VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [S1 v0.85c] [NeonGhosts]

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

I've played around with AI stuff, annnnnd.. Some of it looks fine. I did a bukkake video of Brittani, as kind of a proof of concept. My supporters didn't seem too into it. I think I posted that here, too.. But, there's always this weird, uncanny valley aspect of them, where you can tell you're looking at a video trained on real humans, with a Daz skin over the whole thing.

Plus, I know at least one dev has gotten in trouble with Steam for using AI animations -- reason being that they looked too real/lifelike, and Steam doesn't want real porn on their platform.

in my personal opinion AI is a fun toy to play with but please don't make animations using it

in my opinion random AI animations can't hold a candle to animations made by a human where everything is deliberate and planned

from the movements to the facial expressions to every angle being deliberate and designed to send a message

 

[Dessolos]

in my personal opinion AI is a fun toy to play with but please don't make animations using it

in my opinion random AI animations can't hold a candle to animations made by a human where everything is deliberate and planned

from the movements to the facial expressions to every angle being deliberate and designed to send a message

I think AI animation mostly work fine for non lewd animations , especially because to me non lewd animations adds a level of a detail I like but not worth the effort for dev's. I do agree when it comes to sex animations yeah those are rare to see any good ones.

 

[inSHXD0WS]

in my personal opinion AI is a fun toy to play with but please don't make animations using it

in my opinion random AI animations can't hold a candle to animations made by a human where everything is deliberate and planned

from the movements to the facial expressions to every angle being deliberate and designed to send a message

Nah bro the Unlucid ones actually look like an EXTREMELY fluid blender animation it doesn't distort it like the AI slop ones. You can't even tell that it's AI it's that good, I agree that there is a lot of AI slop out there but this isn't the case with the Unlucid ones.

Regardless though it doesn't matter, he already answered and said he's not interested.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

I think AI animation mostly work fine for non lewd animations , especially because to me non lewd animations adds a level of a detail I like but not worth the effort for dev's. I do agree when it comes to sex animations yeah those are rare to see any good ones.

in my personal opinion anything made with AI instead of a human will always lack heart and soul

I don't care how good it looks

but that's just me and my opinion I could be completely wrong

 

[inSHXD0WS]

I think AI animation mostly work fine for non lewd animations , especially because to me non lewd animations adds a level of a detail I like but not worth the effort for dev's. I do agree when it comes to sex animations yeah those are rare to see any good ones.

The Unlucid ones are actually nuts I seen it in another thread, someone was using them to make fan animations. Honestly though in a few years when the tech gets better it will be crazy, even now the sora stuff is nuts.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Nah bro the Unlucid ones actually look like an EXTREMELY fluid blender animation it doesn't distort it like the AI slop ones. You can't even tell that it's AI it's that good, I agree that there is a lot of AI slop out there but this isn't the case with the Unlucid ones.

Regardless though it doesn't matter, he already answered and said he's not interested.

I know brother I was just giving my two cents on the topic like I said I don't care how good it looks if it doesn't have a

human making it it doesn't have soul

 

[7_lJzWy3XxoEyow7]

I think AI animation mostly work fine for non lewd animations , especially because to me non lewd animations adds a level of a detail I like but not worth the effort for dev's. I do agree when it comes to sex animations yeah those are rare to see any good ones.

Well just didnt see good ones and think they will never be good ...
I recommend HER DESIRE with the latest update ...
Never ever think the world stands still because you can't comprehend evolution

 

[inSHXD0WS]

I know brother I was just giving my two cents on the topic like I said I don't care how good it looks if it doesn't have a

human making it it doesn't have soul

You're entitled to your opinion bro, although I personally think that it's backwards thinking and a bit ignorant. (The actual definition of ignorant, lacking awareness on a topic.) Not saying this in a negative way at all.

It's just a tool, used to automate a process. It doesn't create the art he does. It just animates the motion in which he would be in control of not only the process, but the outcome. The soul and creativity comes from his input, he would be using it to bring his idea to life instead of using blender which would take HOURS to get a worse result.

The world is rapidly changing as technology improves, AI is going to take over most things in general. It's stupid to not use a tool that makes your life infinitely easier and can yield a result far better than human effort in a fraction of the time.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

You're entitled to your opinion bro, although I personally think that it's backwards thinking and a bit ignorant. (The actual definition of ignorant, lacking awareness on a topic.) Not saying this in a negative way at all.

It's just a tool, used to automate a process. It doesn't create the art he does. It just animates the motion in which he would be in control of not only the process, but the outcome. The soul and creativity comes from his input, he would be using it to bring his idea to life instead of using blender which would take HOURS to get a worse result.

The world is rapidly changing as technology improves, AI is going to take over most things in general. It's stupid to not use a tool that makes your life infinitely easier and can yield a result far better than human effort in a fraction of the time.

don't apologize for speaking your opinion brother I love to hear it

to be honest I don't know about every form of ai

I just know about the ones that steal people artwork

 

[Canto Forte]

Thing is, we collectively only have one actual god tier AI dev who makes the whole game look life like, absolute delight to bask your eyes unto the stupendously gorgeous bodies of human anatomy made into perfection.

The world is rapidly changing as technology improves, AI is going to take over most things in general.

This game has all the other scenes be actual DAZ renders, with no true danger of us ever mistaking the DAZ girls we know and love for the AI life like animations. The setttings and the perfect ballance it takes to achieve perfection is a ballancing act and if it matters more to the dev the plot and the character development, random animations of mundane every day stuff becoming a bottle neck in development for so little payoff is just too big the ask right now.

 

[inSHXD0WS]

don't apologize for speaking your opinion brother I love to hear it

to be honest I don't know about every form of ai

I just know about the ones that steal people artwork

Yeah bro it's all good. I am ignorant on a lot of things I just happen to know of this in particular.

It takes a hell of man to admit when they don't know something and to be willing to learn.

 

[Vidal the king of Pervert]

Yeah bro it's all good. I am ignorant on a lot of things I just happen to know of this in particular.

It takes a hell of man to admit when they don't know something and to be willing to learn.

well as you can see I can't read or make comments without software to help me so I don't know 90% of things

but I always try to be honest about the things I don't know but yet be honest about my opinions

and my biases

 

[Dessolos]

Well just didnt see good ones and think they will never be good ...
I recommend HER DESIRE with the latest update ...
Never ever think the world stands still because you can't comprehend evolution

I didn't say good ones don't exist said they are rare there is a difference. Had no idea that game is using AI tho since for me it was a 2 minute update since not on the path that was in the update.

 

[MikesDK]

Not saying you can't dislike her character, or that you have to enjoy every aspect of her writing. I'm just saying from the perspective of someone who is just here for the story, there's nothing totally out there about Nicki's character. So she's a bit of a self-destructive wreck; that's just drama, and it's also a reflection of real-life people out in the world. Seems finicky to me to drop this game because of a little drama from Nicki's corner of it, one of many other characters, or to refuse to even entertain the character's perspective just because they didn't do what you would've done, or what you think they should've done. That kind of insistence on 'clean' characters excludes a lot of great works, and I would argue it would severely limit the story.

Veering off a little here, but I think that if Guy represents the every-man, the screw-up that everyone wants to see succeed, Nicki is the female counterpart of that. Maybe moreso, actually, considering that Guy's the MC and his intro kind of springs him into success going forward for some fantasy realization on the player's part, whereas Nicki's character has more freedom to independently arc since she isn't bound by being the MC in an adult VN.


Hey man, I'm not trying to argue with you further or anything, I respect your view and all that. I just wanna say: keep in mind that the remake majorly changed the 1st chapter and part of the 2nd, and also that Nicki doesn't stay at MC's apartment for very long before she moves out. She's a major character that's not going to go away unless you keep raping her or something, so if you don't like that, obviously the game probably isn't going to be ideal for you.

I think most hated Nicky in first build and not sure how much that will change depends on rebuild and if people can ignore the first build.

I dont care about Nicky in any way and thats one of the issues, the problem is she feels to much like the main girl where others feel mostly like side girls, with Nicky you dont have the same choices as every other girl in the game that you can stright up say no to, Nicky is pushed to hard by living with MC and coming into hes bedroom half nude which i dont want a "friend" to do in any way, just another flaw to add to her personality and another reason to get her out of the apartment so she can fix her life, give her money or a job i dont really care how just want the choice.

I dont share your view about Nicky would severely limit the story, to me it would improve the story since theres plenty of other characters like you said, not that i mind Nicky being in the story just want better choices so i can turn her down and move her out.
Also dont think im a pure Nicky hater, had she not moved away and done the brainless things and ghost Guy which she would have gone on to do for who knows how long if she was allowed to stay with the pervet dude, you might say untill debt is cleared but why not even longer to make enough money to get a place to live and so on, to me she had 0 plans of returning to Guy, but in any case had she not done all that shit i would have taken her as Guys girlfriend any day.

On a side note can you even rape her anymore? i dont think thats an option since that made it a million times more weird that she would ever go back to Guy for help, if thats truely an option so shes out of the story i would take it

 

[Bloke1998]

Yeah, that's the other big thing. A number of people have told me they automatically disable music/sounds for AVNs. And even the people who want music seem to want it as more of an obligatory thing, than out of any feeling it would fundamentally improve the game experience.

100% I disable the music, frankly most times they sound like garbage

 

[Ragnar]

Why would someone chose to listen to some mediocre at best free to use music when you can open Spotify and listen to something you really like?
Bloody plebs.

Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well. I too have Turandot playing while I read porn vns.

 

[ffive]

First you need to learn that other people has diffrent views and see story in diffrent ways then you do, since you can clearly not understand or choose to ignore the fact that i DONT see her as a friend but at best an ex that left and yes taking someone like that back in to live with you is a simp in my eyes, how you define a simp is up to you.

That people have different views on these matters have been my whole point, and hence maybe what you should learn is not to call people simps if they do something that doesn't match your personal understanding. It's a derogatory term so if you start with such premise towards people who choose to play differently than you do, don't be surprised you might get a push back.

Its fine you dont want to call her an ex-girlfriend but they had a sexual relationship, she knew how Guy felt, she was falling in love with him or so she claims and yet she leaves him without a word and never contact him, its not just the hole idiotic thing of her moving in with a perverted stranger she dosent even know, its everything combined, she dosent come running back to Guy untill she find herself in problems with gangsters or whatever wanting her to make porn and after getting kicked out by the stranger, Guy is her very last choice, so im sorry thats not good enough for me to forgive and forget.

The story makes it pretty clear that Nicki wanted to stay away while she was sorting out her problem, so she wouldn't drag Guy into it, so it doesn't really make much sense to complain that she didn't "come back running to Guy" until she actually pulled that off. The traumatic experience at the last stretch made her reach out earlier than she planned, but it's basically nonsense to insist that she was never planning to contact Guy again when the game effectively tells you otherwise. Why do you think the game (through Nicki) takes time to establish in detail why she was unable to contact Guy, if she was supposedly deliberately never going to contact him again?

 

[ffive]

I think AI animation mostly work fine for non lewd animations , especially because to me non lewd animations adds a level of a detail I like but not worth the effort for dev's. I do agree when it comes to sex animations yeah those are rare to see any good ones.

I'd say that AI animations no matter if lewd or not are really far from fine, and that's because the generator has zero understanding of the context it's (supposed to be) working with, so it simply mashes pixels together based on what's happened to be most common in the pulp it was fed with. So effectively you get something that's largely random and if it happens to be tangentially related to the work it's supposed to portray, it's only by happy accident.

 

[Dessolos]

I'd say that AI animations no matter if lewd or not are really far from fine, and that's because the generator has zero understanding of the context it's (supposed to be) working with, so it simply mashes pixels together based on what's happened to be most common in the pulp it was fed with. So effectively you get something that's largely random and if it happens to be tangentially related to the work it's supposed to portray, it's only by happy accident.

well my point was more that ive seen better quality AI animations when it comes to non lewd animations compared to lewd. But yeah you can't just go with the first one you create and call it good , which is why when I see some of these blurry / bad lewd AI animations makes me question if the dev's even bothered to take a 2nd look at their game , when it comes to lewds cause it makes the game feels really weird if they aren't at least decent ones. To me bad dev created animations are so much better than bad AI ones.

 

[ename144]

well my point was more that ive seen better quality AI animations when it comes to non lewd animations compared to lewd. But yeah you can't just go with the first one you create and call it good , which is why when I see some of these blurry / bad lewd AI animations makes me question if the dev's even bothered to take a 2nd look at their game , when it comes to lewds cause it makes the game feels really weird if they aren't at least decent ones. To me bad dev created animations are so much better than bad AI ones.

Presumably that's because there's more chaff to train the bots on for non-lewd animations.

But serious question: what does a non-lewd animation add to an AVN? Sure, every now and then you might have a scene that would benefit from some dynamic motion or needs to show a lot of things happening at once, but that's very rare. Most of the time these animations are thoroughly pointless, the equivalent of zooming in on random pieces of furniture in old 3D movies. The game would be better off without them, even ignoring any time spent creating them.

Even worse, those rare occasions were non-lewd animations might add something tend to be the times when AI is least useful because the specific needs of that specific scene aren't what you get out of a distillate of the most generic actions possible.

I'm not a fan of AI animations if you couldn't tell.