, and this is loser's attitude. "I fell over once when walking, so i'll spend the rest of my life never walking because, imagine it, i could fall over again".
I'm not a smart guy and I don't think I could come up with a good reason for him doing this, but I agree with Moore. It would have felt wrong for him to do it the other way. Sometimes you just have to feel your way through this stuff.
Yes, I said he's kind of a loser but you can fall way more than Guy's did. In any case my point was mere semantic.Err, did you perhaps intend to quote someone else's post? Because this has literally nothing to do with anything i wrote. I never even mentioned the dark path..? (at that point, that is) I was only talking about whether update did anything to change portrayal of Nicki.
Err, you said yourself that the game portrays Guy going from "kind of a loser to a pillar of community". Kind of a loser is still a loser.
Anyway, i've mentioned it before but when i say it, i don't mean the crypto scam specifically. That can happen to anyone. It's the decade which followed that we get a slice of -- apparently spent on little else than feeling worthless, never trying to do anything beyond clinging to a menial job, always keeping your head down, not developing any social contacts beyond ones you're forced to interact with at work, not achieving anything until a miraculous stroke of luck (which was all someone else's doing) delivered insane wealth in one's lap, not even self-reflecting on one's own actions ("i'm gonna ghost my only friend because i fear my new money could change the friendship between us". Yeah, like ghosting her for a month isn't already fundamentally changing the nature of your friendship, you dumbass) ... the list goes on and honestly, calling this package a loser isn't a stretch, but being still pretty kind on him. What you said:
Is a large part of it, and this is loser's attitude. "I fell over once when walking, so i'll spend the rest of my life never walking because, imagine it, i could fall over again".
Funnily, it's Guy's interaction with his newly hired lawyer that was sort of the last straw -- i mean, all things considered you'd kind of expect to have some options/reactions at that point. The "Light Side" Guy would maybe try to question at least a little all that nihilism he's being served; and the Dark Guy might appreciate the cynicism, but if he's supposed to be to be a misogynist incel creep, then perhaps with his new wealth he'd push back on getting so clearly patronized by his new female employee. But no. Regardless of his supposed nature, the only thing Guy can do there is to dutifully nod his little head without even any thought. I doubt it was intended, but it's like an end-bracket on his whole loser arc -- "man, just look at you; you're 10 years older and in all that time you've learnt nothing. You can still only buy wholesale and swallow whatever bullshit you're fed by a charismatic asshole."
Again, i don't think it was intended this way. But the lack of intent didn't change the unfavorable impression it made.
Hmm i was under impression that the things he talks about during Ashe's date were his new experiences during the training montage between Chapters 1 and 2?
Like I said, I haven't played the new chp 1 yet, so my impression is probably off (I'm very confident I will like it, though.) But, basically, he gets duped by crypto scam -> loses all his money -> it crushes his soul for many years, informs his entire perspective on life and himself, aka he loses his mojo -> oh shit, turns out he's fucking lucky and got all his money back plus way, way, way more -> he regains his mojo again and now he feels like the sky is the limit, and it informs the rest of the game going forward.
What about Viola? Don't most people in this thread love Viola? And she's by far the most flawless, innocent character so far... nothing wrong really with that type of character, especially in a VN. In fact, people will bitch and moan left and right if a LI isn't a perfect angel, and apparently people will bitch and moan about the opposite, too. Ay ay ay, devs just can't win
I think Neon is agreeing with Moore, not criticizing him. A lot of writing comes from the heart and the gut and is based on feelings, not the brain and logical reasoning. Obviously, you need a certain amount of the latter to make an engrossing, believable story and characters, and it also depends on what kind of story you're writing, but... I don't think most writers are panicking to make every tiny little thing fit into some perfectly logical overarching system, or a 1:1 with reality, or to even make sense fully; I think that's an endless task that would quickly drain all the fun away from the endeavor, especially if it makes the story/characters less cool or compelling in the end.
I know this isn't really your main point, but no, absolutely nothing about Guy's reaction to the sign suggests that. He's unambiguously bitter about having thrown away all of his savings, why would he not also be mad at the guy who drove him to make that decision?
Guy does not actually undergo any kind of character arc to get over his gullibility at any point in the story, and in fact he doesn't need to. Being especially gullible isn't really a character trait Guy has in the first place. And yes, I realize my last post said "it's not like I'm saying Guy was acting out of character in the intro" but I was lying and he actually was. I was worried that saying Guy was acting out of character would make it sound like I was suggesting that the scene should be removed, tried to preemptively clarify that I don't feel that way, and ended up botching the phrasing really badly.
Viola is Russian (unjustified military invader) and deserves to be raped (I support the brave warriors who defend the sovereign nation of Ukraine).
There are scams that don't rely on pressuring the mark to do something risky. As a less than random example, we know for a fact the MC hired a lawyer; how exactly did he vet her?
Because if the MC didn't buy into the cult and this was just a random drunk-spending-spree that happened to invest in Kobalt, than there's very little reason to be so fixated on Kobalt all those years later. The guy would be merely a symptom, not the root cause.
Sorry, I disagree. When game starts by establishing that the MC fell hard for a boilerplate scam, then spent the next decade utterly and completely unable to take actions for fear of getting conned again, the game has clearly established that the MC starts out as gullible - or at least so clueless as to be incapable of sound decision making. That's not to say he couldn't grow beyond that introduction, but character arc is precisely the tool needed to show the growth.
