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Is it just me, or does Gabby look very strange in those pictures?
I guess the background is making Gabby look bit different, since background looks like it's rendered differently than game is, at leaast to my eyes. But otherwise Gabby looks quite like in the game.
 

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Friends Indeed may cease to exist, and Patreon will become a platform for something new, because I'm kind of exhausted by this whole thing.
I hope removing Indeed won't cut into your funding too much if that's what you decide :( I can imagine how stressful two different versions are, though.. and keeping up with Patreon's bs.

Can you elaborate on 'something new'? Related to VNs, or just other art/writing you do etc.? Thx again for always keeping us apprised buddy :D

That art made my nutsack move by itself, btw. :love:
 
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Is it just me, or does Gabby look very strange in those pictures?
Same model as always, but hair and lighting can really change a character's appearance. To say nothing of camera angle, etc. :D

I hope removing Indeed won't cut into your funding too much if that's what you decide :( I can imagine how stressful two different versions are, though.. and keeping up with Patreon's bs.

Can you elaborate on 'something new'? Related to VNs, or just other art/writing you do etc.? Thx again for always keeping us apprised buddy :D

That art made my nutsack move by itself, btw. :love:
Well that's the kindest thing you can say to a pornographer! :D

And yeahhhh, I'm gonna talk about it a bit more in the Dev Update on Monday, but Patreon revised their content guidelines, and I'm just not really sure even Friends Indeed will pass the smell test, just due to the presence/actions of the villain. So, that's a bummer.

To elaborate on my wishy washy plans, I've been teaching my friend how to use Daz, and she's been able to turn out some cool stuff. I'd hoped to bring her into my workflow on FiN, but ultimately the game is so complex that when I thought about parceling out scenes between us, I just couldn't make it work.

Buuuuut, I was thinking that I could develop something new, which she could do the lion's share of the artwork on. Leaving me to just do the writing/coding and maybe the odd "dramatic" shot here or there. It'd be something way simpler than FiN in terms of paths, more comedy/wish fulfillment, and starring a smaller cast of girls that fit into the traditional AVN mold.

I already wrote the first script a couple months ago, buuuut that's as far as it's gotten. It'd also take place in the FiN universe.

But, that's just one idea. I could also pivot the Patreon to just doing erotic short fiction, and cap the pledges at a lower amount, more commesurate to the effort I'd be putting in there. Kind of turning it into a tip jar.

Ultimately, I'd like to hang onto the Patreon for future projects, even if doing Friends Indeed isn't feasible there.
 

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Same model as always, but hair and lighting can really change a character's appearance. To say nothing of camera angle, etc. :D



Well that's the kindest thing you can say to a pornographer! :D

And yeahhhh, I'm gonna talk about it a bit more in the Dev Update on Monday, but Patreon revised their content guidelines, and I'm just not really sure even Friends Indeed will pass the smell test, just due to the presence/actions of the villain. So, that's a bummer.

To elaborate on my wishy washy plans, I've been teaching my friend how to use Daz, and she's been able to turn out some cool stuff. I'd hoped to bring her into my workflow on FiN, but ultimately the game is so complex that when I thought about parceling out scenes between us, I just couldn't make it work.

Buuuuut, I was thinking that I could develop something new, which she could do the lion's share of the artwork on. Leaving me to just do the writing/coding and maybe the odd "dramatic" shot here or there. It'd be something way simpler than FiN in terms of paths, more comedy/wish fulfillment, and starring a smaller cast of girls that fit into the traditional AVN mold.

I already wrote the first script a couple months ago, buuuut that's as far as it's gotten. It'd also take place in the FiN universe.

But, that's just one idea. I could also pivot the Patreon to just doing erotic short fiction, and cap the pledges at a lower amount, more commesurate to the effort I'd be putting in there. Kind of turning it into a tip jar.

Ultimately, I'd like to hang onto the Patreon for future projects, even if doing Friends Indeed isn't feasible there.
Can't you just take the builds off patreon and have people who want the builds just go on discord and download it from there since you can link patreon and discord?
 

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NeonGhosts Please stick to maledom. There are plenty femdom games out there. It makes no sense plotwise to make a dominant character suddenly submissive...
Some people like to switch hit. I think that Guy would be kinda into it with the right girl. The sort of guys that like to be stepped on and led about on a leash are usually rich and powerful types who get tired of everyone bowing to them and kissing their ass and like a little escape from being in charge. As for women... well... be careful of the quiet ones.
 
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NeonGhosts Please stick to maledom. There are plenty femdom games out there. It makes no sense plotwise to make a dominant character suddenly submissive...
PLEASE, do not tell devs how to make their game, that is one of my few pet peeves on here. Overall, I don't have a problem with you on here, and our interactions have been positive. However, I do not tolerate people telling devs, especially devs I like, how to create their game, or to change their game to fit their preferences. The only time I have ever explicitly told a dev how to do their job, is when the dev was a liar who lured people to play their game with false pretenses. So I chewed them out, so that they would hopefully do better. Neon though, has been an amazing dev, and I implore and encourage Neon to stick to his vision of the game.

Hell, I'm not a fan of certain aspects of the game, notably Risa, but I would never tell him to change her. I will simply just avoid her, which the game will allow me to do.

As far as Guy being dominant, I mean in certain relationships and paths he is, but it's not really always the case. With certain LI's on certain paths he doesn't really show any sort of dominant streak. Therefore, it's not fair to insinuate that he is purely dominant by nature, he could very well be a switch as well, and it could make complete sense if written well.

Lastly, I'll just say, it's completely fine to give feedback and critiques, but just bluntly telling devs they should make their game a certain way, or to include or not include a certain kink or fetish, isn't.
 
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PLEASE, do not tell devs how to make their game, that is one of my few pet peeves on here. Overall, I don't have a problem with you on here, and our interactions have been positive. However, I do not tolerate people telling devs, especially devs I like, how to create their game, or to change their game to fit their preferences. The only time I have ever explicitly told a dev how to do their job, is when the dev was a liar who lured people to play their game with false pretenses. So I chewed them out, so that they would hopefully do better. Neon though, has been an amazing dev, and I implore and encourage Neon to stick to his vision of the game.

Hell, I'm not a fan of certain aspects of the game, notably Risa, but I would never tell him to change her. I will simply just avoid her, which the game will allow me to do.

As far as Guy being dominant, I mean in certain relationships and paths he is, but it's not really always the case. With certain LI's on certain paths he doesn't really show any sort of dominant streak. Therefore, it's not fair to insinuate that he is purely dominant by nature, he could very well be a switch as well, and it could make complete sense if written well.

Lastly, I'll just say, it's completely fine to give feedback and critiques, but just bluntly telling devs they should make their game a certain way, or to include or not include a certain kink or fetish, isn't.
It's okay bro I'll gladly take your place and be Risa's knight in shining armour.
 
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PLEASE, do not tell devs how to make their game, that is one of my few pet peeves on here. Overall, I don't have a problem with you on here, and our interactions have been positive. However, I do not tolerate people telling devs, especially devs I like, how to create their game, or to change their game to fit their preferences. The only time I have ever explicitly told a dev how to do their job, is when the dev was a liar who lured people to play their game with false pretenses. So I chewed them out, so that they would hopefully do better. Neon though, has been an amazing dev, and I implore and encourage Neon to stick to his vision of the game.

Hell, I'm not a fan of certain aspects of the game, notably Risa, but I would never tell him to change her. I will simply just avoid her, which the game will allow me to do.

As far as Guy being dominant, I mean in certain relationships and paths he is, but it's not really always the case. With certain LI's on certain paths he doesn't really show any sort of dominant streak. Therefore, it's not fair to insinuate that he is purely dominant by nature, he could very well be a switch as well, and it could make complete sense if written well.

Lastly, I'll just say, it's completely fine to give feedback and critiques, but just bluntly telling devs they should make their game a certain way, or to include or not include a certain kink or fetish, isn't.
Thank you for your feedback. I agree with you that i'm in no position to tell the dev what to do or not. Given that english is not my native language, there might be issues with my translation. From my point of view, i'm voicing an opinion in combination with a wish. I do not see any serious pressure to the dev from my one single post in this thread. Even if, i don't think that a sibgle post in a piracy forum might apply any pressure to the dev. And tbh, i think my comment is still very tsme in comparison to other requests, like people repeatedly asking for NTR in non NTR games and so on. But i'll keep your feedback in mind for the future and will evaluate if I need to change something.


Some people like to switch hit. I think that Guy would be kinda into it with the right girl. The sort of guys that like to be stepped on and led about on a leash are usually rich and powerful types who get tired of everyone bowing to them and kissing their ass and like a little escape from being in charge. As for women... well... be careful of the quiet ones.
Tbh, in about now at least 20 years never encountered real switchs. Those are kinda like unicorns. The switchs I encountered have been at best BDSM curios with a lose safeword as a sub on the one hand and not been very convincing as doms on the other hand. YMMV.

Having a switch in a AVN for the sake of variety is neither fish nor fowl in my opinion. Best to pick one and stay with it.
 

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Tbh, in about now at least 20 years never encountered real switchs. Those are kinda like unicorns. The switchs I encountered have been at best BDSM curios with a lose safeword as a sub on the one hand and not been very convincing as doms on the other hand. YMMV.
100% this.

Being a dom or a sub is a state of mind, a state of being, not something you just 'switch' on or off like a lightbulb. It just isn't done.
 

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Nah, you can tell a developer what you would like their game to be. Then whether he listens to you or not is up to him.
This is common sense, but since I see that there are people who get offended because someone tells a dev how they would like the game to be, I think it is necessary to remember it. There's no problem telling a developer what you'd like their game to be. Not a fucking problem. It is not disrespectful, nor is it something to feel offended or upset about. Another thing is to be annoying or rude. But if someone says, for example: Hey, NeonGhosts, put dwarfs in FiN. What's the problem? Why would that be an offense to the dev?
 

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I never really play male domination games, i cant even remember why i chose to play it but it was a whiie ago. Anyways this is one game i actually like, you can play as a really nice guy and i like that very option to do so, Im glad that i can have that choice if there wasnt i wouldnt be here :).

I am excited to play this again i am just waiting to get dominated by pepper she is a hot little minx, not sure it is in the game yet.
 

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Well, whether he puts femdom stuff in the game or not, it will obviously be completely avoidable. FiN stays on narrative paths for necessity, but it never ever forces sex or kinks on the player (except Nicki's first scene which is getting remedied in next-next patch). Come on guys, nothing to be concerned about :)

And anyways, if a great author like Neon can give the great gift of well-written kink to another lucky dude, good for them eh. I'm still waiting for dirty anal that'll never arrive 'cause no one else likes it. There's like 1 good game that has it and that's it. :(
 

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Tbh, in about now at least 20 years never encountered real switchs. Those are kinda like unicorns. The switchs I encountered have been at best BDSM curios with a lose safeword as a sub on the one hand and not been very convincing as doms on the other hand. YMMV.

Having a switch in a AVN for the sake of variety is neither fish nor fowl in my opinion. Best to pick one and stay with it.
That may be true dont got any real experience. But I do think having a MC that is a switch is no problem at all in fact in some cases probably is better since it allows people that care about lewd to experience more of a variety of scenes they are into depending on their chosen LI.

I personally like both sub and dom MC's. Because im probably more of a sub in real life or somewhere in the middle not because im into being submissive or anything. But I honestly don't think I could be dominate in any shape or form if I wanted to my personality just won't allow me to. Yet when it comes to a fantasy setting like porn or AVN's I prefer dom scenes because not only do I find they can be hotter but I also wish it's something I could do but my personality wont let me hurt a fly so no way I could be a dom even if I prefer it. But I also like the more kind gentle and romantic lewd scenes that go at the girls pace and sex positions they want / like cause that is me in real life ( not sure if that count as being a sub or not). So I do think it's great to have a MC that can be both for that reason as well.
 

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but my personality wont let me hurt a fly so no way I could be a dom even if I prefer it.
What are you on about Des?

The two are not mutually exclusive. Being a dominant is not about inflicting pain.

(Plus have you checked my sig...be curious onm your thoughts).
 
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What are you on about Des?

The two are not mutually exclusive. Being a dominant is not about inflicting pain.

(Plus have you checked my sig...be curious onm your thoughts).
Well isn't there different levels of it? Cause when I think of a dom I think of someone that takes control more not pain which i cant do either anyways. id be asking if they want to change positions not just do it for example.

Never played that game yet
 

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That may be true dont got any real experience. But I do think having a MC that is a switch is no problem at all in fact in some cases probably is better since it allows people that care about lewd to experience more of a variety of scenes they are into depending on their chosen LI.

I personally like both sub and dom MC's. Because im probably more of a sub in real life or somewhere in the middle not because im into being submissive or anything. But I honestly don't think I could be dominate in any shape or form if I wanted to my personality just won't allow me to. Yet when it comes to a fantasy setting like porn or AVN's I prefer dom scenes because not only do I find they can be hotter but I also wish it's something I could do but my personality wont let me hurt a fly so no way I could be a dom even if I prefer it. But I also like the more kind gentle and romantic lewd scenes that go at the girls pace and sex positions they want / like cause that is me in real life ( not sure if that count as being a sub or not). So I do think it's great to have a MC that can be both for that reason as well.
There are a lot of things that won't hurt at all. Restraining, degrading dirty talk, orgasm control/denial, bossing around...
And you can of course be kind during aftercare, or still decide you want plain vanilla today...
 
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