VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [S1 v0.85c] [NeonGhosts]

[Joshy92]

In some routes, but not all. Only if the player decides to do so.

But hey, tell us your pitch! I just don't see how it would be done.

They've been separated for a long time so maybe they could form an attraction based around that?

Also Guy being the only nice dude to Cassie could trigger something in her. They aren't exactly the two most 'normal' people in the world.

 

[Lightaces]

They've been separated for a long time so maybe they could form an attraction based around that?

Also Guy being the only nice dude to Cassie could trigger something in her. They aren't exactly the two most 'normal' people in the world.

Not sure those feel right to me, but better than most. And thanks for actually answering the challenge, instead of dodging the question.

But in either of those, they are going to have to get over the brother-sister hump (pun intended). Also, given the character Cassie has been showing, it wouldn't really feel right to me, though that could all be bravado.

 

[Joshy92]

Not sure those feel right to me, but better than most. And thanks for actually answering the challenge, instead of dodging the question.

But in either of those, they are going to have to get over the brother-sister hump (pun intended). Also, given the character Cassie has been showing, it wouldn't really feel right to me, though that could all be bravado.

Getting over the hump would be the challenge for NG to write and the most fun part to read for the Cassie fans I think.

 

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

They've been separated for a long time so maybe they could form an attraction based around that?

Also Guy being the only nice dude to Cassie could trigger something in her. They aren't exactly the two most 'normal' people in the world.

How old is Guy supposed to be again? Somewhere in the ballpark of 35-40? And Cassie's supposed to be 19-20? So, somewhere around 15 years apart? I guess that it's possible that Cassie might not develop the biological ick for her brother, but Guy has memories of taking care of her when she was young, so I don't think that's the case. And even if she didn't develop that, there'd still be a social ick for sure I think. It's one thing to miss your sibling after not seeing them for a long time; whole other thing to lust after them.

Feelings of isolation, true, that can maybe be a trigger to play with in a VN. But, Cassie to me seems well-adjusted; she has a friend, she goes out and parties; she's confident and openly flirts with other women; doesn't come off as someone who's isolated, or who's had nothing but bad experiences with men (the latter which I don't think would justify an incest relationship; she'd just abstain from men I think lol). I feel like it'd maybe have to be some pretty extreme isolation and rejection to drive someone into considering their own family member. Hmmm, I don't know, though, it's tough to think about.

Getting over the hump would be the challenge for NG to write and the most fun part to read for the Cassie fans I think.

Hell yeah. I'm really hoping he comes up with something for the romance route, it'd be a shame not to have it, and I'd love to see his approach to it!

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

Not out for public consumption yet, but should be coming in the next couple months.

Huh... well that's unfortunate to hear. It's been a little bit so I was hoping I would return to some good news.

But I suppose not.... ah well.

.....one of these days.

 

[Joshy92]

I don't really care about all the moral stuff that has been mentioned. If Cassie was open to it that's all that matters.

I mean I've even been told before that I wouldn't be a suitable partner for Mason or Britt.

 

[Lightaces]

Huh... well that's unfortunate to hear. It's been a little bit so I was hoping I would return to some good news.

But I suppose not.... ah well.
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.....one of these days.

Well, if it helps, when it comes out, it is going to be the really BIG scene. And depending on your route, she is....very motivated.

 

[Lightaces]

I don't really care about all the moral stuff that has been mentioned. If Cassie was open to it that's all that matters.

I mean I've even been told before that I wouldn't be a suitable partner for Mason or Britt.

But would you really want Neon to compromise the characters or story to do it?

That said, there is a possibility that, after the game is done, there might be some absurd DLC which would include some stuff which makes no sense in game.

 

[Joshy92]

But would you really want Neon to compromise the characters or story to do it?

That said, there is a possibility that, after the game is done, there might be some absurd DLC which would include some stuff which makes no sense in game.

I'm meaning if he doesn't want to do it okay but I'll be dammed if I let the moral police tell me what is right or wrong.

I'd rather the dark stuff be removed entirely but I don't go around telling people it's wrong.

 

[ffive]

According to Gallup, about 70% of Americans support legal gay marriage

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are actually quite a bit more complicated (and also interesting). The exact same question, "Do you think marriages between same-sex couples should or should not be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages?" received 70% support... but only when it was preceded by some other questions on legality of gay/lesbian rights and relations. When people were asked this question without any "priming the ground" so to speak, the number who stated their support apparently dropped to 40% with 56% stating to be against it. Which mostly shows how little trust you can really put in statistical data on controversial issues, if even the order of questions can so drastically change the outcome.

Regarding moral evaluation -- you still have over 30% people who'll openly claim that homosexuality is morally wrong, and if asked about gender transition, it's over 50% who believe this is immoral.

Now take into account this is in the country which considers itself to be the blazing trailblazer of lgbt rights in the world. How do you think these numbers shape in the parts of the world which don't make such claims and instead promote "traditional family values" and/or "traditional masculinity of real men, not like those west european weak-wristed fops"?

You put together Europeans and Americans (as in, the U.S. & Canada, not the actual continents) and you get ~1 billion people in total. Out of over 8 billions worldwide. That's not even 15%.

You quite simply will not find those kinds of numbers for incest.

Of course you won't find them; it's not like Gallup does any actual polls on that in the first place, when incest is thrown together with the sexual assault and rape as basically one and the same. Surprisingly you won't find polls on whether people find these legally and morally acceptable, either.

But even if you did find some numbers, it's an open question just how much people are simply influenced by what they are told, on what's acceptable and what's not, as opposed to their own sense of right and wrong. Because, if we circle back to that Gallup support of homosexuality in the US for a moment, there's another interesting aspect of it -- that support, it's a very new development:



Yep, you see it right. It was just 30 years ago when those numbers were completely reversed. Funny how flexible our sense of what's supposedly morally right or wrong can be, isn't it? It can apparently flip in just 1-2 generations.

(you'll observe the same trend for other questions regarding acceptability/legality of homosexual relationships, etc)

 

[9ssmith9]

The classic move here would be to establish that Cassie and Guy aren't biologically related, like having one of them be adopted or something, so there's still a bit of the naughty tension caused by them being raised as siblings without the actual fact of them being genetically related. That's a bit cliche, though, so Neon probably isn't going to go that way. Although he has used cliches in his writing before. They're not necessarily bad, they just need to be handled carefully so there's something interesting about them.

We don't know a lot about Cassie at this point at all, so she can have whatever kind of personality as long as it stretches to fit things that have already shown up in the story. There are certainly people in this world who would be okay fucking their brothers voluntarily. It's something that has really happened! It's definitely not normal, but we already have a pretty clear collection of abnormal characters in here, at least some of which is because people who fall outside the mainstream are more likely to get into the kind of trouble that a super rich guy can solve for them.

 

[Joshy92]

Whatever happens, I hope we get more sex scenes with the LI wearing shoes and stuff like that.

 

[Jplays512]

How old is Guy supposed to be again? Somewhere in the ballpark of 35-40? And Cassie's supposed to be 19-20? So, somewhere around 15 years apart? I guess that it's possible that Cassie might not develop the biological ick for her brother, but Guy has memories of taking care of her when she was young, so I don't think that's the case. And even if she didn't develop that, there'd still be a social ick for sure I think. It's one thing to miss your sibling after not seeing them for a long time; whole other thing to lust after them.

I could be fever dreaming but I believe guy is early 30’s. He bought the crypto while in college so early 20’s and then about 10 years passed before it jumped up in price. It would also make sense then why he as a late teenage person would be helping his sister tie her shoes. He was probably mid late teens and she was a few years old. I think he is about 12 or so years older than her.

 

[Gormius]

The classic move here would be to establish that Cassie and Guy aren't biologically related, like having one of them be adopted or something, so there's still a bit of the naughty tension caused by them being raised as siblings without the actual fact of them being genetically related. That's a bit cliche, though, so Neon probably isn't going to go that way. Although he has used cliches in his writing before. They're not necessarily bad, they just need to be handled carefully so there's something interesting about them.

We don't know a lot about Cassie at this point at all, so she can have whatever kind of personality as long as it stretches to fit things that have already shown up in the story. There are certainly people in this world who would be okay fucking their brothers voluntarily. It's something that has really happened! It's definitely not normal, but we already have a pretty clear collection of abnormal characters in here, at least some of which is because people who fall outside the mainstream are more likely to get into the kind of trouble that a super rich guy can solve for them.

Na what, the step siblings stuff is way too overused. And authors only do it because they are too much of a pussy to actually make them blood related. It's just a cop out way of trying to add that "oh no we are siblings, but we aren't" kind of thing. The most interesting part about a taboo relationship isn't the taboo itself, but people's reactions to it, the feelings of disgust they feel and trying to hide that from people. It's that game of cat and mouse that makes it ideal, and frankly a non blood related relationship ain't taboo.

 

[GeneralJo]

Just updated this for the first time in awhile - do old saves no longer work...?

I previously had 0.7.2 of the SubscribeStar version. Just updated to 0.85 and loading my save gives me an error and the game crashes?

 

[Maviarab]

You quite simply will not find those kinds of numbers for incest.

I wonder why? Personally, I've never once, ever, been asked if I support an illegal activity...

Seriously?

 

[ffive]

Just updated this for the first time in awhile - do old saves no longer work...?

The author has reworked early chapters of the game and made some adjustments to the later parts, plus it currently ends a bit earlier than the original iteration did. tl;dr you'll need to start a new play through.

 

[horofan]

I wonder why? Personally, I've never once, ever, been asked if I support an illegal activity...

Seriously?

There are many countries where it is legal -

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[Maviarab]

There are many countries where it is legal -

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Once again, legal with restrictions and dependant on situation.

 

[Lightaces]

The classic move here would be to establish that Cassie and Guy aren't biologically related, like having one of them be adopted or something, so there's still a bit of the naughty tension caused by them being raised as siblings without the actual fact of them being genetically related. That's a bit cliche, though, so Neon probably isn't going to go that way. Although he has used cliches in his writing before. They're not necessarily bad, they just need to be handled carefully so there's something interesting about them.

We don't know a lot about Cassie at this point at all, so she can have whatever kind of personality as long as it stretches to fit things that have already shown up in the story. There are certainly people in this world who would be okay fucking their brothers voluntarily. It's something that has really happened! It's definitely not normal, but we already have a pretty clear collection of abnormal characters in here, at least some of which is because people who fall outside the mainstream are more likely to get into the kind of trouble that a super rich guy can solve for them.

In the season 2 previews, we have learned a LOT about Cassie. I won't spoil it, but yeah, the idea of her being OK with fucking her brother stretches plausibility. I mean, she has the disregard for convention, but just doesn't seem to swing that way AT ALL.