VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [S1 v0.85c] [NeonGhosts]

[ramvivat]

Not yet, and there is at least a possibility it would only be there on some of the darker paths, though that is in no way confirmed.

The game is not fully written, so that content will depend on what semi-believable nonsense Neon can devise. He's a good writer, but the traditional AVN trope of "I was always waiting for YOU, big brother," is a bit....thin, story and character wise.

And this is a game where that stuff matters, both to Neon and to those of us who help foot the bill. I'm kinda hoping it stays only on the corruption paths and darker. The light side path just strains credibility for the universe Guy lives in. But it's Neon's story, and we will see what he comes up with.

The girl with whom we drove Viola home in the rain—she was the one who implanted incestuous thoughts in MC's mind, and she was the one who advised me to give the lewd swimsuit to MC's sister. And we're not on a dark path.

 

[Lightaces]

The girl with whom we drove Viola home in the rain—she was the one who implanted incestuous thoughts in MC's mind, and she was the one who advised me to give the lewd swimsuit to MC's sister. And we're not on a dark path.

Yeah, it just doesn't make sense in this game that his probably full on lesbian sister is going to decide to switch teams to fuck her brother. It isn't that kind of game. It would strain credibility, and the fact Ashe wants to role play something kinky doesn't mean the real thing is going to happen.

Now, on darker paths....THAT is a different story. Because, be real, a brother and sister fucking IS an inherently corrupt thing. There is no legit reason for it. It will, by definition, be a corruption path. At the very least, a light gray. And on the DARK dark path, Guy is heading for a disaster, and raping his sister is bound to be his final downfall. As well it should be. I'm looking forward to that one, myself. And to his facing the consequences for all his misdeeds.

 

[DatGuy20]

Yeah, it just doesn't make sense in this game that his probably full on lesbian sister is going to decide to switch teams to fuck her brother. It isn't that kind of game. It would strain credibility, and the fact Ashe wants to role play something kinky doesn't mean the real thing is going to happen.

Now, on darker paths....THAT is a different story. Because, be real, a brother and sister fucking IS an inherently corrupt thing. There is no legit reason for it. It will, by definition, be a corruption path. At the very least, a light gray. And on the DARK dark path, Guy is heading for a disaster, and raping his sister is bound to be his final downfall. As well it should be. I'm looking forward to that one, myself. And to his facing the consequences for all his misdeeds.

We are never told she's a full on lesbian and there's no character that only has a dark path either. There's about 4? sexual paths for every character. Making Cassie the only one with less would be weird. Especially when she has been so talked about through the story.

 

[Lightaces]

We are never told she's a full on lesbian and there's no character that only has a dark path either. There's about 4? sexual paths for every character. Making Cassie the only one with less would be weird. Especially when she has been so talked about through the story.

We don't KNOW she's a Gold Star lesbian, but when the first chapter of Season 2 comes out, you will see why I think it's likely. Even if she is bi, honestly, the idea of Cassie in ANY kind of a "romantic" light side relationship, much less with her brother, would be out of character for her.

But Cassie isn't a "love interest." She's Guy's sister. It's not the same thing at all. In the real world, incest is a corrupt thing, and this game may bow to porn logic in places, but it does take place in a more grounded world than any of the family harem games.

But hey, tell me this; what is the completely non-corrupt, romantic love scenario you would write for a brother and sister fucking which wouldn't break the tone OF THIS GAME?

Because as a fairly long term supporter of this game, I can't think of one way which wouldn't feel out of place. And most of this game's paying subscribers are doing so, as much as anything, for the writing. The art started out, well, kinda bad, but that's been replaced with the new Chapter one, and it has improved to very good, but not enough to play the game just for that. There's no music, and basically no animations. The real availability of choice is there, and that's great, but in and of itself, who cares? Even the pretty extreme dark path routes are only worth playing because they are well written.

The thing that sets this game apart is the writing, and there is no reasonable way to include a romantic incest relationship which wouldn't break the whole thing. I don't want that. Neon's subscribers, for the most part, don't want that. We DON'T just play this game to jerk off. There are plenty of those games out there, and if that's what you want, have at it, but that's not, and never has been, THIS game.

But hey, maybe Neon will come up with something. That would be fine, but if it doesn't feel as well written as the rest of the game, he shouldn't shoehorn it in.

 

[Joshy92]

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She'll be Mrs. Joshy soon enough.

 

[Jplays512]

I am always a bit confused when people say it doesn’t feel like Cassie could be romanced by Good Guy. There have already been at least one if not more flashbacks where it shows the two of them were close and I feel like Guy stated before he left she was a “good girl” but after he left she became a rebel.

To me that seems like an easy set up for little sister who had a crush on her big brother but felt abandoned after he left. It wouldn’t be that large of a leap of doing the troupe she is bisexual but is only going for women because she compares the guys to her brother. If you think good Guy would never date his sister just have her be the only going for him and see how she would seduce him. Then you as the player could decide if you want to go for that path. Neon could also use if you selected the more “interested in sister” choices to make it so the seduction is harder to resist. (Of course this is a huge troupe but it could fit.)

It could also kinda work with Dark Guy you just need to change it a bit and show instead of it being loving (like he imagined it being) have him corrupting her when she was young.

I mean it isn’t perfect but it would fit the story better than a number of the landlady/ roommate stories.

 

[armond]

I am always a bit confused when people say it doesn’t feel like Cassie could be romanced by Good Guy. There have already been at least one if not more flashbacks where it shows the two of them were close and I feel like Guy stated before he left she was a “good girl” but after he left she became a rebel.

To me that seems like an easy set up for little sister who had a crush on her big brother but felt abandoned after he left. It wouldn’t be that large of a leap of doing the troupe she is bisexual but is only going for women because she compares the guys to her brother. If you think good Guy would never date his sister just have her be the only going for him and see how she would seduce him. Then you as the player could decide if you want to go for that path. Neon could also use if you selected the more “interested in sister” choices to make it so the seduction is harder to resist. (Of course this is a huge troupe but it could fit.)

It could also kinda work with Dark Guy you just need to change it a bit and show instead of it being loving (like he imagined it being) have him corrupting her when she was young.

I mean it isn’t perfect but it would fit the story better than a number of the landlady/ roommate stories.

To bad we'll never find out, we leave that to future generations

 

[Lightaces]

I am always a bit confused when people say it doesn’t feel like Cassie could be romanced by Good Guy. There have already been at least one if not more flashbacks where it shows the two of them were close and I feel like Guy stated before he left she was a “good girl” but after he left she became a rebel.

To me that seems like an easy set up for little sister who had a crush on her big brother but felt abandoned after he left. It wouldn’t be that large of a leap of doing the troupe she is bisexual but is only going for women because she compares the guys to her brother. If you think good Guy would never date his sister just have her be the only going for him and see how she would seduce him. Then you as the player could decide if you want to go for that path. Neon could also use if you selected the more “interested in sister” choices to make it so the seduction is harder to resist. (Of course this is a huge troupe but it could fit.)

It could also kinda work with Dark Guy you just need to change it a bit and show instead of it being loving (like he imagined it being) have him corrupting her when she was young.

I mean it isn’t perfect but it would fit the story better than a number of the landlady/ roommate stories.

But any of those, because it's incest, is already inherently corrupt. I did suggest on Discord the other day having Cassie be the one corrupting a good Guy. It's the only way for it to happen to a good Guy, but it still is on a gray path.

And, of course, any of the corruption paths, especially the DARK dark path, it makes perfect sense. Your idea of Guy having euphoric memories of Cassie's youth is great though! Maybe that's why their mom kicked him out, and in his head he is doing the whole Humbert Humbert unreliable narrator thing. I doubt it will happen though, as Neon quite rightly wants to avoid any underage content, even the suggestion of it.

 

[Jplays512]

But any of those, because it's incest, is already inherently corrupt. I did suggest on Discord the other day having Cassie be the one corrupting a good Guy. It's the only way for it to happen to a good Guy, but it still is on a gray path.

And, of course, any of the corruption paths, especially the DARK dark path, it makes perfect sense. Your idea of Guy having euphoric memories of Cassie's youth is great though! Maybe that's why their mom kicked him out, and in his head he is doing the whole Humbert Humbert unreliable narrator thing. I doubt it will happen though, as Neon quite rightly wants to avoid any underage content, even the suggestion of it.

I am not the biggest fan of incest so it doesn’t bother me not having it but I know a lot of people do like it. Honestly even for good Guy most of the romances in the game have some level of corruption. Either from the age difference or the power imbalance of them working for him/ taking his money.

I just saw so many people acting like it is impossible story wise for it to be done and that confused me.

When it comes to payment things it honestly isn’t worth it to include incest but you could also argue the same for most dark Guy story stuff.

 

[Ragnar]

I am always a bit confused when people say it doesn’t feel like Cassie could be romanced by Good Guy. There have already been at least one if not more flashbacks where it shows the two of them were close and I feel like Guy stated before he left she was a “good girl” but after he left she became a rebel.

To me that seems like an easy set up for little sister who had a crush on her big brother but felt abandoned after he left. It wouldn’t be that large of a leap of doing the troupe she is bisexual but is only going for women because she compares the guys to her brother. If you think good Guy would never date his sister just have her be the only going for him and see how she would seduce him. Then you as the player could decide if you want to go for that path. Neon could also use if you selected the more “interested in sister” choices to make it so the seduction is harder to resist. (Of course this is a huge troupe but it could fit.)

It could also kinda work with Dark Guy you just need to change it a bit and show instead of it being loving (like he imagined it being) have him corrupting her when she was young.

I mean it isn’t perfect but it would fit the story better than a number of the landlady/ roommate stories.

I think Neon said she will fuck other girls or something, no incest here.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

Not yet, and there is at least a possibility it would only be there on some of the darker paths, though that is in no way confirmed.

The game is not fully written, so that content will depend on what semi-believable nonsense Neon can devise. He's a good writer, but the traditional AVN trope of "I was always waiting for YOU, big brother," is a bit....thin, story and character wise.

And this is a game where that stuff matters, both to Neon and to those of us who help foot the bill. I'm kinda hoping it stays only on the corruption paths and darker. The light side path just strains credibility for the universe Guy lives in. But it's Neon's story, and we will see what he comes up with.

Yeah, I agree with you. Not to get dark, but most incest, I think we all know it's usually not consensual both directions. Obviously, this is a porn VN, so there is more leeway, even if the goal is ~realism. I mean, there are some women out there who genuinely want incest, but it's probably really, really rare. From a story perspective, you could of course just have Cassie be that rare person, just like Guy is that rare person who does everything he does in the VN, or the other LIs are their own version of unique. Still, maybe it would feel too convenient or odd even for this game?

I honestly think it's all about the pacing and the depth of the character writing that makes or breaks it. Because yeah, the usual tropes don't really cut it for this kind of game. And if it happens way too fast without enough build-up, that also isn't satisfying and really takes you out of it.

But more than that, I have no idea what the psychology would even look like there? Abusive past? Drug abuse? Mental illness? Personality disorder? Escalating nymphomania? Early incest content exposure (like porn or discussion boards or some shit)? Just average girl with the wrong genes or something? All of the above? I know it's just a game, but I do think it makes a huge difference to have some kind of understanding of what the person you want to write looks like in the real world, instead of purely relying on fantasy. Even if a player has never come across that person before in rl, I feel like they can kind of tell if that character could exist out there or not.

I think Neon said she will fuck other girls or something, no incest here.

The only thing he's said he's unsure about is a romance route with her. But the other routes, especially the dark route, make sense.

 

[ffive]

But any of those, because it's incest, is already inherently corrupt.

So is sex before marriage if you listen to some people. Or gay sex for this matter, i.e. what Cassie supposedly already engages in. Doesn't mean jack shit for those who simply want to bang and don't give two figs what people say.

 

[Lightaces]

So is sex before marriage if you listen to some people. Or gay sex for this matter, i.e. what Cassie supposedly already engages in. Doesn't mean jack shit for those who simply want to bang and don't give two figs what people say.

False equivalency much? There is a WORLD of difference between pre-marital sex or gay sex - which MOST people would consider fine, at this point - and incest, which is now, and in almost every culture in history, has always been frowned upon. Even in Ptolemaic Egypt, Rome, or the Hapsburg's empire, people thought it was weird when the rulers kept marrying their cousins, uncles, and sisters. Not even kinda the same thing.

 

[sexyasshamster]

False equivalency much? There is a WORLD of difference between pre-marital sex or gay sex - which MOST people would consider fine, at this point - and incest, which is now, and in almost every culture in history, has always been frowned upon. Even in Ptolemaic Egypt, Rome, or the Hapsburg's empire, people thought it was weird when the rulers kept marrying their cousins, uncles, and sisters. Not even kinda the same thing.

MOST people fine with gay sex is a wild take i think we are barely at a quarter of the world accepting it

 

[ffive]

False equivalency much? There is a WORLD of difference between pre-marital sex or gay sex - which MOST people would consider fine, at this point

"Most people would consider it fine"? In what world, exactly? Even around here on this forums you will find quite a few people who make it their life mission to complain about gay and/or lesbian sex at every opportunity, and in the real world you have vast groups of conservatives whose attitude towards it ranges from "never talk about it, it's disgusting abomination of natural order" to "all those perverts should just get killed". That includes countries which pride themselves for being "open-minded and liberal".

- and incest, which is now, and in almost every culture in history, has always been frowned upon. Even in Ptolemaic Egypt, Rome, or the Hapsburg's empire, people thought it was weird when the rulers kept marrying their cousins, uncles, and sisters. Not even kinda the same thing.

Again, you have plenty people in this modern world who have this exact attitude towards gay sex and it dates back all to the goddamn bible. (the "sin of Sodom" that gets the city wiped off the world was quite literally widespread homosexuality) Incest can be problematic if you're having offsprings, but if you don't then this problem doesn't exist. And all talk about "inherent corruption" is simply parroting dominant stance of self-proclaimed moral authorities.

 

[Hephannon]

"Most people would consider it fine"? In what world, exactly? Even around here on this forums you will find quite a few people who make it their life mission to complain about gay and/or lesbian sex at every opportunity, and in the real world you have vast groups of conservatives whose attitude towards it ranges from "never talk about it, it's disgusting abomination of natural order" to "all those perverts should just get killed". That includes countries which pride themselves for being "open-minded and liberal".


Again, you have plenty people in this modern world who have this exact attitude towards gay sex and it dates back all to the goddamn bible. Incest can be problematic if you're having offsprings, but if you don't then this problem doesn't exist. And all talk about "inherent corruption" is simply parroting dominant stance of self-proclaimed moral authorities.

That's not the point
Here you have maybe 95% men of which 90%+ straight, so gay content will piss off most people just because they aren't interested, that's all
They wanna screw women, and fantasy incest isn't the same as real incest

 

[Joshy92]

We all saw that date with Ashe and the role-play. Guy has some issues to work out with Cassie, that's for sure. And I think he lusts after her.

 

[Meabe37]

We all saw that date with Ashe and the role-play. Guy has some issues to work out with Cassie, that's for sure. And I think he lusts after her.

Not just that, those kind of things also tease the players themself about the sister. It would be really mean from the dev to do that then not delivering. There is no way the devs is that clueless... with incest being one of the most request kink in the avn landscape and all.

 

[ffive]

That's not the point
Here you have maybe 95% men of which 90%+ straight, so gay content will piss off most people just because they aren't interested, that's all

I was referring to people who specifically complain how it's (morally) wrong, not that they aren't personally interested. If you want to say that those who complain about "moral wrongness" are just making a false argument when in reality it stems from their personal lack of interest, then if anything it'd make the analogy closer, because it'd be basically the same as complaints about "inherent corruption" of incest from people who don't find it appealing personally.

 

[Joshy92]

Did you guys know I like the game? I don't just play it because I get wicked FOMO or because I already started it, but I enjoy reading it and look forward to what happens next.

I can't say that for many games.