VN Ren'Py Friends in Need [S1 v0.85c] [NeonGhosts]

[PHIL101-YYouPPHard]

What? No. There's no such thing as being born with strong moral values (or with some cartoon concept of "dark personality") because then we wouldn't be spending literal thousands of years debating what is moral, to the point of literally fighting and killing over the arguments which particular religion got it "right". How do you reconcile this idea with the fact that mere century or two back it was perfectly reasonable for "most people" to sexually abuse and murder people which were considered inferior species and only good as a property of those "above" them?

Moral values are taught, and as such they are not permanent in people. People change views and morals, either due to experiences or because they're taught something that resonates with them more.


Because it's absurd that doesn't stand in the face of reality.


So, let's see. Guy with newfound wealth and feeling of power makes sense to you if he immediately abuses the first girl he comes across. But it's somewhat totally inconsistent and implausible if he only finds this courage to perform such actions towards second (or third) girl he meets, because he's chickened out with the first one (or two)? Somehow, if you aren't confident right from the get-go, it is unbelievable that you'd find this courage a little bit later?

Guy who doesn't start raping as soon as he thinks he can doesn't need to be "normal". He can be just cautious. Or a bit of a coward. None of this is implausible, and what you're doing is a mistake of presuming his base personality ("normal" vs "always had it in him") based on just 1-2 actions.

EDIT: ok, I think I'm finally going to make a strong mental note for the future: don't get into arguments with the guy who had to have the weirdness of incest explained to him.

 

[TigerWolfe]

EDIT: ok, I think I'm finally going to make a strong mental note for the future: don't get into arguments with the guy who had to have the weirdness of incest explained to him.

generally it's probably in your best interest to just not get into arguments with folks here

 

[LeoAAM]

Again, drugging is not manipulation, it is rape. Period. It is an absolute violation of a person's ability to consent, and is no different from the violence Guy used on Ashe in the alleyway. There is nothing remotely gray path about a roofie.

I swear, some of y'all got a deranged sense of reality.

Drugging isn't rape, it's a form of abuse, but not necessarily rape. A valid distinction should be made between the preparatory act and the sexual act itself. Administering a substance without consent is a separate crime, typically an offense against physical integrity, coercion, or administration of a harmful substance. While rape, is rape! The crime of rape is not the act of drugging, but the sexual act performed when the victim is unable to consent. Since you can drug someone and not abuse that person, sexually. If you rape and drug someone, you commit more than one crime separately, even if one served as a pretext for the other to be committed. In contemporary English, rape is the SEXUAL act without consent, period. You're wrong, sorry to disappoint you.

 

[armond]

Drugging isn't rape, it's a form of abuse, but not necessarily rape. A valid distinction should be made between the preparatory act and the sexual act itself. Administering a substance without consent is a separate crime, typically an offense against physical integrity, coercion, or administration of a harmful substance. While rape, is rape! The crime of rape is not the act of drugging, but the sexual act performed when the victim is unable to consent. Since you can drug someone and not abuse that person, sexually. If you rape and drug someone, you commit more than one crime separately, even if one served as a pretext for the other to be committed. In contemporary English, rape is the SEXUAL act without consent, period. You're wrong, sorry to disappoint you.

Ah, I see we've circled back around to the semantics of rape, I'll check back in 6 weeks and see the same conversation with the same arguments repackaged as if they weren't embarrassing enough the first few times

 

[Ayhsel]

Drugging isn't rape, it's a form of abuse, but not necessarily rape. A valid distinction should be made between the preparatory act and the sexual act itself. Administering a substance without consent is a separate crime, typically an offense against physical integrity, coercion, or administration of a harmful substance. While rape, is rape! The crime of rape is not the act of drugging, but the sexual act performed when the victim is unable to consent. Since you can drug someone and not abuse that person, sexually. If you rape and drug someone, you commit more than one crime separately, even if one served as a pretext for the other to be committed. In contemporary English, rape is the SEXUAL act without consent, period. You're wrong, sorry to disappoint you.

Technically correct... although mostly irrelevant?

 

[The Anti]

dark path evil raping is pretty cool.

 

[LeoAAM]

Technically correct... although mostly irrelevant?

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Sure, say that to a judge xD I shot you in the leg, you shot me in the chest, one’s attempted murder, the other’s just assault. Seems irrelevant… until you see the sentence.

 

[LeoAAM]

Ah, I see we've circled back around to the semantics of rape, I'll check back in 6 weeks and see the same conversation with the same arguments repackaged as if they weren't embarrassing enough the first few times

Good for you, today I'm gonna explode myself, not literally, just figuratively, but you know, semantics, it's all the same shit, isn't it? xDDDDDDD

 

[Ayhsel]

Sure, legal termination and semantics are irrelevant xD

I'm talking about the present context, here.

Point is, drugging someone against their will IS NOT RAPE. For example, you can be doing that to save their lives.

But in the context of this novel, it is pretty much rape.

 

[Lightaces]

Drugging isn't rape, it's a form of abuse, but not necessarily rape. A valid distinction should be made between the preparatory act and the sexual act itself. Administering a substance without consent is a separate crime, typically an offense against physical integrity, coercion, or administration of a harmful substance. While rape, is rape! The crime of rape is not the act of drugging, but the sexual act performed when the victim is unable to consent. Since you can drug someone and not abuse that person, sexually. If you rape and drug someone, you commit more than one crime separately, even if one served as a pretext for the other to be committed. In contemporary English, rape is the SEXUAL act without consent, period. You're wrong, sorry to disappoint you.

You sound like one of those people arguing it's not PDF because she's not per-pubescent. Technically, maybe, but it makes you sound like a creep to make the distinction.

 

[LeoAAM]

You sound like one of those people arguing it's not PDF because she's not per-pubescent. Technically, maybe, but it makes you sound like a creep to make the distinction.

Good ad hominem, apparently being serious about legal and linguistic propositions is being a creep ahahah Judge, I'm sorry, but you're a creep!

 

[Joshy92]

I can't get hard for dark stuff honestly. I need to see a look of pleasure and hear the woman's horny moans otherwise my dick stays soft.

I am a fan of some taboo stuff like a certain paring I often think about lol.

 

[Lightaces]

EDIT: ok, I think I'm finally going to make a strong mental note for the future: don't get into arguments with the guy who had to have the weirdness of incest explained to him.

That, I think, is a very good choice. Thank goodness for the ignore button!

 

[LeoAAM]

I'm talking about the present context, here.

Point is, drugging someone against their will IS NOT RAPE. For example, you can be doing that to save their lives.

But in the context of this novel, it is pretty much rape.

That's what I've said?! Rape includes specifically penetration and sexual assault. Drugging someone isn't rape! That's not irrelevant, even in the context, because if you drug and rape someone, the drugging served as preparatory act, the sexual assault did the rest. Just that…One can happen without the other, and the other way around, so they're not the same! Which was what the user I responded, stated.

 

[NeonGhosts]

*executes futile art drop to guide conversation back on track*

 

[soemantri9]

Want to ask is the game doesnt have dark path anymore? i try the game and already using the patch but doesnt work. Thx

 

[Ayhsel]

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*executes futile art drop to guide conversation back on track*

Are you sure this will accomplish what you are hoping it will accomplish?

Or it will incentivize us to keep talking shit to see more of babygirl??

 

[MagicMan753]

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Best girl!!! She makes everything better.

I hope we can eat/lick her ass, suck on them gorgeous boobs, and make sweet, sweet love when the time comes. Of course ending the night with cuddles.

 

[LeoAAM]

That analogy is fucking terrible, you are comparing same kind of act with clearly different consequences given the details associated to it. The aim assumes a high probability of death, even if both can have very similar outcomes. The distribution of probabilities is quite different.

Let me give you now a right analogy.

In one you aim the gun to a person, and press the trigger. You didn't kill the person, the bullet did, right? You just did the steps before for that.

Believe me, your judge would still consider it part of the same act, murder. Same here with the drugging, the INTENT MATTERS in the look of the judge.

Wow...No, it’s not that simple. Drugging someone, drugging and raping someone, or just raping someone are all different crimes, each with their own aggravating factors. The judge will see them as part of the same act, because they're in a way, in terms of the abuse to the victim, but each crime carries its own sentence. So yeah, even if they’re linked, the sentences and the prisons will be different. It's basic criminal law really…

Possible sentences according to my Countrie's Penal Code:
Rape alone = baseline penalty. 1 to 6 years.
Rape by drugging = aggravated rape due to incapacitation. 3 to 10 years.
Drugging alone(without any serious outcome)= crime against bodily integrity or safety. Max 3 years.

 

[The Anti]

We must argue so we get Neon to post an image of Jun kissing Isabella to distract us.. it’s our only hope.