VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [Mini-Sode: Blue Valentine] [NeonGhosts]

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

No... Because the actions of a character in a game aren't the same as those of the player IRL. Unless the player is doing the same stuff as evil guy in the real world in which case yes very much they should be in jail.

Are you one of those people who thinks folks learn real spells from D&D?

Wrong. Your actions that you choose in game are your choices. You made the MC become evil. So, that's on you.
Also, I've never played D&D.

 

[TigerWolfe]

Wrong. Your actions that you choose in game are your choices. You made the MC become evil. So, that's on you.
Also, I've never played D&D.

I mean I'm probably not on the fast track to being friends with someone who enjoys playing a serial rapist in a video game... But there's no corelation between fantasy world behavior and real world behavior. Most people realize it's not real, and so act in a manner they wouldn't in the real world.

As to your second point, neither have any of the people who think that.

 

[the_fluff]

When I saw the Nicki removal patch I was expecting her to be pretty awful to deal with, like just terrible. She ain't that bad I have played games with way worse LI's. Is Nicki annoying? Yes. Is she frustrating sometimes with her wishy washy attitude and decisions? Absolutely. But at least it's interesting. Like instead of it being "What the fuck Nicki!!!" it's "What did you do now Nicki."

And it's not like you can't get back at her, you can just use her for sex or make her regret her indecisiveness by making her jealous and sleeping with other girls.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

I mean I'm probably not on the fast track to being friends with someone who enjoys playing a serial rapist in a video game... But there's no corelation between fantasy world behavior abd real world behavior. Most people realize it's not real, and so act in a manner they wouldn't in the real world.

As to your second point, neither have any of the people who think that.

I still believe the choices you make in a game that you immerse yourself into are the results of your own choosing. Most likely some repressed thoughts you have in IRL. Knowing full well that you can't let yourself do these things in society, so, you do them in a game.

But you believe as you wish. A game is a game, play it how you want. Repressed feelings or not.

 

[Joshy92]

I'll be honest when playing games on here.
I like to immerse myself as the mc.

So, I try to make the choices I would choose in real life.
I think thats partly why I hate arsehole mc's who are mean to the women
Or treat them like sex objects
Because women should be treated with kindness & Respect
Some mc's don't realize that tho lol

 

[BillyPlums]

Evil Guy is still played by the player, it's them who causes Guy to be evil. So, if that's what you think, then you're actually saying that any player who plays that route should have those things happen to them.

Didn't say that, didn't suggest that, didn't even think that. Don't put words in my mouth please.

 

[Mipecio]

I'll be honest when playing games on here.
I like to immerse myself as the mc.

So, I try to make the choices I would choose in real life.
I think thats partly why I hate arsehole mc's who are mean to the women
Or treat them like sex objects
Because women should be treated with kindness & Respect
Some mc's don't realize that tho lol

That is how I usually play any game, whether it's a VN or an RPG game.

 

[TigerWolfe]

I still believe the choices you make in a game that you immerse yourself into are the results of your own choosing. Most likely some repressed thoughts you have in IRL. Knowing full well that you can't let yourself do these things in society, so, you do them in a game.

But you believe as you wish. A game is a game, play it how you want. Repressed feelings or not.

Policing thought crime is a dangerous road. Personally I don't play as evil guy, I'm too empathetic and feel genuine distress when fake people in video games have bad things happen to them. If I couldn't do it (morally or ethically speaking) irl I'm not doing it in a game, but not everyone's brain works the same way.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

I'm always exasperated when people say a character is beyond redemption; that misses the whole point of redemption in my eyes. Redemption is, by definition, only possible for people who have done something truly wrong. That's not to say everything will be bygones and the redeemed characters are peachy keen from now on, it just means they've seen the error of their ways and resolved not to do wrong any more. Punishment is still entirely appropriate.

It's particularly hard to believe Jaime is incapable of changing because he's still just a kid. If nothing else, we should at least try to prevent him from getting worse.

I am not against redemption arc but i simply don't see those as deserving of any. Because they don't see anything wrong with all they have done.

Brent didn't stop doing manipulative and abusive things to Nikki, she "escaped" and ended up in a equally bad situation. And now he is bothering Guy likely because of the same reasons.
Jaime was escalating on his blackmail, racism and rape crimes and he only "stopped" when Guy intervened.

 

[ko.os222]

uh oh people are being judgemental about other people playing a porn game differently than them. Gotta do what I usually do, Not ignore their opinion like it dont matter and waste time defending my fetishes online JK i obviously have a brain so not gonna do that.

 

[NeonGhosts]

Had a good day of writing and rendering, so I wanted to do a few just-for-fun renders showing what Mason's up to while MC's busy with Ashe.

6 AM -- Wake up.



7 AM -- Read.




11 AM -- Clean apartment. Find new clothes. Wait for Daddy to come home.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Now letting Mason waiting like that is evil.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Evil Guy is still played by the player, it's them who causes Guy to be evil. So, if that's what you think, then you're actually saying that any player who plays that route should have those things happen to them.

What?

 

[Krynh]

I still believe the choices you make in a game that you immerse yourself into are the results of your own choosing. Most likely some repressed thoughts you have in IRL. Knowing full well that you can't let yourself do these things in society, so, you do them in a game.

I kill thousands of sentients all the time in games like Stellaris, or I pick up a gun and shoot people in ww2. I have no desire to do these things in real life. Nor would I treat people like dark guy does .

 

[ename144]

I still believe the choices you make in a game that you immerse yourself into are the results of your own choosing. Most likely some repressed thoughts you have in IRL. Knowing full well that you can't let yourself do these things in society, so, you do them in a game.

But you believe as you wish. A game is a game, play it how you want. Repressed feelings or not.

So... if I had multiple playthroughs with both a Good MC and a Bad MC, does that mean I have a split personality? Or that I'm caught in a time loop?

It's possible a player's choices in a game could perhaps say something about their mindset if you squint hard enough, but in practice I think the noise would drown out the signal. Sure, a fascination with dark content might stem from dark impulses. But then again it might stem purely from curiosity or a cathartic desire to see such behavior punished in the end. At the end of the day no one is actually getting hurt from our actions in the game so it's not in any way comparable to real life.

Personally I haven't even enabled Taboo content on my saves, but I still think it would be a good thing if the MC faced harsh consequences for his actions on the dark path - especially when he's unrepentant and stupid about it.

I am not against redemption arc but i simply don't see those as deserving of any. Because they don't see anything wrong with all they have done.

Brent didn't stop doing manipulative and abusive things to Nikki, she "escaped" and ended up in a equally bad situation. And now he is bothering Guy likely because of the same reasons.
Jaime was escalating on his blackmail, racism and rape crimes and he only "stopped" when Guy intervened.

But that's my whole point - redemption isn't something you earn by being sympathetic, it's something you achieve if and when you are finally willing to acknowledge the error of your ways. Redemption's not a reward for good behavior. It *IS* the good behavior. You might become more sympathetic after achieving it, but that's effect, not cause.

So sure, Brent and Jaime have shown no sign of regret to this point, but what matters is what they do next. I'd be very surprised if they decide to turn over a new leaf (especially Brent), and unless they do the question is largely moot. But if they DO surprise me, I'm not going to reject them out of hand just because they were so loathsome previously.

 

[Defenestrator.for.traitor]

7 AM -- Read.

He really is a reading enthusiast. He is blind as a bat without his glasses but still reading regardless. Perfect.

 

[allanl9020142]

So... if I had multiple playthroughs with both a Good MC and a Bad MC, does that mean I have a split personality?

Ah, yes ... the duality of man.

Had a good day of writing and rendering, so I wanted to do a few just-for-fun renders showing what Mason's up to while MC's busy with Ashe.

6 AM -- Wake up.

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7 AM -- Read.

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11 AM -- Clean apartment. Find new clothes. Wait for Daddy to come home.

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In these times when the thread is in incoherent chaos, you always come to us and drop those fire renders.

 

[Old Grumpy Wolf]

Didn't say that, didn't suggest that, didn't even think that. Don't put words in my mouth please.

I think you got caught in the crossfire, while I was baiting others. My condolences.

What?

I kill thousands of sentients all the time in games like Stellaris, or I pick up a gun and shoot people in ww2. I have no desire to do these things in real life. Nor would I treat people like dark guy does .

So... if I had multiple playthroughs with both a Good MC and a Bad MC, does that mean I have a split personality? Or that I'm caught in a time loop?

It's possible a player's choices in a game could perhaps say something about their mindset if you squint hard enough, but in practice I think the noise would drown out the signal. Sure, a fascination with dark content might stem from dark impulses. But then again it might stem purely from curiosity or a cathartic desire to see such behavior punished in the end. At the end of the day no one is actually getting hurt from our actions in the game so it's not in any way comparable to real life.

Personally I haven't even enabled Taboo content on my saves, but I still think it would be a good thing if the MC faced harsh consequences for his actions on the dark path - especially when he's unrepentant and stupid about it.

I didn't think I'd catch this many fish while being facetious. It was just a bit of fun. Carry on and play the game the way you guys want. I'm just more like Joshy92. I rarely play the bad guy and sometimes it's just fun to tease the people who do.

 

[Krynh]

But if they DO surprise me, I'm not going to reject them out of hand just because they were so loathsome previously.

I will. Guy doesn't need an apprentice (Jamie) or a rival (Brett)

 

[makavelinow]

Is there are any Gallery Mod for this game ?