SlapE

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I’m not really trying to knock the game. I’ve never played it, and maybe it’s great. But, just at a glance, it’s fairly obvious we’re going for drastically different markets and/or vibes.
Yeah you got that right. On one hand you have a fairly realistic and compelling story with a down to earth MC, great all around cast that consists of many attractive love interest. And of course beautifully shot visuals. On the other hand, you have an unattractive inflated cast (at least to me) and just at first glance, a run-of-the-mill plot that I've seen multiple times before.

You don't need to knock the game, I'll do it for you. :ROFLMAO:

I don't harass devs or go in threads shitting on that threads game. Though I will definitely let my opinions be known elsewhere, I'm sure the dev is a chill person, but that game is definitely targeting a more niche crowd. It's not comparable to FiN.
 

NeonGhosts

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NeonGhosts ill suck yo dick if you let me please Pierce Risa’s other nipple.

If there’s one thing that makes my brain itch more than anything it’s uneven piercings, Just one side being pierced makes me want to burn my eyes out.

I’m 100% the only person who cares though
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Fun Fact: Risa’s single nipple piercing is actually inspired by my friend, who only has one pierced. I thought it was an interesting little detail, so I stole and incorporated it into Risa’s look.

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Dessolos

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Fun Fact: Risa’s single nipple piercing is actually inspired by my friend, who only has one pierced. I thought it was an interesting little detail, so I stole and incorporated it into Risa’s look.

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While I may prefer 2 myself she is still sexy with 1 and makes it even better when it comes from inspiration from someone you know. Thanks for sharing that little bit of detail with us.
 

Dr.Slime

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Hi NeonGhosts I played the update last night and I fucking loved it. Risa just keeps getting more awesome.
This was my favourite render.
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I do have a question though. I didn't see that sex scene with Risa does that mean I won't be able to romance her later?
I wished you waited Joshy , it less than a week, maybe you need to replay the motel scene and house scene well. because saves issues plus the saves won't work from the demo on actual fully chapter
 

Joshy92

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I wished you waited Joshy , it less than a week, maybe you need to replay the motel scene and house scene well. because saves issues plus the saves won't work from the demo on actual fully chapter
I made sure not to save.
 

enzo ferrari

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Knowing that this game is your go-to example of what mine's lacking, really tells me I've done something right.

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Thank you for making my point.
What Will be your totally story masterclass in the risa path. Or in the Ashe path. Or in the Brittani path with the movie director. Or in the gabby path with the asshole ex. Good MC Will save the girls, bad MC Will rape the girls. Optional path MC with evil guys Will rape the girls together!
Truly masterfull job there Hemingway dont fry your brain trying to write this modern AND complex masterpiece
 
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PHIL101-YYouPPHard

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Man, that would've been a cool story.

"Would you like to take my call to action?"

"No."

"Oh, okay."

Then we watch Guy sit on the couch and eat Cheetos while a ring of girls beg to be in his harem.



I'm from the midwest, I know about guns. ;D But, FiN is set in a fictional city that's somewhere between Los Angeles, CA and Chicago, IL -- so, who can say what the gun regulations are there? Bigger cities tend to be more stringent.



Without looking -- who runs the largest charitable organization in your city? Who won the last Mega Millions jackpot? What does the most wanted man in America look like?

If you know any of these, you're way more informed than I am!

Guy's famous to us, because we see him interacting with people who find him interesting. We didn't see that several month gap where Nicki was gone, because he mostly just got to carry on as usual with his life. We're here, at this moment, because it's interesting to see his celebrity begin to catch up with him, because that's interesting. Before that, he was just enjoying his money and charity in peace, without being recognized.

But, even in Chapter 9 there's a new character who sees his name, and her only question if he's related to a guy who owns a local camping supply store. Like he says to Nicki, he's not a celebrity -- he's a regional figure of interest. I live in a city of 130,000 people, and our mayor can often be seen wandering around without bodyguards, and most likely unarmed. It's not crazy to think that someone who isn't like.. Tom Cruise, could get along unbothered. Hell, there's even those viral pictures of Keanu riding the subway without being pestered.





And these two comments really highlight the crux of why Guy is how he is -- because it's more interesting. I fucking hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate invincible AVN protagonists who are always the smartest, toughest, strongest, most skilled human being in existence. The kind who can give women orgasms with a sideways glance, before throwing an effortless roundhouse kick that can fell a grizzly bear.

It means nothing if Guy pulls a gun out and shoots Lucien, other than that I've cut off a story before it happened. Like, why not just have him blast him with heat vision, and reveal Guy's actually an X-Man? Why not reveal that Markus was working for Guy the whole time, because he's just that cool and smart and awesome, and he twists Lucien's head off walking away never to be seen again? They all have the same end result.

This is a genre where your victory means nothing, other than that you can use your mouse wheel to reverse a decision. That's it.

So, if I have to choose between the player going down an interesting road i.e. (Guy vs Lucien, Guy and Lucien team-up, or Guy trying to ignore this new threat) or the player clicking a button that says, "I win!" then I'll go with the former. Because it will, ultimately, be more interesting to see where that goes.

I'm sorry that some people play these games to be the ultimate alpha male, but that's not what I'm doing here.
Fuck, I could bust to this comment :LOL: I have the same pet peeves! And you put all that in better words than I ever could have. Sorry for this little wall, but I just have to vent here..

So I try to put myself in Guy's shoes, like if I were him in RL... and a punch from a kid and a random hobo chasing me with a knife... wouldn't push me into suddenly toting a gun around, I mean come on. I don't know what some of these folks are thinking. Maybe I'd have a gun in my apartment? That's not entirely unreasonable. But, then again, MC lives in a really nice one.. so I probably wouldn't even go that far. House, definitely; apartment condo? Nnnnahhhh. But why TF would I carry it out in public on my person? Even if I kept it in my car, well... I'm not going to be around my car 24/7, now am I? So there will be plenty of opportunities to be vulnerable and caught off guard.

And I'm DEFINITELY not bringing it into a drug den. I don't want to agitate any violent assholes in there, ones that probably have far more experience using a gun than I do, far more experience putting themselves in life and death situations too. I guess I'm just not the macho guy that conquers danger at every turn. :LOL: But Guy should be, according to some of these players? :unsure:

To even begin to entertain a bodyguard, an expensive ass bodyguard that adds complications and makes walking around the city very very awkward, I'd have to be put into a very scary crisis situation that gives me a different perspective on my mortality. Like, the kind where you start to view every situation as a potential vulnerability, a potential way that you could've gotten hurt or died. It takes quite an incident to summon that state of mind, imo. To reiterate: NOT a punch or a fucking homeless guy with a knife. :LOL:

It's either that, or be put under consistent threat/duress from someone, like a dangerous stalker.. someone involved in a gang, perhaps.. that sort of stuff. It seems like Lucien is going to be that guy? So, yeah.. it makes perfect sense that Guy is starting to reevaluate his safety & protection now and only now.

And regarding decisions that Guy makes; people far too quickly disregard the basic emotion of fear and what it does to your decision making... or hell, just being unsure or naively ignorant. People have blindspots and make mistakes, and I'm so glad to see an MC who finally makes them. Has no one ever been seemingly pulled somewhere or towards someone even while all your alarms are going off in your brain? You start to feel scared or uncomfortable, but then you're also in doubt and start to get afraid and uncomfortable at the thought of overreacting or making a scene or something and so you just keep going as if you're a robot that can't fight its faulty programming. Maybe that comes more down to personality, but I've been in those situations way too many times in life.

Like God damn, so many people, even fans, have a fetish for thumbing your eyes about your own story. "Why this" "why that" "why not this" "why not that", isn't that the author's prerogative? Most books or movies or video games or w/e that I try, I put my trust into the authors and just wait and see where they go with it; sit back and relax and just enjoy the journey. I mean, none of these plots people are bitching about have even gotten to the midpoint yet, have they?

Anywho, reading some of these constant complaints or suggestions lately has been like inhaling pepper. I just needed a good, powerful sneeze! :geek:
 

RC-1138 Boss

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It is quite bizarre that after so long some people still believe Friends in Need is some kind of power fantasy and that Guy is a cringe "alpha male". Don't those people remember the whole sequence between Guy, Mason and the crazy hobo with a knife? :ROFLMAO:

Anyway i am out of here, still waiting to play the complete version later this week. :p
 
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shamtiiomi

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fuck it the darness of this game is messing with me,i dont know if i can still play and dont hink too much of it....
 

Ragnar

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Man, that would've been a cool story.

"Would you like to take my call to action?"

"No."

"Oh, okay."

Then we watch Guy sit on the couch and eat Cheetos while a ring of girls beg to be in his harem.



I'm from the midwest, I know about guns. ;D But, FiN is set in a fictional city that's somewhere between Los Angeles, CA and Chicago, IL -- so, who can say what the gun regulations are there? Bigger cities tend to be more stringent.



Without looking -- who runs the largest charitable organization in your city? Who won the last Mega Millions jackpot? What does the most wanted man in America look like?

If you know any of these, you're way more informed than I am!

Guy's famous to us, because we see him interacting with people who find him interesting. We didn't see that several month gap where Nicki was gone, because he mostly just got to carry on as usual with his life. We're here, at this moment, because it's interesting to see his celebrity begin to catch up with him, because that's interesting. Before that, he was just enjoying his money and charity in peace, without being recognized.

But, even in Chapter 9 there's a new character who sees his name, and her only question if he's related to a guy who owns a local camping supply store. Like he says to Nicki, he's not a celebrity -- he's a regional figure of interest. I live in a city of 130,000 people, and our mayor can often be seen wandering around without bodyguards, and most likely unarmed. It's not crazy to think that someone who isn't like.. Tom Cruise, could get along unbothered. Hell, there's even those viral pictures of Keanu riding the subway without being pestered.





And these two comments really highlight the crux of why Guy is how he is -- because it's more interesting. I fucking hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate invincible AVN protagonists who are always the smartest, toughest, strongest, most skilled human being in existence. The kind who can give women orgasms with a sideways glance, before throwing an effortless roundhouse kick that can fell a grizzly bear.

It means nothing if Guy pulls a gun out and shoots Lucien, other than that I've cut off a story before it happened. Like, why not just have him blast him with heat vision, and reveal Guy's actually an X-Man? Why not reveal that Markus was working for Guy the whole time, because he's just that cool and smart and awesome, and he twists Lucien's head off walking away never to be seen again? They all have the same end result.

This is a genre where your victory means nothing, other than that you can use your mouse wheel to reverse a decision. That's it.

So, if I have to choose between the player going down an interesting road i.e. (Guy vs Lucien, Guy and Lucien team-up, or Guy trying to ignore this new threat) or the player clicking a button that says, "I win!" then I'll go with the former. Because it will, ultimately, be more interesting to see where that goes.

I'm sorry that some people play these games to be the ultimate alpha male, but that's not what I'm doing here.
Yeah, I understand that, that's why I started this convo with how writers have to take some liberties to make their stories intresting. Even if I expect Guy to know better in some situations I still prefer him over any of the thousands of 15 years old goblinoids that plague avns (y)
Don't take my criticism or others too seriously because most of us love the game the way it is. It's just the usual bitching and fan theories after any release.
 

Joshy92

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Fuck, I could bust to this comment :LOL: I have the same pet peeves! And you put all that in better words than I ever could have. Sorry for this little wall, but I just have to vent here..

So I try to put myself in Guy's shoes, like if I were him in RL... and a punch from a kid and a random hobo chasing me with a knife... wouldn't push me into suddenly toting a gun around, I mean come on. I don't know what some of these folks are thinking. Maybe I'd have a gun in my apartment? That's not entirely unreasonable. But, then again, MC lives in a really nice one.. so I probably wouldn't even go that far. House, definitely; apartment condo? Nnnnahhhh. But why TF would I carry it out in public on my person? Even if I kept it in my car, well... I'm not going to be around my car 24/7, now am I? So there will be plenty of opportunities to be vulnerable and caught off guard.

And I'm DEFINITELY not bringing it into a drug den. I don't want to agitate any violent assholes in there, ones that probably have far more experience using a gun than I do, far more experience putting themselves in life and death situations too. I guess I'm just not the macho guy that conquers danger at every turn. :LOL: But Guy should be, according to some of these players? :unsure:

To even begin to entertain a bodyguard, an expensive ass bodyguard that adds complications and makes walking around the city very very awkward, I'd have to be put into a very scary crisis situation that gives me a different perspective on my mortality. Like, the kind where you start to view every situation as a potential vulnerability, a potential way that you could've gotten hurt or died. It takes quite an incident to summon that state of mind, imo. To reiterate: NOT a punch or a fucking homeless guy with a knife. :LOL:

It's either that, or be put under consistent threat/duress from someone, like a dangerous stalker.. someone involved in a gang, perhaps.. that sort of stuff. It seems like Lucien is going to be that guy? So, yeah.. it makes perfect sense that Guy is starting to reevaluate his safety & protection now and only now.

And regarding decisions that Guy makes; people far too quickly disregard the basic emotion of fear and what it does to your decision making... or hell, just being unsure or naively ignorant. People have blindspots and make mistakes, and I'm so glad to see an MC who finally makes them. Has no one ever been seemingly pulled somewhere or towards someone even while all your alarms are going off in your brain? You start to feel scared or uncomfortable, but then you're also in doubt and start to get afraid and uncomfortable at the thought of overreacting or making a scene or something and so you just keep going as if you're a robot that can't fight its faulty programming. Maybe that comes more down to personality, but I've been in those situations way too many times in life.

Like God damn, so many people, even fans, have a fetish for thumbing your eyes about your own story. "Why this" "why that" "why not this" "why not that", isn't that the author's prerogative? Most books or movies or video games or w/e that I try, I put my trust into the authors and just wait and see where they go with it; sit back and relax and just enjoy the journey. I mean, none of these plots people are bitching about have even gotten to the midpoint yet, have they?

Anywho, reading some of these constant complaints or suggestions lately has been like inhaling pepper. I just needed a good, powerful sneeze! :geek:
I also pretend I'm the mc when playing these games. That might be why I don't want to rape the girls or stuff like that because I wouldn't do it in real life.
 

Krynh

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If I was Guy I would've kept my mouth shut around the insane drug dealer and his hench bodyguard. It's cruel to the girl, but I don't want to be punched like that.
 

Alberic

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So, I think something pretty interesting is happening in regard to the people angry at Guy's apparent lack of preparedness.

Obviously the relationship between the protagonist and the challenge he faces is pretty important to a story. In general we want the protagonist and the challenge he must face to be on roughly the same level, so the hero can believably triumph in the end against the odds, without trivializing the entire story. That's where plenty of young writers fuck it up, by making their hero overqualified for the challenge, or even (in porn games) taking away any challenge whatsoever. The MC is a hunk, a schemer and a silver-tongued bastard with a huge dick, and their opposition is just some "college" bullies and getting to know girls to fuck them. That's a pretty common pitfall.

Which doesn't mean that you can't have fun with it. Picture our hero searching for a missing person, picking up clues in a creepy environment, something happened here, something bad, and there are a bit too many coincidence piling up... When suddenly our hero comes face to face with a demented serial killer who successfully lured them in their underground compound, noone will hear them scream. Except our "hero" is a honest to God vampire. The kind that's near immune to bullets and has superpowers. And that warps the entire scene, something that would be a nail biter in a Thriller about a mundane detective suddenly becomes comically tragic when the evil demented serial killer traps an undead horror instead of a run-of-the-mill detective. It also works off dramatic irony. We, in this instance the players, know we're playing a vampire and the mundane elements of horror happening still work on us because in real life we're normal humans, so the build-up works, only to be subverted for the punchline, which turns the entire thing into one big farce. It wouldn't work if that was the entire story, but it works great as an early-game scene. By the way, that's from Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodline, and I do heartily recommend that game.

I wanted to mention that scene because it highlights a more subtle point, so far I have basically been speaking in terms of "power levels", the hero must be level 15 to tackle a level 17 challenge if you will, but the VtM:B scene I just described also works because of the likeness between the serial killer and the vampire, the "hero". Both are killers, hunters who prey on the unsuspecting, and while this time the vampire was the bigger fish, there are plenty of fish bigger than him in the setting that could get the jump on him. That's the subtle thing when it comes to hero/challenge relationships, they must echo one another on some level. Going back to FiN for a minute, Guy is (as his name implies) an average guy. He is an everyman, a normal, average, random dude you could find anywhere that just happens to win the lottery, be put in an interesting situation, and the story is seeing how he navigates that. Which is the perfect protagonist when the challenge is having friends in need. On Guy's end his challenge is feeling like a purse, like he only has friends when they need something from him, he does not help friends, he loses friends over cash, and the outward challenge is that at the end of the day, Guy can't actually help anyone. He can bankroll people, but he can't fix anything for them, the onus in on the people he meets to fix their own lives. That naturally forces the story to focus on the girls, which is frankly what we're here for and so all that works great. That's the basis, the entire setup for the game, and it works great. But as it develops, there are two problems that get introduced. One is easy enough, Guy is not one character. What is reasonable for Good Guy may not be for Bad Guy (like being unarmed) as the threats they can expect in their daily lives are not actually the same, so there is some dissonance here besides choosing to good or bad option with a girl.

To illustrate the second problem, let's look at a different everyman character, in a very different story. When it comes to being the protagonist of Hellsing, Seras Victoria works just as well (if not better) as Alucard, the main protagonist. The story picks up when Seras is introduced, the challenges introduced are a challenge (in power level) to her, she is ironically the most human member of the main cast while also being the audience surrogate, and we follow her heartaches at her new condition and being forcefully introduced to the masquerade and the main plot. On the surface, you would think Seras could be bland as milk toast and still work just as well, the entire point of her character is out of her depth she is, and she has her vampiric condition tying her to the story. But Miura specifically avoids divorcing her from the rest of the world by introducing deep set traumas in her from way before being turned into a vampire. Hellsing is, at its core, a story about people who are hurt at their core and lashing out against the world, to work as a character in that universe, to avoid breaking the willing suspension of disbelief, to avoid dissociating a protagonist from its own story, you need that relationship between the plot and the hero, that echo. That buried darkness that turns a side character into a main character.

Back to FiN, I think that what the people pissed off at Guy for being chronically unprepared and laid back, is that he has none of that buried darkness, he has no dangerous spark and the story has evolved to kind of requiring him to have one. The story has slowly picked up in threat level. Guy is introducing a criminal (I forget off the top of my head what he did) in his life by introducing the guy's family into his life. We have a crazed ex-boyfriend on the loose who seems to be in the middle of a psychotic break, there is something deeply wrong about the guy who transformed Nicki into something deeply personal and the guy seems unsettling and rich enough to enter the story with a bang, and now we're introducing some actual, active career criminals into the mix.

This ends up dissociating Guy from the story, to the point that Guy stops looking like an everyman to some people, with some players even expecting a normal random dude to be more prepared than that when getting stuck in the situation Guy finds himself in. Not everyone though, but that's also a thing, real people react to danger in different ways, what's normal and expected for one person is alien to the other (like the whole discussion about getting a gun). When exposed to a dangerous situation, Guy can't be the everyman, he can't be any random dude, he has to be one specific dude and some people will find the main character, their avatar, not reacting the way the player would expect anyone to do (shortsighted as it is) infuriating, and I believe that this is what we're seeing with some players here. As well as players finding the protagonist lacking because the story calls out for an echo of something dangerous inside Guy, to tie him in to the world he is currently wading through, to spark the interest of the players into the darkness and secrets of the Guy they're playing as, who seems drawn to dangerous situations like it echoes something in him. And if there is nothing, if that echo is left unanswered, Guy will end up seeming lacking.

tl;dr If you're introducing some danger in the story, you need to have some danger in Guy's heart beyond Bad Guy being an asshole.
 
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Man, that would've been a cool story.

"Would you like to take my call to action?"

"No."

"Oh, okay."

Then we watch Guy sit on the couch and eat Cheetos while a ring of girls beg to be in his harem.
I didn't intend it as criticism of the game or the writing. It is a video game, I'm going to make choices I wouldn't make in real life because it is not real, and I have a save button. I think doing this is a bad idea, but I'm going to do it anyway because I want to see the content, if I don't like the result I can reload. I just found the idea of Guy packing heat and becoming an action movie star far-fetched.
 
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